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Friday, February 28th Daily Discussion
LuvingLumi
Feb 28 2014, 03:12 PM
BeeBee
Feb 28 2014, 03:09 PM
Tripp
Feb 28 2014, 02:44 PM
Abby says she is done torturing him. He says he knows how difficult it is for her and she basically says bullshit. And he agrees. She says they are going their separate ways. She vows to never be involved with someone in his situation. They continue to talk about how it's over and she leaves. EJ's face shows several emotions which I am sure will be debated at length by the two fandoms.
I like that Abby talked to EJ in a calm tone of voice.Told him that he did not lie to her about loving Sami which he did not do and that she was the one who tried to make their sexual experiences into more than they actually were to make her behavior acceptable to herself.I also like that she is telling him while she still has feelings for him she is going to leave him alone and try to work on moving on with the rest of her life.She is finally seeing their relationship for what it was not what she wanted it to be to make her feel better about what she was doing.This conversation makes it extremely unlikely she will be clinging to or stalking EJ so I am happy from that angle.I am looking forward to seeing how she reacts when she believes she might be pregnant.Given that none of their sexual encounters were planned by both,I understand who sexually inexperience Abby might get caught up and not think about contraception but there really is no excuse for EJ having unprotected sex with Abby given is encounters with Sami and Nicole.Since it is not likely he is carrying around condums given his committed relationship with Sami,he should have had enough self control not to have unprotected sex with Abby.
It's the polar opposite of Sami....if he doesn't start to see it then the guy is blind.
EJ is blind,obsessed,and/or delusional.Despite everything he has done to Sami prior to her telling him she actually loves him,getting her to agree to marry him,having her and his children living with him and cheating on her with Abby after this occured,he still thinks he loves her.There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Friday, February 28th Daily Discussion
Tripp
Feb 28 2014, 02:44 PM
Abby says she is done torturing him. He says he knows how difficult it is for her and she basically says bullshit. And he agrees. She says they are going their separate ways. She vows to never be involved with someone in his situation. They continue to talk about how it's over and she leaves. EJ's face shows several emotions which I am sure will be debated at length by the two fandoms.
I like that Abby talked to EJ in a calm tone of voice.Told him that he did not lie to her about loving Sami which he did not do and that she was the one who tried to make their sexual experiences into more than they actually were to make her behavior acceptable to herself.I also like that she is telling him while she still has feelings for him she is going to leave him alone and try to work on moving on with the rest of her life.She is finally seeing their relationship for what it was not what she wanted it to be to make her feel better about what she was doing.This conversation makes it extremely unlikely she will be clinging to or stalking EJ so I am happy from that angle.I am looking forward to seeing how she reacts when she believes she might be pregnant.Given that none of their sexual encounters were planned by both,I understand who sexually inexperience Abby might get caught up and not think about contraception but there really is no excuse for EJ having unprotected sex with Abby given is encounters with Sami and Nicole.Since it is not likely he is carrying around condums given his committed relationship with Sami,he should have had enough self control not to have unprotected sex with Abby.

Friday, February 28th Daily Discussion
camera shy
Feb 28 2014, 02:30 PM
The guy JJ is taking orders from is really cute. I wish he was playing Ben.
He is way better looking than the guy playing Ben although its hard to know whether he is actually a better actor.Days seems to be better at casting minor characters than others.

Friday, February 28th Daily Discussion
kkratz57
Feb 28 2014, 12:48 PM
Jennifer and Nicole as friends. :wtf:
If she can be BFF with Kristin,I don't see why she cannot be friendly to Nicole especially since Nicole is Fetch propping now,platonic friends with Daniel,and no longer a threat to her reuniting with Daniel with Eric in the mix.

