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DAYS: Weekly Discussion
Jiggs
Aug 29 2008, 03:29 PM
Mason
Aug 29 2008, 03:08 PM
I was really turned off by the J&M couch sex today. And John's caveman like "Sensational!" at the end didn't help either.

I did however, LOVE that Marlena told John she didn't need him to protect her, and that she's not sure if she even wants him in her life (of course we all know how long that'll last).

Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of J&M, but as long as John's still the overblown jackass that he is right now, I want Marlena nowhere near him.
I thought the sensational thing was hilarious and the look on her face was priceless. I couldn't get mad at him for that. It was so cute. Their scenes today had it all. Great dialogue.. I so needed to hear those things John said to her! And her giving in and having sex was so human and I love his desire to protect her. Very 1986! Oh, and that couch scene was... WHOA!!! Shocked it made it past the censors! :laugh:
ITA! I loved their scenes today. The sex scene could have been a little longer, but I can't complain too much because the rest was so good. Deidre and Drake did a good job showing how confused but drawn to each other they are.

SOD: John & Marlena have sex
Thank you! You didn't disappoint lol!

SOD: John & Marlena have sex
Errol
Aug 23 2008, 06:39 PM
These scenes air this week right? I'll make it a mission to do my DAYS Previews tomorrow and include some J&M action :)
Thank You! ;)

Days John and Marlena Preview Video
maggs
Aug 23 2008, 03:51 AM
Okay...so here's the preview for this upcoming week!!! I cannot even begin to tell you how excited I am about this!!!! :applause:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgdClIbuTLA
Thanks! Looks good.

DAYS: Weekly Discussion!
hops
Aug 20 2008, 06:42 PM
I loved today's episode. I thought Deidre and Drake were great. There was a good contrast in characterization and it was understated. Marlena was so sad at times and Deidre made me feel her inner pain and struggle to stay strong. I've been wanting to see this from her and was so glad we got the chance to see a glimpse of it today. Sam was interesting and playful at times, I liked that. Loved seeing 'John' if only for a few moments. Drake's John and nuJohn were a contrast in the different sides we have in all of us. It was nice for nuJohn to get a more complete picture of who he was as a person....that he was strong and a fighter in all the good ways that count. That he doesn't need to be afraid of finding parts of his old self and embracing them. That he can let go a bit and not be afraid to love and trust. I hope this is setting up a road for John and Marlena to find their way back to each other.
Great post hops. I really felt so sad for Marlena and I guess it was because she finally did get to talk about the pain she has been going through. It was really the first time that's happened. I agree that it was a good idea for old John to be the one to tell nuJohn what a lot of us have been saying. (how he would be appalled by nuJohn's actions).

DAYS: Weekly Discussion!
Great show today. Loved every minute for the first time in a long time. Deidre and Drake did an outstanding job with both characters. I thought maybe Drake may have forgotten how to play the real John, but he proved me wrong. I miss him so much and it was so good to see him again. I hope this puts J&M story back on track.

SOW: John to Marlena: I want you back!
Thanks Jonatha. Sounds promising. I'm glad Marlena is fighting for herself, but I don't want her to give up on John. The fact that he has recognized some of old John's feelings indicates that more of him may be emerging. I really hope so.

DAYS:Spoilers & Previews
The J&M spoilers sound good to me. The Chan and Stax stuff zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Nelson Ratings
hunterforrester
Aug 11 2008, 03:27 PM
Yeah, I agree, but if i can suggest anything remotely realistic on this soap, well, you know, you have to lead the blind sometime. I'm just scraed Days may resort to more brain chips now that Stefano's back. Anyway, this four doesn't have to be a romantic grouping; it'd be cool to see them as friends. And John needs to start hanging out with people his own age!
I wouldn't mind all of them as friends, in fact, I'd love to see more of a Marlena and Anna friendship.

Nelson Ratings
hops
Aug 11 2008, 03:16 PM
I agree about Days. I've watched since Friday, and have seen Tuedsay's show (I'm Canadian). I thought all the actors were great. But please, no more triangles or quads. J&M haven't even been given a chance yet. I liked the John/Anna scenes, but saw no romantic chemistry, same with the Tony/Marlena scene on Tuesday's show, in fact, it was a little disturbing in that hospital room. I'm enjoying the suspense and how this story has played the last couple of days, I'd like to continue to enjoy it.
ITA hops. I've watched the show live Thursday and today for the first time in ages and definitely noticed improvement. And, please. no more quads, triangles etc for J&M. Why can't actors of the opposite sex have some good scenes without trying to turn them into something romantic? I do remember an attempt at "Mony" was a disaster the first time anyway.

SOW: John saves Marlena
daisysmommy
Aug 10 2008, 05:21 PM
ladyofthelake
Aug 10 2008, 12:14 PM
deefanUBS
Aug 7 2008, 05:54 PM
ladyofthelake
Aug 7 2008, 05:39 PM
Well, even though I do NOT want them together, I would say "It's a start, isn't it?"
Bringing bad ass Stefano back to seek revenge on Marlena...that's a step in the right direction.

