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Suds Report — AMC's Eden out; Thaoo fired on Days!
hunterforrester
Jan 30 2009, 04:30 PM
This is why execs don't respect you guys. It's been known forever that D&D hate each other. ASK ANYONE. God, I hope I'm never in a life-or-death situation with you guys, because your instincts are WAY OFF! It's the worst secret, ever. You think ONE SOURCE has told me that, when a lot of my pals are Days people (they are; do you think I just got the the Dena scandal, and Thaao's firing because I'm lucky?). Seriously, people you need to grow a brain cell once in a while. D&D are ACTORS. They lie for a living, but I respect them because they never wanted to not work each other for their paycheques. They're smart. Maybe you should be, too. You all doubted the Dena story, and this is why the soap thinks you're all morons. And you're not, well, some of you are.
Isn't this poster bashing?

SOD Awards: Thomas Scott rolls eyes at Hall's win!
Drew
Jan 27 2009, 09:09 PM
well, the better two are still employed.
LOL!

Nelson Ratings — MAJOR DAYS RANT
hunterforrester
Jan 27 2009, 06:26 PM
They know who I am. Ken fired Ed Scott thanks to my Dena reporting, and boy, did I hear about it. You'd be shocked to find out WHO sent me those hijacked script when the diva re-wrote them. I'm reporting on Days in my Suds, but not my Nelson Ratings. And with Dena at the helm, I know it will never become better. Ever. Once she's fired, I'll watch again. Likewise, if you don't want to read my columns, please don't. Anyway, I have too much taste to watch this piece of garbage from a scabber.
So, there goes the bashing of the rest of us who choose to watch, even though it's not exactly A&E?
I think you'd be amazed at the actual intelligence of a lot of these folks who have commented who continue to watch and what they watch otherwise. I know several of these folk. I've had discussions with them. Why is it a lack of taste for me to enjoy (and perform, by the way) classical music, some opera, the occasional PBS or art theater, but want a mindless soap opera? Having the inside scoop with the bigwigs of soaps doesn't give anyone the carte blanche to judge the taste of anyone else, unless the rest of us have that as well.
No, you didn't come out and say we didn't have any taste, but don't you think your wording IMPLIES that if we don't agree with you, we don't have taste? After all, WE who disagree are also posters of this board.

Nelson Ratings — MAJOR DAYS RANT
Kenny
Jan 27 2009, 05:38 PM
cjknick
Jan 27 2009, 05:30 PM
What exactly is your job - are you a critic? are you a journalist? I'm confused aren't you suppose to be in the know about soaps? Establishing relationship and getting scoops from the soap world? Doesn't TV guide want you to cover all the soaps to the best of you ability?

I think that conversation is more appropriate for him to be having with his supervisor -- not you. His job and the way he does it is his business. You don't see him asking you about the details of your job and how well you do or don't do it.

He might be a soap columnist, but he's also a poster here, so please be respectful. I'd say the same thing in defense of Carolyn Mega-Bitch Hinsey if she were a member here.
Why can't he answer that? What is she saying that is so disrespectful? Maybe she's trying to get a handle on what he is supposed to do for this magazine. Never mind the rest. I needed to delete my pissed-offness of some of the attitude.

Thank goodness I actually enjoyed the show today. Stupid as I am.

Nelson Ratings — MAJOR DAYS RANT
cjknick
Jan 27 2009, 04:31 PM
Jiggs
Jan 27 2009, 04:24 PM
cjknick
Jan 27 2009, 03:52 PM
Jiggs
Jan 27 2009, 03:46 PM
cjknick
Jan 27 2009, 03:32 PM
Jiggs
Jan 27 2009, 03:20 PM
hops
Jan 27 2009, 09:16 AM
Kyrai
Jan 27 2009, 07:28 AM

It seems to me that complaining that those who leave were 'wrong' because they only watch for one couple is just as bad as telling people they are wrong for staying. Whether you watched for the whole show or one couple or one actor, it doesn't matter. You watch because it's your entertainment and it's worth it to you or not. For at least some of us, like myself, John and Marlena leaving were just the final straw. It does NOT mean I never really loved the show.
Thank you! Watching anything on Television is a selfish pursuit. There is no right way or wrong way about it. If I want to only watch the ending, that's my business, if I only want to watch commercials that's my business too and if it is a serial and there a 3 different stories going on, and I only want to watch one of them.....that's all I'm going to watch. I started watching because something attracted me, and now that attraction is gone. It's very simple.
No, apparently that's sour grapes and pettiness. :eyeroll:
Not continuing to watch a show because it no longer holds your interest is soooo understandable. It's even understandable to not wanting to watch when your favorites have left the show too.

