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Aug 31 2008, 10:35 PM
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Jawn and Nicole.

They would work. :D
Please no. If all the characters on the soap are killed off, and only John and Nicole are left, I'd rather them kill John off. I will never get the image of Nicole with Victor in the back seat of the car. I can't stand her with anyone I care about.

(Not that I want John with anyone else regardless. He and Marlena belong together forever, to me)
Ha, that's funny. I don't want them together because I think Nicole is kicking total ass, and my opinion of John is going back to what it was.....very negative when he's drooling over Marlena. I can't get that horrible Tarzan image from Friday out of my brain.
Lol, I can't get that Tarzan image out of my brain either, but probably for different reasons. I thought it was perfect 'new John' reaction to incredible happiness. He couldn't contain himself. While I don't love new John's personality (don't hate it either), I thought that was a hoot. I was lmao.

I'm glad we agree with that there should be no John/Nicole, lol.

For the record, I also don't want John drooling over Marlena. I hate how the writer's have changed Marlena into someone who cares more about John's memories than him as a person. I'd love to never hear the word disk again. I'm hoping they both change and move back to each other as distinct individuals with neither being a doormat, like they were in 86. I don't like sappy J&M, but I do love it when they love and respect each other.

I'm sorry. I thought it was just sad and it made me sad because he was right back to the John I didn't like with the Marlena I don't like....the love scenes. It was right on par with the scene at the beach where Belle caught them, and he lifted both his legs straight up in the air (and the camera was viewing from his feet angle). Just.....I don't know. So we will have to disagree. And the whole thing was just too stuck in there. And, I guess I feel sad because, as much as I dislike Marlena, I dislike the whole "she was a conquest" thing. Basically, he played her like she played him the other day. It's not working for me at all, and I cannot stomach crap like that just to get a couple together, even if I DID like them as a couple (which I don't). I'm trying to be very objective about this whole thing. And I feel, despite my bias against them for various reasons, I'm being as fair as I can be. And, if that puts me in a minority, so be it.
I'm just curious to see how Dee Hall and Roscoe Born relate together. Sometimes I feel like I can enjoy Marlena and John apart more than together. Once upon a time, I loved, loved Marlena Evans. (30+ years ago). She was my favorite character. Those scenes with Dee and Andrea made me very sentimental. Seeing a woman who is supposedly a psychiatric specialist with her own issues (DEEP) issues about relationships, stability, and being in control of her own mind is disheartening. Yes, psychiatrists have their own problems, but sometimes I feel in real life, this woman's license would have been revoked.
OK, I'm ranting. I know. But, they just don't work for me. I found the whole scene pathetic. :unsure:
I don't mind ranting. I enjoy hearing different points of view. I never expect everyone to agree, and your thoughts are always very well thought out and interesting.

Despite what John said, I didn't see it as a conquest to him. I honestly don't think he understands his own mind (or what little he has left as his conversation earlier indicated). If she were just a conquest to him, I think he'd have lied earlier when she asked if he was saying he loved her. I feel he was genuinely confused by his feelings, and struggling to understand them himself. One thing I'm sure of, he enjoyed being with her. Did he express his feelings in the best way? Not by a long shot, but that's why I loved it. I didn't get the feeling he felt anything other than sex with Ava, but he connected on a base level with Doc. I still view him as learning to feel (again as he mentioned earlier). I could be offbase, but I think a man who has a great experience with a woman might feel like John did, but 'knows' better than to act that way. The fact that John was just gleeful like a little boy made me laugh. I'm very curious to see what happens in the future because I've always felt Stefano did more than take John's memories. He short-circuited his wiring to try to control John. Just taking his memories alone wouldn't make John a pawn. (jmo - I'm more than willing to blame Stefano vs. my favorite char for all ills in soapland).

I didn't expect this scene to lead up to a magic reconciliation. I think they both were just overcome with emotions. In Marlena's case, even if you are moving on in a relationship, there are feelings there, particularly at the loss of a great love. John's turnaround and unusual display of feelings got to her when she was emotionally vulnerable. I feel that is perfectly natural. Deep down, she still loves him even if she doesn't love him as he is now. The kiss at the house was reminiscent of 86 J&M where they were the most magical to me. I always think of it as magic due to an ep where Anna told Roman(John) it was 'magic'.

I myself have not been overly happy with Marlena this summer, and my biggest complaint has been that she's been the opposite of the wonderful psychiatrist she was in 86. She was a great role model, perfect woman back then, and I do feel like she's changed. I've had many times thru the years where I feel like she was not written well, particularly when she plays Roman and John against each other (a pet peeve). But I still love her character, and given all she's gone thru with John dying and coming back different, I've been trying to give her a little slack. Even psychiatrists are people, and that's kinda a lot for anyone to take. I hope her stepping back will help her find herself again. I'd like for her and John to both end up as better people when this is done, but unfortunately can't control the writers.

Who on the show hasn't changed a lot thru the years? When I think of Kate, Vic, Tony, I honestly still have no clue who they really are because they've changed constantly over the years.

Given that you don't enjoy them as a couple, and they are the reason I got hooked on Days in 86, I don't expect us to agree. Honestly, much as I love them, there hasn't been a wonderful storyline for them (to me) since 97 and Kristen. I still watch and have scenes I love from 97 on, but those great storylines have been absent, imo, and I was hoping this one would be better than it has been (a real old-fashioned J&M angst-fest). Sadly, I don't think we will ever see writing like 86 again, not just for J&M, but Kim/Shane, Steve/Kayla, Bo/Hope. Back then, those writers were just amazing. They didn't focus on a couple, they focused on the story, and gave us meaningful wonderful details about the characters as they interacted with everyone in the cast. The couples were the natural result of great storytelling. Nothing like today.

Sorry for writing so much about a couple you don't really care for. They are very special to me, as are Bope, Payla, Tanna (when Tony is Tony).

I don't mind, because your posts are well thought out, too! You don't try to make people feel like they're stupid or wrong just because they don't agree with you. ;) Shoot, if more Jarlena fans wrote like you, I might be more tolerant of them! :D
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