Having John say that he doesn't want Marlena to leave him, as he gives her CPR...that's a step in the right direction.

John saying he only cares for Marlena because Stefano went after her...that's not what I would call a step in the right direction. We're 8 months into this story. It's time John admit he has feeling for her, as playing that emotionless card is gettin' just a wee bit old.
But there are people still enjoying the emotionless card, and actually, John is not emotional-less. Claire proved that.
What emotions would you say would lead him to blow his wife off at pub, ask her to dinner, then pork other chick? [Aside from a high-paid guest actress' guarantee?]

And what twisted condition would lead one to order liver smothered in assorted fruit?

Look, it is a soap, and we are dealing with laveneder shit coming out of hospital vents-- I don't wanna be too serious.

But John, I am not computing. I have watched the dude for MORE than half my life and this is the first time I found myself going, 'wha'???? ' one day. Then then next day, I was more confused and thinking, 'but didn't you say,wha????' And in the back of my mind I started thinking, 'No, I mean the empty skulls in the writers room couldn't let you say this, even before the ratings for this week were aggregated, could they? They gotta track the stuff that works and doesn't by the numbers, no?''

And then, 'wha?????????' eventually got followed by a 20+ yr historic first-- I pressed off. [More modernly, I also cancelled my season pass DVR program]. John started to make me think my own mother sounded sane by comparison. Lemme just say, that is saying sumptin'.

Honest-- I can see him being hurt, even can see the producers trying out how the porking w the high paid guest actress worked-- but I CANNOT understand his motivation or character integrity from one SCENE to the next-- much less one show or one twist to the next.

Cheers to hoping the damage is spackled and patched starting Monday.

Either that, or I have a bad feeling those sands gonna run dry f-a-s-t.
great recap! Thank you for putting all that together. :)

SOW: John saves Marlena
Thanks for typing that up Jonatha...hope it leads to John and Marlena reconnecting in some way.

DAYS:Spoilers & Previews
Thanks Angie. It sounds promising, but let's see how it plays out.

SOD: Ava's Good Bye
ArizonaDaze
Aug 4 2008, 03:53 PM
Jules, Hops and Jiggs, you all have valid points too. I, too, would like to be entertained with good stories (utilizing characters I like is a bonus).
Thanks! I know it's frustrating for all of us.

SOD: Ava's Good Bye
hops
Aug 4 2008, 03:48 PM
jules
Aug 4 2008, 03:27 PM
ArizonaDaze
Aug 4 2008, 11:57 AM
I respect all posters opinions and their right to watch for only their couple but I find it sad as an original viewer of Days that people tune out because of the direction (or lack of direction) their couple is taking. It would be nice if we were all fans of the show as a whole.
Guess what? I used to be a fan of the whole show for many years. Unfortunately, the show has declined so much in the last several years that the only thing left for me is watching my favorites. I'm not directing this at you. but I'm so tired of blaming fans or groups of fans when the show is tanking instead of focusing on improving the show with some good stories. That's what will get me to become a fan of the whole show again.
I agree jules. I'm not a general fan, but I'm still at least interested (and I used to watch the whole show too). But in the end it is the general fans that make and break the show. They are the ones that count in the ratings. I don't have a Nielsen box, I never have. Blame Ken Corday, blame NBC but please do not blame fans. Most of the stories that have aired over the past 5 years could have been okay, with just little changes here and there, it's usually the execution that leaves fans wanting. They always go to extremes and then end stories without payoffs or explanations. I know as a fan, I've never wanted that. The Steve/Kayla/Ava story is a good example. Fans wanted the fall out, they wanted it played out on screen, but did the writers listen to that? No. The actors involved were very vocal that the writers had no intention of addressing any of the fallout. In the end there were a few scenes, but it should have been just part of the story and happened months ago. So ya, the writers need to take responsibility for the mess they are in right now.
ITA, and in terms of giving stories enough time to develop, I can only comment on the recent J&M ones. I heard that the Malex story was actually extended, so I can't see where J&M fans benefited from that. Next, they were put on the BB for the summer until Sheffer came along. I was actually happy with him at first because he gave them something to do and did have a big story planned for them that was cut in February...John was put in a coma and Marlena did nothing for months. Did I make noise? Yes, asked for J&M to be given a story. Instead they got to read letters and John was killed off. Did I make noise? Yes, I asked for John to come back. He did and it was supposed to be a J&M love story, but it became the furthest thing from it that was possible. Throwing Ava in when they knew the actress was leaving no sense and served only to alienate some fans and made them tune out. And as far as pairings with others J&M have been in so many triangles or had interlopers, that I've lost count. And most of those were given plenty of time to develop.