What is perhaps petty and sour grapes is when someone suggest that if you continue to watch and enjoy the show that you somehow lack integrity - come on Really - People who watch Days from now on lack integrity????
Perhaps I'm defending Nelson Branco because I agree with his comments, but I don't see what he wrote as seriously accusing people who still want to watch the show as lacking personal integrity, etc. He was using hyperbole to make the point that this show has just gone down the crapper completely. Perhaps some don't feel that letting go of the show's icon and her leading man is any different than any other character/actor being dismissed but I happen to think it was a colossal mistake and the biggest mistake Corday has ever made (and he's made a lot), and I think that's the point Branco was making. Obviously some are taking it personally, which I don't blame them if they want to... but they shouldn't accuse those that have decided to quit watching as having sour grapes and being petty.
So I gather that you don't agree with Nelson when he suggested that people who continue to watch Days lack integrity? Like I said I really understand why people don't want to watch this show anylonger I really do - lets face it this has not been Days at it's finest. I'm just hoping for better Days! That's all and I'm not ready to give up yet - I guess I'm not at that breaking point where many of you have reached. I may get there though! Who knows! But when I do I'm not going to suggest that everyone else stop watching and I'm not going to comment on or trash a show I no longer watch. That I think lacks integrity!
Of course I don't think anyone that chooses to keep watching this show lacks integrity, and I don't think Nelson Branco thinks that either.

I also don't think it lacks integrity to bash Days if you no longer watch it. While I don't normally comment on content I didn't see with my own eyes, I believe you can read a spoiler and make enough of a judgment on it to be able to make an intelligent comment.
I guess you can ... but what's the point if you don't want to take the time to watch the show why would you care enough to seek out spoilers and keep up with the show at all? Why not just watch it - and really give and accurate opinion? I was posting on this one board and going back and forth with this one poster and then someone sent me a PM and told me that this other poster doesn't even watch the show so why bother.
I really like the points you've been making in this thread. They make a lot of good sense. At least to me.

Nelson Ratings — MAJOR DAYS RANT
Kyrai
Jan 27 2009, 01:28 PM
Lady of the Lake,

My post was directed at your comment about 'leaving over actors losing their jobs'. The way I took your comment, you suggest this is all about people leaving because of losing two actors. My point was, it is not just about that, and even if I were just upset over losing two actors, I have as much right to feel that way as you have to feel the opposite.

Your post, to me, sounded like a dig at people for leaving while complaining about the opposite. As I stated, people feel how they feel. Neither is wrong. I did not call you stupid. Far from it. People are just different. Different is not stupid to me. Different is a good thing that leads to diversity, entertaining discussion, and growth as you see different perspectives.

fyi - The line I'm referring to:
But then again, I'm not one to quit merely over actors losing their jobs and characters going off canvas. If that were the case, I wouldn't be watching squat, not even the news. When I get bored enough, I'll quit.

Then you TOTALLY misread my post and my disgruntlement over all the drama and the comments made about those who choose to still watch. In regards to the isolated line, I made that comment merely in reference to my lack of understanding WHY this whole event needs to be so melodramatic. If I watched for one couple, who knows if my attitude would be different? But, it's not. That is something I did not make clear, apparently.

I do tend to get sarcastic and, well, frustrated over what I see is overdone disparity over a TV show. Sorry, but as you have your feelings, so do I. And this column really pushed my buttons. And as the bloggers negative comments might actually generate more traffic to that TV Guide Canada article, so will the negative comments about the show and Corday. Works both ways.
Your comments are duly noted, but I do not think you will understand the full intent of my post. Tim pretty well summed up (and in a nicer way) what I meant. Tim is pretty good at that. I hope you mark his words well.

Nelson Ratings — MAJOR DAYS RANT
PhoenixRising05
Jan 27 2009, 01:23 PM
I don't think anyone is saying that people don't have the right to complain, protest, or not watch. I just think some of the things in Nelson's rant were just not needed and were a major slight at those who choose to still watch for whatever reason. Yes, he is entitled to his opinion but I think that can be expressed without insulting people.

