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Dena Higley QUITS SUDS REPORT EXCLUSIVE
jules
Jul 31 2008, 07:57 PM
ladyofthelake
Jul 31 2008, 07:48 PM
DolceDiMera
Jul 31 2008, 01:37 PM
I guess my problem with this is that mail volume does not reflect what the majority of fans want, because the majority of fans don't write in. I know I sure dont!
EXACTLY!!! I daresay most viewers don't post on boards, either. Or buy SOD.
Plus (and yes, I'll get reamed for it, but big deal).......I'm willing to bet the SAME people post, write, and call MULTIPLE times. I know there's someone who calls every day. ;)
Yes, on boards there are people who more than one username. There are people with more than one e-mail address. (Terry, anyone?). What's to keep someone really, er, 'passionate' from writing multiple letters, using the names of relatives and their addresses?
I think, if I was a power-that-be, letters than have one tone or negative letters would go in the trash. If a viewer can't get beyond one character or couple and are negative in their tone, do they really have the show's best interest at heart? Or their own agenda? I would think people who constantly harangue the studio without even considering the fact that these things take at least a month to execute don't have the show's best interest at heart. That's just my viewpoint. But again, bringing in my life as a teacher, the parent who barrages us about their kid without listening to all sides, or without hearing what the child can do to improve, or gets all bully and defensive...that parent doesn't get very far.
Whereas (back to TV), viewers who write in starting with a compliment on what they like then making positively toned suggestions.....viewers who acknowledge other characters....viewers who know how to criticize without being mean or snarky....I'll bet their views go a lot further.
Sure,people have the right to criticize and use a nasty mean tone BUT does that necessarily make it right?
OK, off the soapbox again.
All tptb need to do is look at the ratings to see what's working and what's not working.
Oh, now THERE'S an accurate measurement. Not.
OK, ratings are measured by a percentage. Ratings do not take into consideration folks who watch SoapNet. Folks who get cable DVR instead of Tivo. Folks who videotape. Folks who don't have a Nielson box. I've seen it mentioned several times, too, about quality shows that had low ratings. There have been wonderful posts and arguments against relying on the almighty ratings.
Yeah, the sun rises and sets on ratings, but it makes absolutely no sense to do so.

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Tricky
Jul 31 2008, 07:41 PM
i dont think i am being unfair, just cause i dont watch something that upsets me, make me sad sometimes even has depressed me totally, i watch a soap for the happy factor if i dont watch cause its not giving entertainment i hope that dont make me unfair....they should write things better.
If you allow a TV show to get you depressed....well, let's just say you shouldn't. There is more to life.

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Pearly_Moon
Jul 31 2008, 07:39 PM
ladyofthelake
Jul 31 2008, 07:32 PM
If a fan doesn't even try to take all points and factors into consideration as much as possible, that fan is rather unfair.
WORD, WORD AND WORD!!!!

Lady, I hope your recupe is short and sweet. :tink:
Thanks, Pearly! I'm actually doing pretty well. The worst pain wasn't from the surgery....it was from the damn headache I got from caffeine withdrawal because I wasn't allowed to eat or drink since midnight. No coffee!!!!

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Tricky
Jul 31 2008, 07:39 PM
Dr. Chip
Jul 31 2008, 07:36 PM
And what about all the outcry from fans, message-board posts, e-mails, etc., from people who sometimes aren't even watching the show? :-)
i do that if the show is not giving me what makes me happy and excited and interested to watch, i spend that hour writing out letters/emails/phone calls...i cant just stay silent and go away or i might never achieve what i need to see on dool.
What if what you want to see doesn't mesh with the majority or the best interest of the show?