Friday, February 28th Daily Discussion
LuvingLumi
Feb 28 2014, 10:15 AM
SoapGal1
Feb 28 2014, 10:12 AM
Matt
Feb 28 2014, 08:30 AM
Well, if Philip's leg can grow back....
Don't forget Johnny's eye.
Well Johnny's eye technically didn't grow back, he has a very expensive 'glass eye' that looks real or so we are told....
I don't understand why KC/NBC allow major characters to be written into corners like Theo's autism,Phillips missing leg,Johnny's eye,Jack's organ harvesting,and the ability to have children.You would have thought they would have learned their lesson after Jack's organ donation.Terrell Ransom Jr.(see I got it right this time)is a good child actor who could do more except for the autism.They could have given all characters medical/psychological conditions that are treatable with medication and/or therapy.

SOD: Pregnant Pause
lysie
Feb 28 2014, 01:25 AM
The latest SOD has an article about EJ, Abigail, and Sami's continuing saga.

Sami comes to the Horton house to see Abigail, who is home because she thinks she has the flu. When Abigail gets sick from the smell of tuna, Sami asks if she might be pregnant.

Kate Mansi says that the first time EJ and Abigail had sex she was in a bad place emotionally and thought EJ was done with Sami. At the time, she didn't worry about the consequences. Now she's going through a "shame spiral". Abigail is mostly a very pure person, and it's difficult to have this weighing on her, especially since EJ can be dangerous. Abigail doesn't think she can confide in her mother...

Mansi says that what Abigail has been doing is wrong because EJ is engaged to Sami. Mansi says that EJ has been manipulating her and she (Mansi) believes Abigail is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. She discusses EJ's power over women and how it related to them at the cabin. She goes on to say that "Abigail is very bright.. but is listening to EJ out of fear, lust, and attraction". She says Abigail also believes there is a chance for love. Abigail would never be able to hide her secret if she were pregnant.