The exit sucked. This firing was horribly handled. I think most of us sympathize and feel like fans have the right to voice their displeasure judging by the posts in this thread. I think what the issue is for some, and that includes me, is the hysterics and melodrama. There is just no need for that IMO and Nelson dabbled in that a bit with the "slashing of the wrists" comment and, as I said, the implication that people are mindless for sticking around. I saw no need for that. Yes, Days deserves all the bad publicity for this exit but there was no need to toss in shit like that.

Also, I'm sorry but declining ratings won't do shit. Not anymore. I've said earlier but it used to matter but we've seen so many soaps crash and burn in the last few years with little to no change made. Hell, Days chose to ax Hogan and co when ratings actually were going UP. As I said, there seems to be change now when there is a falling out behind the scenes. It has nothing to do with ratings anymore. I think TPTB accept the fact that the numbers are going to be what they are or close to what they are and they choose to blame a variety of reasons for that moreso then their own stupid decisions. That is a issue in and of itself but I digress. In regards to Days, Corday never seems to make a change until he has a falling out with someone. He gives someone the reigns for a bit and at the first sign of backlash or ratings decline, he gets involved in things and he situation worsens. Then, after awhile, the tension builds and the regime changes because Corday can't deal with that person anymore. So, the whole ratings thing holds no water with me. Your better off campaigning and pushing a whole lot of backlash at Days because Corday gets scared seeing backlash at a high level and that is why he always has these kneejerk reactions to bring people back, even after firing them. That is part of how the show got into this financial mess in the first place.

I don't think anyone is bashing people who choose to stop watching for whatever reason. Now I do think some of us don't understand watching a show for one character or couple or quitting watching because of one character or couple because it's just easier to watch youtube clips if that is the case and it doesn't make sense for some. Maybe that is because this show has a history of major characters/couples leaving, most of the time in horribly rushed ways. Whatever the case may be, just because some don't understand that reasoning does not mean they don't respect it. They just disagree and I'm one of those that does.
Thank you, Tim. Brilliantly done.

Nelson Ratings — MAJOR DAYS RANT
Kyrai
Jan 27 2009, 07:28 AM
ladyofthelake
Jan 27 2009, 06:30 AM
Evan
Jan 27 2009, 06:08 AM
I remember getting bashed in 2006 because I was upset about Matt Ashford and Missy Reeves leaving DAYS. Now John/Marlena fans are getting attacked. You know, we don't all have to like DAYS, and fans of actors who have been screwed over by that fuck Corday and whatever hack headwriter he is currently employing have a right to be upset!
No one is DEBATING that. The point is...................the slashing wrists comments and suggesting that people, for whatever inane reason, are stupid because they might choose to continue watching is WRONG. Melodrama. Folks can go ahead and wail and gnash their teeth. But, if I choose to continue to watch this mindless drivel because I'm tired at the end of the day after dealing with kids and their parents and administration and I WANT to watch trainwrecks of shows that I've had an affection for for years, that's my perogative. But then again, I'm not one to quit merely over actors losing their jobs and characters going off canvas. If that were the case, I wouldn't be watching squat, not even the news. When I get bored enough, I'll quit.

By the way, why all the concern about teacher's "peanut pay" now? We've been getting paid peanuts BEFORE J&M were fired and were getting paid peanuts when folks were in love with the show, while the execs were making millions. And, after finding out the parents of two students of mine are really short on income, now that the mom got laid off and the dad is down to four days a week of work....crap like this DOES seem like peanuts in comparison.

Back to my Fo'est Gump comment............................"And that's all I got to say bout DAT" (I won't quote his comment about stupidity.)

It seems to me that complaining that those who leave were 'wrong' because they only watch for one couple is just as bad as telling people they are wrong for staying. Whether you watched for the whole show or one couple or one actor, it doesn't matter. You watch because it's your entertainment and it's worth it to you or not. For at least some of us, like myself, John and Marlena leaving were just the final straw. It does NOT mean I never really loved the show.

I HAVE loved more than just J&M on the show. A lot of my favorites have gone. I was sad when they left. I was upset over things that were done to them over the years (Shane and Kayla killed me every time I saw them together). There are characters that I still like that are remaining, but they are rarely on, and the stories are so bad it's just not worth it for me to try to watch anymore. And try is the operative word.