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Dr. Chip
Jul 31 2008, 07:36 PM
And what about all the outcry from fans, message-board posts, e-mails, etc., from people who sometimes aren't even watching the show? :-)
Don't even get me started on those people........................ :soapbox: :soapbox:

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OneBadKitty
Jul 31 2008, 06:52 PM
Sindacco
Jul 31 2008, 06:47 PM
ges
Jul 31 2008, 02:07 PM
I think the actress that plays Nicole is the secret actress. She is in every freaking scene and storyline.
God she is annoying. And when is Nelson going to say something. Anything? Do you think at some point he has to address the breaking story that he put out there? One way or the other I want to know what happened. If this is how Higley saved her ass from the chopping block and got away with it, I will be pissed.
No she's not. You're just saying that because you're an Ejami fan and you feel threatened by her.
That's silly. Why would anyone, Ejami fan or otherwise, feel threatened by an actress they don't know? People spend way too much time overthinking this stuff.
Actually, no. It happens quite a bit. Some folks blur the lines between reality and fiction. I don't know if it pertains to this case, but it happens, and it's often very obvious. I'm sorry, but if I read criticism about a character or actress, I put more stock in the thoughts and opinion if it's not coming from someone who is a member of an "opposing" fanbase. That's how much fanbase wars have burned me. I just consider it good old fashioned objectivity.

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Steve Frame
Jul 31 2008, 05:42 PM
This listening to the fans thing is what is the biggest thing wrong with soaps now.

Yes they do need to listen to fans to see what is working and what is not.

But in the end they need to have the brains enough to know they need to decided what is best for the show in the long run. They are now making way too many decisions by letting the fans hold the show hostage and changing things for them when they are not good for the show.

Irna Phillips listened to her fans and so did Irving Vendig and others, but they did not let them control the show.

When Irna killed off Kathy on GL in 1958, that was the first big fan outcry - millions of letters and phone calls stormed the studio in protest to bring her back or undo it somehow. Today a producer would change that but Irna and Lucy Ferri didn't. They addressed the situation that death happens in life and that it happens there too.

The same things happened when Sara Karr was killed on EON in the early 60's, and then the biggest outcry ever was when Jeff Baker was killed in a car crash on ATWT in 1962. That was termed by the newspapers - one of the first times that soap news was picked up by the mainstream press - they called it the car crash heard around the world or something to that affect.

Today the outcry would have caused those deaths to be undone - story rewritten and the like. But it didn't back then. They stood firm with the decision.

As Matt said many times fans think they know what they want and what is best for the show, but many fans have their own agenda at heart and not what is best for the show overall.
"Mr. Frame', this is excellent. Excellent!!!!

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DolceDiMera
Jul 31 2008, 01:37 PM
I guess my problem with this is that mail volume does not reflect what the majority of fans want, because the majority of fans don't write in. I know I sure dont!
EXACTLY!!! I daresay most viewers don't post on boards, either. Or buy SOD.
Plus (and yes, I'll get reamed for it, but big deal).......I'm willing to bet the SAME people post, write, and call MULTIPLE times. I know there's someone who calls every day. ;)
Yes, on boards there are people who more than one username. There are people with more than one e-mail address. (Terry, anyone?). What's to keep someone really, er, 'passionate' from writing multiple letters, using the names of relatives and their addresses?
I think, if I was a power-that-be, letters than have one tone or negative letters would go in the trash. If a viewer can't get beyond one character or couple and are negative in their tone, do they really have the show's best interest at heart? Or their own agenda? I would think people who constantly harangue the studio without even considering the fact that these things take at least a month to execute don't have the show's best interest at heart. That's just my viewpoint. But again, bringing in my life as a teacher, the parent who barrages us about their kid without listening to all sides, or without hearing what the child can do to improve, or gets all bully and defensive...that parent doesn't get very far.
Whereas (back to TV), viewers who write in starting with a compliment on what they like then making positively toned suggestions.....viewers who acknowledge other characters....viewers who know how to criticize without being mean or snarky....I'll bet their views go a lot further.
Sure,people have the right to criticize and use a nasty mean tone BUT does that necessarily make it right?
OK, off the soapbox again.