Get all the details in the latest SOD!
I hope Abby is pregnant and sucessfully delivers the baby especially since she might not renew in December.I would like to see Kate Mansi as a young mother dealing with the consequences of having a baby out of wedlock with EJ as well as the manner in which her family deals with it given how her mother and the rest of the family feel about the DiMeras in general and EJ in particular.Would also like to see the reactions of Stefano and Kristin as well as Chad if they recast.I find Kate Mansi to be as competent as all of the actors on the show with the material she is given and more competent than some.The show might get lucky in recasting Abby as they did in finding Kate after Ashley Benson left but they are not always that Lucky based on posts concerning Jack,Bo,Kate,Phillip,Brady,Celeste,Cameron,and Abby as well as the various Sydneys in a short period of time.While quite a few do not like the storyline for Abby,EJ,and Sami ,I believe more viewers find her a capable actress than not.
At the cabin Abby did say she saw problems between EJ and Sami.EJ was the one who insisted he and Samantha were just find and Abby did give a look of skepticism when he said it.As I previously posted,I believe Abby had romantic thoughts concerning EJ based on that any woman with a pulse would want to sleep with him and after he kisssed her,she saw her chance and took it.I do believe at the time this happened she thought it would be a one time hook up but once EJ started touching her making excuses to be with her like the storage room and her office at the hospital,she probably started to believe they could have a relationship especially after showersex at the gym.EJ showed no concern for Sami but said he would like to see her in the outfit again while tying her blouse then he apologized to her.When Abby tried the same tatics at EJ's office that she used for shower sex EJ made her realize what she was actually doing and what she would have to endure if she contiinued an affair with him and she did not like what she saw.Based on these scenes and Abby 's reactions to Chad and Cameron,I think Abby was in an emotionally vulnerable place in her life when her oppportunity to have sex with someone she romanticized arose.She knew what she was doing with EJ was wrong and said so many times.I think the Monday episode clarified in no uncertain terms that the affair was wrong and she clearly accepted that it was over based on her conversation with JJ.Abby does know that EJ can be dangerous although I don't believe she thought he would physically hurt her.Prior to EJ/Abby affair ,she was written as goody two shows so she was presented as a good if not pure person.I saw many posts wondering how Abby went from jugemental prude to sex fiend.For these reasons I agree with the second paragraph and the first sentence of the next paragraph.
If Abby now believes that EJ just wanted sex since he wasn't getting it at home and she was mistaken when she thought there was more between them,I can see how she might think EJ manipulated the situation by continuing to follow and touch her knowing she wanted him and would give in to sex whenever he wanted it.If Nicole and Sami want him after all the stuff he has done to them,EJ is written to have power over women.Based on EJ's behavior toward Sami and Nicole,both of them should hate him but they don't.Sami is all over him and agreed to marry him even though he has harmed her and members of her family as well as having lied to her about Kristin/Eric.Nicole is written as being an intelligent person who makes bad decisions in her love life and Sami is written as having a native cunning but making impulsive and often bad decisions in dealing with her problems.Based on the spoiler that Johnny tells Sami that Abby loves Rafe which is clearly not happening,it is likely that Abby does say something abpit being in love with EJ despite accepting that their affair is over.
While the reference to "Stockholm Syndrome" may be inappropriate to what viewers have seen on screen,Kate Mansi is not the first nor will she be the last person who uses a phrase or word inappropriately.I have been guilty of this quite often,its just that my errors are not magnified like hers because she is an actress with a front burner story at the moment.I am willing to cut her some slack although I understand why others will not.
I do find it interesting that Nick is an asshole who should be murdered then burn in eternal hellfire because he was verbally and emotionally abusive to Sonny,Will,and Gabi
and might become physically abusive but Abby and EJ should be shamed publically shamed in Salem as well as physically attacked,maimed,and/or killed because EJ,who has cheated on Nicole,cheated on Sami,the former adulteress,with Abby.I do think the story is special because as I have previously posted,I think it is time the adulteress who got to slap Rafe after deadbabysex with EJ,and Carrie because Carrie "emotionally cheated" with Rafe got her comeuppance and the time has thankfully arrived.Sami is a self righteous smug bitch who is getting just what she deserves and I for one could not be happier.I hope she flashes back to Rafe,Nicole,and Lucas when she finds out her precious EJ cheated on her.It will be icing on the cake if she finds out Abby is carrying EJ's baby.Happy Days are here again!

Thursday, February 27th Daily Discussion
lysie
Feb 27 2014, 03:44 PM
Well. That episode happened. Look, it wasn't great but at no point did I want to thrown anything, so there's that.
And we had the pleasure of your running commentary twice,I think,in the space of two weeks or so.All and all the show must be improving if it can hold your attention for two whole days in one month.

Thursday, February 27th Daily Discussion
lysie
Feb 27 2014, 03:31 PM
Arianna is looking at Gabi like she has lost her ever loving mind.
Little Ari gives that look to most of Salem.She has given it to Sami,Will,Sonny,Nick,Abby,and EJ sometimes accompanied by gurgling noises.

Thursday, February 27th Daily Discussion
lysie
Feb 27 2014, 03:07 PM
Sigh. Is this one of those days where Gabi is the bad guy for not revolving her entire life around Will?
Thats everday.If she decides to leave Ari with Will and Sonny she is a lazy bitch trying to palm off her responsibilities on newlyweds.If she moves out with Arianna to give Will and Sonny space to begin a new phase to their relationship,she is a self bitch trying to deprive Will and Sonny of a place in Arianna's life so that Nick can become her father.

Thursday, February 27th Daily Discussion
Matt
Feb 27 2014, 01:45 PM
Rafe is so much better as a standalone character not tied to Sami's hooha
Most characters are much better when not tied to Sami's hooha,e.g.EJ and Lucas.

