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Sep 9 2008, 01:51 AM
GET EM STEPH!!
- June 14, 2007
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- Days of our Lives
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- Days of our Lives
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- Favorite Primetime Soap Opera of All Time
- Melrose Place
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- 1.) DAYS 2.) B&B 3.) GH 4.) Y&R
As I said, with the exception of the moment where she mentioned Trent asking her out, she played it all wrong. She didn't come off as strong. She came off as jelly. I wanted her to play it like she did in the scenes with Eve Plumb or even like she did in the hospital scenes with John and Roman. She seemed certain, defiant. She made up her mind and that was that. You could still tell she was hurting but she had more conviction behind her words. Today it felt hollow and that has nothing to do with the writing. It's all in Dee's projection and interpretation and it was all wrong. She played her far too weak and conflicted today when she's supposed to be strong and sure of herself, at least on the surface.
- Sep 9 2008, 01:34 AM
- Sep 9 2008, 01:15 AM
I actually felt like her acting was off more then the writing. Other then playing the hesitancy of openly telling John about Trent's invitation, I felt she was all over the place. Say what you want about the writing but an actor's job is to make some sense out of what is given to them. I love Dee but she is not one to always rise above her material. JMO.
Which scenes or moments do you think she should have done differently, and how do you think she should have played them?
Sure, this isn't how J&M have been written this year because it's now John pursuing Marlena and not Marlena pursuing John. Up until a few weeks ago, the push was on Marlena's end. That is why it's different. I don't think Marlena is necessarily out of character. She's taking control and I think, more or less, she's pushing John away because she's afraid they will hurt each other. They were in this push-pull for so long and she got hurt and so did he because she kept comparing him to the "old" John. She and others drove him to take extreme measures to define himself because of those comparisons. It makes total sense. She realized that her obsession with trying to get this John to be her John or to try to get her John back caused her to lose herself. That was the whole idea of them focusing on her putting Stefano in a coma. To show she had been pushed to do things that weren't things she would do. I think Marlena really wants to give him a chance but is just fearful of what they will do to each other if she does. That is why she is forcing the Trent issue. I think he just came along at the right time. She needed to prove to herself she can do this and try to move on and needed to prove to John she is serious but it's only on the surface because, deep down, she's hurting like hell. That is why I liked the hesitancy when she spoke about Trent possibly taking her out. It fit.
Marlena had been hoping for months that John would give her a chance and acknowledge the fact that they're married. He finally did, and once she realized he was sincere, they kissed and made love. She cried as they kissed, and her tears were a mixture of love, joy and relief that John had such deep feelings for her. So you're telling me that just a few "Salem days" after that, Marlena can completely change her mind and decide to get back at John by seeing someone else? Not only that, but ask him for a divorce? John is saying the words she's waited so long to hear, and now she decides 'too little, too late', and they should completely end their decades-long relationship?
As for the music. they did alter the Santeen thing. It doesn't have the Irish flutes anymore so I don't mind it. They actually used it during some of the flashbacks at John's funeral in October. Since he is Santeen's son, I think it's ok. The show can't go back to the old music because I believe the good stuff for the supercouples was all done by Marty Davich and he is no longer with the show. It's definitely a budget-related issue but I do like the music. It fit the scenes perfectly IMO.
Well, that's why I said that the Santeen music isn't my taste - obviously it's subjective. And lol I've hated every time that they've used it for J&M, not just this one. (I realize they've used it for them before.)
I get what your saying but are you forgetting what John did after they kissed and had sex? He celebrated, like it was a conquest. That made Marlena think it was about nothing more then him accomplishing a mission. It wasn't about what they were feeling. It wasn't romantic. It was just sex. It was almost like a young male who finds himself obsessed with dating and having sex with a hot girl. Once he does it, he wants to move on to another prize because the fun is in the chase. That is how Marlena felt. She made up her mind to try move on despite not really being sold on it yet and then he lays it on thick in her office. She gives in and, after they have sex, he make it appear like he has learned nothing. That's reasonable and I think is a valid reason for why she is doing what she is doing. She wants to prove to him she is serious about her decision, even though she still hates doing this. I really don't understand what is so bad about it because it makes perfect sense to me. I'm not a J&M fan but I like both actors and, currently, like both characters since Marlena is not all about John anymore. I see it all coming together nicely but, then again, I'm one of the few who has felt that way since the beginning. I was glad they also mentioned Ava today. That added alot to the scenes too.
As for the "decades long relationship," this is not her John so I don't think that matters. I think she's come to the point where looking at him is like looking at a picture of her John. He's there for her to see and he evokes memories for her but it's not him.