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FanODays
Jul 31 2008, 01:17 PM
Dragonish1
Jul 31 2008, 12:59 PM
Oh, I think TPTB should listen to fans. After all this is a show, its entertainment....its not a work of art by one for one...its something that is supposed to hold your interest and if the show can not do that then it is a failure.... it dies...If they want to keep a show on the air they have to keep ppl watching, and therefore they must listen to the audience.
Which fans are they supposed to listen to? The ones that want Lumi or the ones that want EJami or the ones that want neither? Do they go by volumne of mail, campaigns, etc? That is my problem with listening to the fans, who do you listen to?
THAT has been my source of frustration about this. Who do they listen to? So many people feel they are OWED. Personally, I think they should weigh a balance of things: letters that set a general mood and feel (and letters that can EXPLAIN their side instead of the vague mantras often chanted), input from respected actors (read: actors that aren't just concerned for their screentime), plus, they need a writer who actually WATCHES the end result. What a miracle it would be if the the producer (Ed) and the writer and director occasionally watched some episodes together to see the end results.................
AND, if they go to boards, they need to reach beyond NBC and Sony,both of which are heavily (and yes, sometimes unfairly) monitored. This board, SON, Television without Pity......getting a wide variety of posting input is beneficial. Personally, if I was a power, I would read posts that go into explanations and give opinions based on good old-fashioned debate skills rather than wahh-wahh, me-me posts and na-na-na-na-boo-boo posts. If a fan doesn't even try to take all points and factors into consideration as much as possible, that fan is rather unfair.
Aww, I might be slightly grumpy because I just got back from knee surgery,but shoot, what the heck. I can't do much beyond sit on my keister for a few days! :D

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Wow. He got them fast today!!

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PhoenixRising05
Jul 31 2008, 02:06 AM
I hate to go back a bit but I want to touch on this.

Just because a HW is paid to write does not mean they will get every character, family, or couple. You can watch all the clips and do as much research as you want but sometimes you still just don't get it. Just like many fans still don't get Steve and Kayla. Yes, if you were a fan of them in the 80's or just a Days fan back then, you get it (or a fair percentage does). More recent fans don't and no amount of clips, flashbacks, research, or whatever can change that. These writers are human and many often forget that. I'm sure they know who is important to the show and fans but some are just incapable and you can't just keep changing writers because every writer will have someone or some couple they just don't get it. There is no such thing as a perfect writer just like there is no such thing as a perfect person. No one knows it all and nothing can change that. Most writers will make an attempt at writing for a popular duo or character despite any difficulties they have because they know of the importance but the results often times aren't very good. Hogan's staff did that. When they took over, J&M were a mess. Both characters were destroyed by JER and many forget the wonderful stuff Hogan gave J&M in Fall 2006 (Smokey Robinson adventure, Italy and another wedding, a love scene). It was said that the story we got in Fall 2007 and winter 2008 was supposed to happen after EJ shot John but it got changed and Corday did not want J&M used. That is why the crappy dream thing was started and why they were backburnered for so long. At the end of their run, they went ahead with the idea they had wanted to initiate before and gave Marlena great stuff and then decided to make John into someone different because his character had been damaged by JER's run. Drake even confessed he hated what the character became. John and Marlena both were rejuvenated as characters and as a couple. Many fans who started disliking them began to like them again so Hogan and his team were cut just as they had things rolling. They still managed to work it all out despite all the interference and despite the fact they had a hard time grasping their characters.