Thursday, February 27th Daily Discussion
Angelsmile
Feb 27 2014, 02:15 PM
Supergirlx2
Feb 27 2014, 02:05 PM
camera shy
Feb 27 2014, 01:32 PM
I don't see how Gabi can be so comfortable with Nick after he tried to rape and blackmail her.
well, Sami's comfortable with EJ, and he raped her and blackmailed her. :shrug:
I imagine even Sami was uncomfortable around EJ for a while thereafter. I imagine she didn't immediately go handing her children over to him of her own free will or inviting him over and agreeing to dates.
Gabi did not have six more years to devolve,she had to fast track her stupidity and forgiveness.

Thursday, February 27th Daily Discussion
The Room Stops
Feb 27 2014, 01:34 PM
Matt
Feb 27 2014, 01:31 PM
dear. god. there are zippers on Marlena's shoulders. Is it 1993?
Why won't they dress her in simple, classic, chic clothing?
Based on what I see on screen,they don't have any.She would have to wear her own clothes.

Thursday, February 27th Daily Discussion
camera shy
Feb 27 2014, 01:32 PM
I don't see how Gabi can be so comfortable with Nick after he tried to rape and blackmail her.
Sami anyone? Nicole anyone?

Spoilers for the week of March 3rd
lysie
Feb 27 2014, 09:47 PM
BeeBee
Feb 27 2014, 09:42 PM
SoapGal1
Feb 27 2014, 09:27 PM
lysie
Feb 27 2014, 09:23 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep
TAKE THAT BACK!!!
Don't do it Lysie!!!Keep calling it as you see it!!
Maybe I should clarify. She's talking about me. Lol
I have totally lost my ability to read between the lines so to speak.I saw the thumbs down and thought it was six.Oh,well.I am done commenting on this set of posts.I think I am going to confine my discussion to fictional bitches,hence forth.My apologies to all.

Spoilers for the week of March 3rd
BeeBee
Feb 27 2014, 09:42 PM
SoapGal1
Feb 27 2014, 09:27 PM
lysie
Feb 27 2014, 09:23 PM
SoapGal1
Feb 27 2014, 09:21 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep
Your dear friend sounds like a bitch.
TAKE THAT BACK!!!
Don't do it Lysie!!!Keep calling it as you see it!!
I saw your two thumbs down .I was just about to edit my post to read "unless it was six".I guess I am too late.Sorry six.

Spoilers for the week of March 3rd
SoapGal1
Feb 27 2014, 09:27 PM
lysie
Feb 27 2014, 09:23 PM
SoapGal1
Feb 27 2014, 09:21 PM
six
Feb 27 2014, 09:17 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep
I stood right beside one of my dear friends & nodded in agreement while she told JS that EJ had multiple personalities & flapped like a teapot.

He wasnt offended.

I'm pretty sure there are pictures to prove it.

I was also witness to that same dear friend tell another actor, who shall remain nameless, that she Didnt like their character.
Your dear friend sounds like a bitch.
TAKE THAT BACK!!!
Don't do it Lysie!!!Keep calling it as you see it!!

Spoilers for the Week of March 10th
Halloween Family
Feb 27 2014, 03:54 PM
Tripp
Feb 27 2014, 03:51 PM
tomsawyer
Feb 27 2014, 03:35 PM
BeeBee
Feb 27 2014, 01:44 PM
The show has probably been repetitive for the last twenty years or more.Its likely more obvious because they focus on the same characters and the repetition is close in time but a lot of viewers may not have seen the various repetitions.I know I am fuzzy on a lot of the EJ/Sami/Nicole stuff prior to 2009.As someone has pointed out there are a lot of soap staples so variation on the theme happens quite often.
I for one would be interested in seeing a story where EJ knows the baby is his,the mother acknowledges the baby is his,and it is his option whether to acknowledge publicly that the baby is his and involve himself in the baby's life.
If this is what is happening I for one will give a thunderous round of applause for Tomsell.
Yeah, that's basically what happened with EJ and Nicole in 2008, so even that variation wouldn't be new.