This show is painful to me now. The J&M story was the main one that appealed to me. I hate even seeing Daniel and Chloe and I used to like Chloe, the ghoul girl. I used to like Sami but she's getting more and more infant like vs. growing up. I liked Nicole early this year when she was fun and snarky. I started liking her being 'redeemed' and a better person. Now that it's a contest over who is the lesser of two evils. I really don't care for any younger character on the show, and that's all the show seems to care about. I'm not vet biased. I like young characters. I just don't like the way these young characters are being written, and it's not worth my time when I honestly don't care who 'wins' because I don't like any of them. The characters I do like aren't on and aren't in good stories. I love Bo, but Boleste is silly to me. Why can't the writers write good stories.

People like different things. If this appeals to you, keep watching and enjoy. If it appeals to most, the show will continue to go on and maybe grow. It just doesn't to me. Even though it's over, I still care about what Days used to mean and I don't like being told I wasn't a true fan over the years just because it's no longer worth it to me. I watched before John and Marlena were even on the show, and I watched while Marlena was gone for four years.

Just because other characters had bad endings doesn't mean we didn't care then or that we don't have the right to feel sick about this one. It may 'ONLY' be a soap, but I invested one hour a weekday for over half my life on this show. When you add in YT time, it's a lot of hours for 'just a soap'. Everyone has a right to feel how they feel.

I just wish they'd rename the show myself because it is so anti-Days to me now.
You're not getting the point of my post. Not at all. It's being called stupid and the over-the-top comments about wrist slashing, yada, yada.......that just makes me feel this has gone WAY overboard. If you want to quit because of one couple, fine. Hell, comment about the lousy send-off. Buy all the ads you want. It's overboard for me, but what the heck.

But this whole mass suicide attitude is too much. The obsession is too much, at least for me. And the attitude that those who want to keep watching for whatever reason are morons or traitors or idiots or whatever? A very cheap shot. There ARE people who feel the sun will come up tomorrow. And to bash them because they feel this way is the VERY behavior that many complain about others doing to them about the opposite reaction.

Although, yeah, if I sat down and measured all the time I wasted watching TV shows that ending up going down the tubes for all my 48 years, I'd be depressed. I don't consider watching a TV show "investing". If you do, and it's a lousy investment, that's something you need to deal with with yourself. Calling it an investment, to me, makes it too serious. I cannot take my TV entertainment this seriously.

And you're right........everyone has the right to feel the way they feel. Which includes me being called stupid because I choose to continue watching. THAT'S the point of my post.

Nelson Ratings — MAJOR DAYS RANT
Pretty In Pink
Jan 27 2009, 09:06 AM
I agree with this person's opinion on Nelson's article.

http://divaofdaysofourlives.blogspot.com/
Apparently, Days isn't doing too badly if yet another Days blog has popped up. Interesting points made here.
Yeah, cjknick, the hits probably go up. I'm willing to bet that Days is still the most discussed soap on the Net, as it has been for years. This too, shall pass.
Whoops, I wasn't going to comment again. Too much good material on a boring snow day to stay away........(Must shut up.........must shut up..........)

Nelson Ratings — MAJOR DAYS RANT
Evan
Jan 27 2009, 06:08 AM
I remember getting bashed in 2006 because I was upset about Matt Ashford and Missy Reeves leaving DAYS. Now John/Marlena fans are getting attacked. You know, we don't all have to like DAYS, and fans of actors who have been screwed over by that fuck Corday and whatever hack headwriter he is currently employing have a right to be upset!
No one is DEBATING that. The point is...................the slashing wrists comments and suggesting that people, for whatever inane reason, are stupid because they might choose to continue watching is WRONG. Melodrama. Folks can go ahead and wail and gnash their teeth. But, if I choose to continue to watch this mindless drivel because I'm tired at the end of the day after dealing with kids and their parents and administration and I WANT to watch trainwrecks of shows that I've had an affection for for years, that's my perogative. But then again, I'm not one to quit merely over actors losing their jobs and characters going off canvas. If that were the case, I wouldn't be watching squat, not even the news. When I get bored enough, I'll quit.

By the way, why all the concern about teacher's "peanut pay" now? We've been getting paid peanuts BEFORE J&M were fired and were getting paid peanuts when folks were in love with the show, while the execs were making millions. And, after finding out the parents of two students of mine are really short on income, now that the mom got laid off and the dad is down to four days a week of work....crap like this DOES seem like peanuts in comparison.