Just because a writer can't write for a character or couple doesn't mean they suck. It just means they are human. I just hate the whole "I just want my couple on all the time or together or doing this or doing that or whatever" mentality. It's contributed hugely to why the show is in trouble. Too much fanbase catering because SOME fans take things to the next extreme and feel they are entitled to whatever they desire. Not everyone will always be happy. We all are different. It's impossible to please everyone and Days' problem is there is so much division among fans that one action pisses off a group who wanted something different. It's an endless cycle and someone is always getting disappointed. It doesn't matter who writes as more then half the audience will always be unhappy. I've seen it over the past decade or more. I hate that what used to be a desire by the consensus to just want a good show that entertains and provides solid, character-driven drama has turned into more or less many different groups wanting different things and SOME fans running around acting like they are entitled to things. Whoever said that Days has the most polarizing fans hit the nail right on the head. I think the only thing Days fans and soaps fans in general are entitled to is getting a show that does it's best to give as many fans as it can what they want (because it's impossible to give everyone what they want) and that entertains and provides solid drama that respects the fans' intelligence and respects the history of the show and characters. That is what fans are entitled to IMO. It's not pushing one couple or fanbase over another or dropping potential stories out of fear of fanbases and so on. It's doing what is best for the show and trying to put on a good show. It's taking risks that may or may not lead to rewards. It's taking hold of an audience and engrossing them in the world each show should create. Days and all soaps need to get back to that because that is what most fans want or what they should want. It is all this that should supercede anything else.
DAMN IT, Tim! Quit making sense! Logic hurts my head, LOL

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Ives
Jul 30 2008, 11:35 PM
JERSoapsFan
Jul 30 2008, 11:13 PM
I agree that we shouldn't blend the cokehead and diva rumors. I have no reason to believe they're the same person (especially if the diva is who I think it is!) And I think it's fun just to speculate. I'm not damning Dee (my guess, after Tuesday's RIDICULOUS episode! :lol:), and I know this may all be just a rumor. But if you watch the show, it's fun to put two and two together and try to make your best guess on the 'diva.' It's like a much more fun, REAL version of "the gloved one."
I totally get the fun in speculating or even joking about the situation. That doesn't make me think twice. It is just when I see a bunch of real venom being aimed at this actress (which is really happening on a lot of boards), based on a rumor and a potentially very non-literal comment, that I get a little uncomfortable that the line between truth and speculation is getting blurred and forgotten in the hype of the overall story/scandal.

And just a disclaimer, I am not a huge fan gurl of this actress .
I think I know what you're talking about. I'm wondering if we saw the same posts. I couldn't believe it, particularly since that one poster was a HUGE advocate of a couple that this actress was involved in. Now you'd think said actress was Beelzubub himself.
I still think now the whole thing was overblown. Just based on past history of the actress compared to the past history and behavior of Dena Higley. THERE'S the diva, right there.

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ges
Jul 30 2008, 05:44 PM
Kill off Bo and bring him back with a new fun personality that snarks at all the Brady's and throws Hope's head into a door?


that would be fun. I also agree that robojohn is a keeper. Although he hasn't been as witty as usual. Must be low on coke in the studio. Coca Cola.
Except that if Bo did that to Hope, Hope would turn around and kick him in the balls.

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Shylock
Jul 30 2008, 05:26 PM
Jiggs
Jul 30 2008, 04:41 PM
Shylock
Jul 30 2008, 03:29 PM
Jiggs
Jul 30 2008, 02:55 PM
Kenny
Jul 30 2008, 07:36 AM
Mason
Jul 29 2008, 11:55 PM
Jiggs
Jul 29 2008, 11:54 PM
I hope the same goes for Tom Casiello.
Why? What did he do that was so terrible?
I think he mentioned in an interview once that Hogan's team didn't understand J&M or it took him a while to understand them or something... and with J&M fans, that's the bottom line. You don't understand J&M and you're a terrible writer, apparently, LoL.
Only problem with your theory is, if he doesn't get J&M, and doesn't get Marlena, then it's a good bet that he doesn't get a lot of other characters and couples either. I wouldn't want to take that chance.
Not necessarily. I've always understood Bo, Hope, Steve and Kayla's appeal (as well as other couples that are off the show - like Jack & Jennifer), Sami and Lucas, etc. But I have never really understood John and Marlena's appeal to fans. Why they are so popular and whatnot. I mean, I can kinda understand Marlena being as popular as she is. I mean when she's written well, Deidre hits it on all cylinders and makes the character worth watching (eg. late last year).. but John? Well he never appealed to me until they infused some character and personality into him with NuJohn.