SOD: Ava's Good Bye
ArizonaDaze
Aug 4 2008, 11:57 AM
I respect all posters opinions and their right to watch for only their couple but I find it sad as an original viewer of Days that people tune out because of the direction (or lack of direction) their couple is taking. It would be nice if we were all fans of the show as a whole.
Guess what? I used to be a fan of the whole show for many years. Unfortunately, the show has declined so much in the last several years that the only thing left for me is watching my favorites. I'm not directing this at you. but I'm so tired of blaming fans or groups of fans when the show is tanking instead of focusing on improving the show with some good stories. That's what will get me to become a fan of the whole show again.

Days not pleasing its audience
Jiggs
Aug 4 2008, 01:50 AM
PhoenixRising05
Aug 4 2008, 01:03 AM
I don't think anyone is pinning all the blame on fans or fanbases but they are a part of it.

The thing is as a result of Days changing it's storytelling style so many times in the last 20 or so years, the show now has so many different fans who want different things. That and they often pit fanbases against each other so you have fans wanting different things there too. The result is what we are seeing now. Everytime Days acts it makes one group angry and one or more groups upset so it acts to rectify their mistake with the upset group or groups and that action angers another group and then Days acts again to rectify that but angers someone else. It's gotten progressively worse over time and now you see it all the time, almost on a monthly basis. The stories change direction so much they give you whiplash. Things get dropped because Corday panics and is afraid to lose fans, which is not the answer because dropping things makes the fan feel like an idiot. The show is just a watered down mess now because of it and it will never stop until the show realizes it can't please everyone and until some fans accept the fact that someone has to lose. Not everyone can be happy.
I don't see it that way at all. It seems to me that the show is only interested in making fans angry, no matter who they are or why they watch. Let's take the return of John from the dead. The beginning of that story was pretty damn good, and it had tons of potential. Fans were praising it all over the place. Corday promised it would be a great J&M love story. Drake Hogestyn and Deidre Hall seemed excited about it also. And as the story progressed it became obvious that Dena Higley was pretty clueless about how to write the story and how to move it along. Then it completely stalled and once again she sent Marlena out of town, obviously deciding instead of writing the J&M story with John's memory loss and him being a DiMera as the conflict, to try to recreate some kind of repeat of a Kristen/John/Marlena triangle. Again, the ineptness of the writers is what drives away the viewers, not them changing anything to CATER to anyone.
Exactly! Great post.

Days not pleasing its audience
PhoenixRising05
Aug 4 2008, 01:03 AM
I don't think anyone is pinning all the blame on fans or fanbases but they are a part of it.

The thing is as a result of Days changing it's storytelling style so many times in the last 20 or so years, the show now has so many different fans who want different things. That and they often pit fanbases against each other so you have fans wanting different things there too. The result is what we are seeing now. Everytime Days acts it makes one group angry and one or more groups upset so it acts to rectify their mistake with the upset group or groups and that action angers another group and then Days acts again to rectify that but angers someone else. It's gotten progressively worse over time and now you see it all the time, almost on a monthly basis. The stories change direction so much they give you whiplash. Things get dropped because Corday panics and is afraid to lose fans, which is not the answer because dropping things makes the fan feel like an idiot. The show is just a watered down mess now because of it and it will never stop until the show realizes it can't please everyone and until some fans accept the fact that someone has to lose. Not everyone can be happy.
Couldn't disagree more with that. I think the chances they have taken with storylines are ones that were destined to fail. In fact, they often continue too long with some. IMO, Days biggest mistake right now is introducing new characters and making them the center of a front burner story. They have done it so much in the past couple of years, that I am getting whiplash from that. Recent examples are the Touch the Sky crowd, Ava, Morgan, and now Melanie. I think we need to get to know them and get invested in them so we can care about what happens to them And in the end, Days needs writers who can author good stories. They are so poorly planned and developed that it's no wonder they've failed.

A Coup Behind the Scenes at Days
erikas12
Aug 2 2008, 10:30 PM
If there is an overblown Diva has anyone stopped to think that it may not be a female? Why is it that women always get the bad rap when it comes to stuff like this? I don't think it's Deidre because as many have said I can't see her being so dang dumb to write her character in such a horrible way. What sense would that make at all? Now there have been a few male and female who's characters have recently been featured heavily and Deidre has not been one of them, but I'm sure that those who have this irrational hatred of her will find a way to spin it-even if it makes them look like idiots- to show that Deidre is the one.
I would say that is spot on! Yes, I think Deidre would write a story that goes against anything good for Marlena LOL!

A Coup Behind the Scenes at Days
Drakelicious
Aug 3 2008, 08:09 AM
Well, since we're all guessing as to who the "Diva" is, my guess is Deidre, since she did push Drake out of his dressing room in 1991 when she returned to DAYS, because she wanted a dressing room with a shower in it. Also, isn't she the only actor with special credits in the closing crawl...so she for sure has an ego.

I'm pretty sure Drake is over something that happened over 15 years ago LOL! My guess is that it's Ali (not that I care if it is her). But she is the one who has had a constant storyline for years and years. I certainly don't think that Deidre would be writing Drake's dialogue (as the story said this person was writing her costars also). If so, I guess he liked it!