Back to my Fo'est Gump comment............................"And that's all I got to say bout DAT" (I won't quote his comment about stupidity.)


Nelson Ratings — MAJOR DAYS RANT
PhoenixRising05
Jan 26 2009, 07:53 PM
I respect anyone choosing not to watch for whatever reason. I just disagreed with the slight in regards to those who do choose to still watch and I took it as a slight.

I hate what happened to J&M. It was appalling and I spoke out passionately on that topic but there is more to Days then them for me and for many others and those that choose to still watch and enjoy it shouldn't be ridiculed or made to feel like they are doing a disservice because of it. Just like those that stop watching or watch when they feel like it should not be ridiculed. I used to be hard on those that quit watching and used to make the "disloyal fan" claims but I won't do that anymore. I honestly think in those moments I was just caught up in the emotion of the topic at hand, especially with Days in cancellation danger. Now, I can look at this with a clear mind and can honestly say there are valid reasons for tuning out. They are subjective to the person. We all have our breaking points. Many have reached theirs and that is fine. I respect that, just like it should be respected that some still want to watch.

The ratings tanking really does no good for anyone. Yes, I realize there is this belief that it gets the attention of TPTB but I doubt that. I really do. It used to but not now. Ratings have been on a downturn for a long time with little changes on most soaps. In fact, we saw Corday axe Hogan and co last year just when numbers were finally going up. As far as Days goes, your there until you piss off Corday and refuse to be his "yes man." Once you anger him, your gone. That is the determining factor. The ratings play a role as they lead to Corday sticking his nose in the writing more but they aren't the sole determinant that leads to massive change. Not anymore.
Thank you, Tim. It's good you're more mellow than I am. ;)

Nelson Ratings — MAJOR DAYS RANT
esp13
Jan 26 2009, 06:56 PM
jane1978
Jan 26 2009, 06:42 PM
Ponz
Jan 26 2009, 06:11 PM
cjknick
Jan 26 2009, 05:26 PM
Jiggs
Jan 26 2009, 05:10 PM
cjknick
Jan 26 2009, 03:28 PM
Thanks for the rant Nelson can't wait to read your scoop!!!!! Even though I can't believe that they fired D&D and that they gave them the worst send off ever - I'll still probably watch for the one reason that I don't like to comment about a show I don't watch. It's the same theory that you can't complain if you don't vote! I'm not a big supporter of Boycott's either because you may think you are sending a message and you maybe sending a message but aren't you also potentially hurting innocent people in all of this including people who may need this job .... like cast members and crew members who want to keep their jobs. Writer's and Producer's come and go ... In the last three years Days has had Three HW and also interium writer's as well Day's has also had three Ex producers too... So by boycotting aren't you throwing the baby out with the bath water?
Days is entertainment... or it's suppose to be anyway. Watching a tv show is NOT a charitable choice, it's a selfish choice. It's not the viewer or ex- viewer's responsibility to keep a show like Days on the air. It is Ken Corday who will be guilty when he has to tell his employees that they no longer have a job. Him and his gang of little criminals.
I know it is entertainment - but a record amount of people lost their jobs last week - it just makes you stop and think about wanting people to keep their jobs rather then lose them in all sectors of the economy. Wishing a show to fail because of mis-management seems a bit petty when you stop and think that the show is produced and put on by many many people and those people would all lose their jobs if the show were to be cancelled. I don't want anybody to lose their jobs .... I don't like the fact that D & D lost their jobs - Complain, stop watching, write a letter but don't encourage people to boycott so that others lose their jobs.
Allowing badly run enterprises to fail is the essence of the free market system. Propping up a show with charity gives TIIC no incentive to reform their poor management practices and only delays the inevitable.
Jarlena´s final show sucked but that´s not the reason to dismiss the show. Not even Shakespeare would make this another run of "OMG, I remember! I remember everything!" garbage interesting and I really don´t like the insinuation everybody who happens to still enjoy the show is an idiot just because he is not completely shattered over Jarlena´s exit.
I have to agree with this. I don't blame people for being mad and choosing not to watch the show because of it. I thought J&M's send-off was ridiculous myself. But I find the implication that I'm stupid and lack integrity because I'm not devestated by the departure (no matter how badly written) and choose to continue to watch the show for other characters, very insulting.