For all the stuff Casiello, Sheffer and the rest of that writing team are getting, no one's pointed out that they may not have gotten John and Marlena, but they did find a way to make it so they would want to write for them. And in a way that played on history (ie. Stefano's mind-warping of John) and evolved a character into something interesting (ie. milquetoast John into robotic, brutally honest and witty John) that they would want to write for. So I think they deserve a little bit of credit for trying on that end. It makes me wonder about what would've happened had the strike been averted and the direction Sheffer would have taken them in.
The difference is you are a viewer, not the head writer. I don't get all the characters or couples either, but I'm not hoping to be the head writer either. They are paying this person millions to know this stuff... if they don't get a well established character or couple then they oughtta do a little research and try to figure it out.

As for them changing John into a character they want to write for, that's fine if they choose to do that and they get some new fans for the character, but they risk alienating the fans that did love the old John. I mean, why don't they do that to all the established characters? Kill off Bo and bring him back with a new fun personality that snarks at all the Brady's and throws Hope's head into a door? Since I'm not necessarily a Bo fan, I might enjoy that! But I doubt long time Bo fans would like it. And that's the risk they take.

Of course they could have pleased all fans by bringing back this nuJohn and also keeping it a J&M story and slowly integrating new and old John together and showing the connection J&M have had no matter what his name has ever been. But they chose not to go that route, and so you have J&M fans tuning out because they don't like nuJohn and can't root for him, but you have a smaller group who finds the character entertaining but who probably aren't that invested in him in the long run.

There's nothing wrong with taking a character that is bland and trying to make something of him.
I could be wrong, but I don't think head writers make "millions".

And yeah, I'm a viewer. But how else do you start to understand a character than by watching them? I've never seen John's appeal. I mean, I understand he's a good guy with a pretty interesting history and his feuding with Stefano is pretty entertaining.. but. I just never understood why he alone appealed to anyone.

I was just saying that they took a stale character and injected new life into him without changing history or anything of the usual "change the character to fit the story" stuff that has been done with others in the past. They, at least, gave a good reason as to his change in character and personality. And I'm sure there's many interesting avenues they could go with him regaining his memories, while maintaining the entertaining qualities he got as a result of his change.