Repetitive storylines are one thing. But repetitive with the SAME character for the FIFTH time in seven years is just lazy and boring.
Which is why should Abby be pregnant, I doubt it's going to go like the other times with Nicole or Sami. Abby is very different from them. I didn't want a pregnancy but should we have one, there is potential to this being very good. I don't deny there is also the potential that it could be bad. But I'm not going to write it off until we see it play out. It's a soap. You have unexpected pregnancies. And considering Sami had three children in only a couple of years, I don't think it's that unexpected for EJ to be fathering children with all the sex his character gets.
If both Sami and Nicole felt the need to hide their babies from EJ, I really can't see Abby being too kosher with a Dimera baby. I think she would die from the shame and embarrassment alone.
I honestly think Sami and Nicole both hid the babies to punish EJ because they were pissed with him.Didn't Sami see him with Nicole or something just as she was going to tell him about Sydney?I know for a fact that Nicole was mad about EJ sleeping with Sami during the deadbabysex.I think they wanted to punish EJ and that is the reason they tried to hide the baby.I really don't expect for Abby to go that route.I expect her to let him know the baby is his then he has to make a choice as to whether he wants to acknowledge and play a role in the baby's life.

Spoilers for the week of March 3rd
freedom
Feb 27 2014, 08:34 PM
jam6242
Feb 27 2014, 08:25 PM
I don't know why Abby would need an "out." Now EJ is another story.
Didn't Guy Wilson say that Will is going to support Abby because she has a "good heart" and point the finger at EJ and EJ alone? Yeah this pretty much shows me that Abby will get off scott free. Plus I think that new African American character is being brought on for her, so she obviously won't pay too much if she's going to be written in a new romance.

Why would the African American be for Abby's new romance? I haven't seen any hint that this is the case? Have you (or anyone else) read or seen anything from a reliable source that states the African American is a romantic interest for Abby? If so,can you post the location?

Spoilers for the week of March 3rd
Halloween Family
Feb 27 2014, 12:15 PM
tat2dmama
Feb 27 2014, 04:31 AM
for some reason the scene where E.J walks into the church in Abby is holding little Ariana seems like it was a foreshadowing scene of what's to come with Abby holding a baby and EJ coming to terms with her with a baby. Their baby ...for some reason it just seems the way to music played and the way he looked at her holding a little Ariana just seemed like he would be doing that later on down the road with her holding their child, like maybe it would take awhile for him to admit and or come to terms with the fact that he was the baby's father hitman Sammy would have broken up and he would have to come to terms with being the babies dad and him coming to terms with the fact that him and Abby to have a relationship because of their child
Wasn't the music sinister in tone?



double post

Spoilers for the week of March 3rd
Halloween Family
Feb 27 2014, 12:15 PM
tat2dmama
Feb 27 2014, 04:31 AM
for some reason the scene where E.J walks into the church in Abby is holding little Ariana seems like it was a foreshadowing scene of what's to come with Abby holding a baby and EJ coming to terms with her with a baby. Their baby ...for some reason it just seems the way to music played and the way he looked at her holding a little Ariana just seemed like he would be doing that later on down the road with her holding their child, like maybe it would take awhile for him to admit and or come to terms with the fact that he was the baby's father hitman Sammy would have broken up and he would have to come to terms with being the babies dad and him coming to terms with the fact that him and Abby to have a relationship because of their child
Wasn't the music sinister in tone?
I agree with tat2dmama.I felt exactly the same way when I viewed that scene,it was the first time I thought that Abby might be pregnant down the road.I thought the music as background to their calm voices while Abby held Ari who looked at each of them as they spoke was poignant although my view is likely colored by the fact that I really love EJ and Abby as a couple.One the reason is that Abby knows EJ has done bad things although it is not likely she knows how bad his behavior has been but she still wants him and lets him know she wants him without playing games on that particular issue.That is also one of the reasons I do not believe Abby would consider having an abortion,if she is pregnant nor do I believe she will lie about being pregnant if she is not.