The show sucks in many ways. And the ways it doesn't suck, it blows. But it's still my soap and I'll continue to watch for whatever reasons I choose. And I'm neither stupid nor lack integrity because of it.
Amen to you and Jane! :hail: I rather resent the implication that people who continue to watch are stupid. And, I refuse to go overboard about this whole deal. Enough's enough. Dammit, they're gone. LIFE GOES ON. And to judge those who continue to watch for their own personal reasons and make those comments is like someone said...(I think it was cjknick...forgive me if I'm wrong)....it's petty. It's sour grapes. There I said it, and I'll dodge things thrown at me if I have to.

The send-off stank. It's over. They're off the credits. It's a TV show. Entertainment. And as long some find entertainment in it, so be it. You think this is the only TV show where the bosses have a lack of integrity in how they handle things and people? You think the way Matt Ashford was treated or the way Joe Moscolo or Renee Jones or Thaao Penglis were treated in the past was fair? Sometimes, life just isn't fair. It happens to me. It'll happen to you. All we can do is go on. If you choose not to watch, fine. But I agree. To insist that people boycott when they might actually happen to like what they see or have reasons for watching is going overboard. It's not like this is a company that employs child labor or does inhumane tests on animals or whatever.

And THAT'S my rant.

Soap Cruise 2009
Ouch.

Suds Report — TVVGC
I've been reading the Days backstage comments with interest. Some really good speculations here! I wonder if a lot of the lackluster acting has to do with the actors just phoning it in because of the proverbial Sword of Damocles hanging over their heads. But, maybe things have settled backstage. I would love to see a Corday-less Days to find out what happens. But, they really need a topnotch director and a good pacing writing. Says this fan of Ed Scott and Sheffer (I still think Sheffer got his hands slapped a lot with some of the original ideas he wanted and wasn't allowed to do). And, I agree that it was wrong for Corday to not give Ed Scott more full rein, which leads me to wonder if Sony didn't put the screws on Corday to hire Scott in the first place. I can't say I'm enthralled with a lot of the character destruction (my beloved Nicole.........oh, well), but the storyline possibilities still intrigue me in a trainwreck sort of way, and I'm interested in seeing how this Kayla story develops and what they do with Will when he FINALLY returns. (How long have they had that casting call out, anyway?) I'm not one to believe that the whole show hinges on J&M, and in fact, would disagree that they are the most intriguing couple. Although, I didn't watch during their heyday, true. But, that popularity is really hard to measure, depending on the PR that is done. I would venture to say the Flavor of the Month depends a lot on what was promoted. I remember the reviews about the wild reaction Bo and Hope got in New Orleans years ago, but anyway. Days still has the potential with some good solid actors who just might need a REASON to be motivated again. PR, KA, MBE, SN, JM, JS, TP, LH, JKJ, AZ......all carried storylines or are carrying storylines. Sami needs to be written to what made Sami popular before. They are not writing to who Sami really is. They need to cater more to BD's humor and "trickery". Those aspects, when allowed to come out, make Lucas shine. They need to really do something good with Mia instead of making her a prop to the Nicole/Sami story. In other words, they need to take notes from OLTL about branching out characters who have come on canvas as part of someone else's story and take advantage of new treasures. (Mark Lawson, anyone?) Forget this bringing on good talent only to prop existing characters, then dumping them.

So, speculation is that TSJ is an ass? The Daytime Emmys remind me of Student Council elections! If Michael and Marcie go, I will really miss them. I think it's a mistake. They don't have outstanding storylines, but it's nice to have that nice steady existance of a couple who don't meet the average "gorgeous soap beauty" standard and instead, are there to represent us poor average schmocks and show the world that we can still have a good time, good love, and have personality and be entertaining. Yes, I know a lot of people didn't like Marcie through all the baby stuff, but I still enjoy her as a good friend and really enjoyed her during the Hope/Chloe storyline. Kathy Brier and Farah have good vibes together. Kathy and Chris Stack do, too, and Chris works well with Michael Easton, and does a great, calm doctor.

Daytime soaps facing their own tragic ending
I noticed that article and read the comments. There were some unhappy people on the topic of the demographics. But, for the most part, the reasons on why it's dying make sense. Too many choices, too many different lifestyles. BUT, I really wonder what the true numbers are, with DVRs and VCRs. Does a Nielsen box count a show that's being recorded on VCR since the TV isn't on? I kind of have an idea about the DVRs. I don't often watch my recordings the same day they're recorded. And, the comment about the Internet is true, too. Do they take the visitor count on a website into consideration? Maybe Neilsen needs to get with the 21st century.