Bo doesn't need that. Nor does Steve. The history and character traits of those two are interesting and the actors play it up as they should... I mean. Well, look. John's always been a big part of the show and he has this cool history to his character that's undergone so many things.. but the performance, execution and writing of John Black never achieved the heights of cool and edgy that his history should warrant. He was a conman, assassin, mercenary used by Stefano to get what he wanted. He probably lived a thousand lives before he came to Salem and it just never came across on the screen. He came off artificial and fake, like some kinda uncle at a family reunion.. but now? He's pretty awesome. Witty as fuck, dresses sharp, and just has this blunt attitude about all things. And he has that villainous edge.
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Ellie
Jul 30 2008, 03:20 PM
ladyofthelake
Jul 30 2008, 02:59 PM
Back to the original topic of discontent....is it possible, JUST possible that Nelson (and others) got one of those false news items that the studio sometimes puts out to see who might be leaking stories? The things I think of while I do dishes.....just curious as to someone's thoughts on that.
I've heard of that happening with spoilers.
Whether or not that has happened, this is far different from spoilers. I'm not sure why the studio would ever put out a false item making their head writer and one of their actresses look this bad.
To answer your two questions:
#1. Even if said actress in question was jealous, do you honestly think Ed Scott would jeopardize his career to cater to her in that capacity? I mean, after all, you question whether a false blind rumor would go out and how it would jeopardize the reputations of all involved. Why would this be any different?
#2. How do you document the reasoning behind "Said Actress did this because she was jealous of NB's screentime?" How do you prove that?
#3. Doesn't sound more logical that said actress and Ed Scott would risk ethics and legalities to pull the show out of a quagmire because the more appropriate avenues didn't work, rather than some actress being pissed because she was jealous of someone's screen time?
#4. Why are you so ready to believe this about said actress (or at least question my doubts about it) when you jumped my ass a week or so ago when I brought over gossip that included tidbits about YOUR favorite actress, accusing me of saying this merely because I don't LIKE your favorite actress's character? (OK, I'm backing off on this one, because I'm not ready to fling any more shit, but that has to be said. That seems like a double standard to me).
#5. I threw that out there as a possibility. I'm looking at all avenues and reasons as to why things are suddenly quiet. Actually, except for NBC and Sony (to a point), other boards aren't jumping so hot and heavy on this bandwagon.
#6. Actually, I still hold to my original theory, with the added bonus of Ken Corday talking Dena into staying and that she just threw one of those damn "I'm walking! Talk me out of it so you can show me you love me!" hissies. I don't have proof of that. I just base it on the tones of her blogs...the tone that she seems to be asking for validation and attention. I also still hold to my theory that said actress and Ed Scott did this to help pull the show out of a shithole, not to give the actress more screen time. Hell, how could she have TIME to have more screentime?
#7. I also hold to the theory that the truth lies in the middle and that the word "diva" was probably not the appropriate word to use. Neither was "heartbreaking" IF my theory is true.
#8. If said actress is jealous, so be it. She's human. But I don't want to be jumped on if that speculation ever comes up about anyone else and it gets mentioned. All these actors, then, must be fair game.
#9. Damn, I keep coming up with more points! Said actress does not have a HISTORY of this type of attitude, at least not from what I've read from the past few years. I have heard of her going on boards to DEFEND her fellow actors. Case in point: a time when someone bashed Drake H. for some possible misperceived rudeness on an airplane. I dunno. It was on a board where actor bashing wasn't allowed anyway. If this wasn't said actress, it was a very good imitator who came to his defense. Until just now, I haven't heard anything about her being a bitch or rude to anyone. A few are now saying she's a bitch in person...but I've heard that about others, too. OThers have said she's as sweet as can be. Could be a matter of perception? Could be the actress was having a bad day? I don't hear these negative comments about her, as a whole. Just a few random ones that are thrown in there to supposedly back up any negative comments about her, such as this.
There, I've said my peace and counted to 10. (Or is it 5? What was it that Holly Hunter's character said in "O Brother Where Art Thou?")

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Alligato
Jul 30 2008, 03:06 PM
ladyofthelake
Jul 30 2008, 02:59 PM
Back to the original topic of discontent....is it possible, JUST possible that Nelson (and others) got one of those false news items that the studio sometimes puts out to see who might be leaking stories? The things I think of while I do dishes.....just curious as to someone's thoughts on that.
I've heard of that happening with spoilers.
Wow! 169 pages of discontent, tears, stress and speculation for nothing!???
Not that I wish for anything to explode or any drama for Days, but if this was just a false news item, I will feel like such a fool for wasting all of this time on nothing.
I wish someone would say something soon...even if it is "my mistake".

It was nice to see everyone on here listening to all the theories and being pretty decent to one another. That's a plus!
Don't get too upset. I was just throwing stuff out there. :D
The topic seemed to be getting askewed, and other wild things are going on out there on this discussion on other boards.
I heard at the chat that someone said this was a jealousy issue about NB? I find that hard to believe.
Ah, the truth...will it ever be known????
On to mundane things like folding towels.

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Back to the original topic of discontent....is it possible, JUST possible that Nelson (and others) got one of those false news items that the studio sometimes puts out to see who might be leaking stories? The things I think of while I do dishes.....just curious as to someone's thoughts on that.
I've heard of that happening with spoilers.