Daytime Ratings: Week of January 5-9, 2009
Mason
Jan 17 2009, 06:20 PM
So if you just record a show on DVR, it's not automatically counted to the ratings? That's weird/dumb.
I guess because sometimes people delete shows without ever watching them. I don't know if they have a way of recording whether a show was actually on or not. Also, there is the "resume" option if a show was started, but stopped in the middle. Hey, I'm still trying to figure out how they made records! :D

Daytime Ratings: Week of January 5-9, 2009
esp13
Jan 17 2009, 04:44 PM
As I understand it, the only DVR numbers counted (in the ratings we see posted) are those where the show is watched the same day. So, if you watch the next day or on the weekend or whatever, those aren't counted in these ratings. And I know a lot of people who do that. So, I think part of the holiday bump is probably people who normally DVR but don't watch that same day who are now home and can watch live. I don't think it's the whole change (or even the majority of it) but I think it is some of it.

As for the bump itself, by my calculations Days had about 150,000 more viewers for the first full week of January than they did the first full week of December, so (at this point) I don't think we can say that none of the viewers watching during the holidays stuck around. Some possibly did. But, until we see if Days maintains that gain, it's up for debate. What I can tell you (based on tracking the ratings) is that Days has steadily gained viewers since September. It's been gradual, but it's a real trend. Throwing out the holidays, Days has gained 200,000 - 300,000 viewers since the beginning of September, and both the demos are up slightly as well. I may not understand it because I don't think the show has gotten better in that time, but it's real. Whether it lasts is always the question because you have J&M leaving, plus the spring has been a troublesome time for Days the last few years. But, that gain is there for now.
So, lazy-ass people like me who put off watching what's on our DVRs need to get our rears in gear! LOL. I tend to save a lot of my recordings for the weekend.

Daytime Ratings: Week of January 5-9, 2009
PhoenixRising05
Jan 16 2009, 03:56 PM
Ellie
Jan 16 2009, 03:18 PM
As for the rest... I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. In my mind, any way you spin it, it's a drop off. If you're saying that the new holiday viewers did stick around, then that means some 'regular' viewers left, to account for the drop. If the holiday viewers didn't stick around, I think that's also a negative. I don't think I'd use the Olympic analogy - there, many said (though I disagreed to some extent) that people were just leaving their TV's on. I understand the Olympics are an all-day event, but do people leave their TV's on 24/7 for two holiday weeks?? I'd say many of the 'holiday viewers' were actually watching the show and are potential viewers, who didn't get hooked at all.
They do leave them on if they are doing something else. As many said back in August, they may be watching the Olympics and get up to make lunch or do something else while leaving the TV on. It does happen. In fact, on this very board people say all the time how they have Days on but merely as background noise. I often wonder how many watch the news and just leave the TV on and that somehow gets counted. It does happen. People get busy and forget.

As for DVR numbers, Rick or someone else would know but I don't think they are factored in here. When Sara Bibel posted the numbers, we all spoke at length about how we wanted those to be counted and how promising they were. I don't think DVR is counted for primetime either because we only seem them posted on the net only so often. I may be wrong but I think the 'Live+ Same Day" is for Tivo's or something. I'm sure someone more knowledgeable can help us with this LOL.
I've been curious about DVR numbers, too. The last I heard, TiVo is probably counted, but TiVo isn't the only DVR around. My cable company offers DVR and I use it to record shows. I wonder if those are counted? I would think it would actually be EASIER to utilize DVR stats than the regular Neilsen way, since DVR is all computerized. I would really expect ratings to go up all the way around if those were counted. Same with SoapNet viewing, which is never counted.

February Sweeps in March in 2009
squee
Jan 11 2009, 12:48 PM
ladyofthelake
Jan 11 2009, 12:24 PM
For one thing, they ran out of money for the coupons offering $40 off the box. I wonder how often this digital thing was the final catalyst to convert people from antennea to cable or dish?
I think it's just the opposite. With the economy tanking faster every day and more and more people out of work, people are having to cut back and cable/satellite would a 'luxury' that they'd give up. That's probably why they ran out of money for the program, much more demand than was anticipated a year ago.
Good point!