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Sindacco
Jul 30 2008, 05:28 AM
J&MROCKS
Jul 29 2008, 11:18 PM
Mason
Jul 29 2008, 10:34 PM
J&MROCKS
Jul 29 2008, 10:32 PM
Tammy
Jul 29 2008, 10:26 PM
OMG lmao... EVERYONE LISTEN! The remark about Deidre, Drake, PR and KA WAS NOT TRUE! Someone was using it as a example!
I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT, WHY WOULD SOMEBODY MAKE A EXAMPLE OUT OF IT AND USING THOSE 4 NAMES, SORRY I DON'T GET IT!!!
Trust me, I think it's a pretty safe bet that it's not really happening, LoL.
OK, I WILL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT AND TAMMY'S TOO!!!
I WAS HOPING IT WASN'T TRUE!!!
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Jiggs
Jul 30 2008, 01:49 AM
Personally I think the general fans of Days are made up of fanbases, and supercouple fans.
And you base this on what? Message boards? You honestly think the Average Mrs. Joe Cool who records this show just to watch to put her feet up cares about fanbases and supercouples? I'll warrant at least 70% of the folks who watch Days don't even care about message boards.
Even if this is true, what about the fanbases that aren't made up of John and Marlena fans? the Jate fanbase, small as it probably is, still exists. They're not general fans? I can't stand Marlena or old John or that couple. So, I don't warrant a mention? Yes, I like Bo and Hope and Steve and Kayla, but you know, if the writing was good, I would have survived Bo and Billie or even Steve and Billie or Steve and Ava. Oh, yeah, and if there's a couple that's not thrown together just because.
What about Broe versus Phloe versus Phorgan? Two years ago, Shimi versus Shelle? Ejami versus Lumi? Where does it stop?
IF your assumption is true, also, that means catering to these fractured little groups caused the true general fans to leave more and more. MAYBE that's the problem with the ratings (if those can be an accurate measurement.)
But, then again,the problem with ratings is it takes into account a small percentage. SoapNet folks don't count. Non-Tivo DVR recording people like me don't count in the ratings. Regular DVR and VCR people don't count.
OK, I'm getting on my tangent again. I could post a book of disagreement on this, but I'd better stop.

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Jiggs
Jul 30 2008, 01:36 AM
Kevc1980
Jul 30 2008, 12:20 AM
But Jiggs, you should read some of his blogs..The guy is very passionate about Days and about the soap genre..And he actually takes time for chat sessions...He's a really cool guy...And a talented script writer..But i do think the head writer position would probably be too much for him to take on..i just wish he hadn't have been screwed over by the writers strike for Dena Higley and her team..
I've read his blog, and listened to his radio interviews. I'm not saying he's not passionate about soaps or doesn't have some good ideas and opinions, I just don't think I would like him as the head writer of Days. He strikes me as being somewhat similar to Higley in that he's interested in telling stories that he's interested in, but nobody else is. (Thank you Erika Slezak).
How do you know that? Once again, using the term "nobody" is one that insinuates everyone thinks like you. They don't. I, for one, agree with those who feel Tom's passion is a plus. There IS more to life than Marlena!
And, for the umpteenth time, I will once again give high KUDOS to Tim (Phoenix) and his remarks about the problems with fanbases. Ken Corday's penchance for wanting to cater to all of them has caused a lot of problems. And, then I'll hear someone post "He didn't cater to MINE", and that will prove my point, because he tries to make them all happy. Thus, anything good for any character doesn't last long, because then he has to try to make the other side happy.
I cannot lambast a writer simply because because he/she doesn't cater to my favorites. I would have quit when Marlena and Don Craig broke up. (wait, I DID! LOL. But not for that reason. Real life, no VCR, and realizing soaps are fictional did. I kept up with the newspaper, just enough).
So, I would have quit when they broke up Shimi. BUT, I saw other reasons to watch. Yeah, the writing for Shelligan's Island was pretty bad, but I always managed to find something good in the show. That's part and parcel of being a general fan who realizes that I can't always get my way in life.