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Flying Monkey
Sep 18 2008, 07:49 PM
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Sep 17 2008, 03:34 PM
Now, on to your post, what gives characters like Steve and Kayla the right to have a frontburner story? Afterall, RJ has been on longer then both of them. As has JR. Suzanne Rogers had big story before the big 3 supercouples came along and knocked her and Doug, Julie, etc out of the limelight. People forget that the rise of Bope and the other couples pushed other characters aside and into supporting roles, which they remain in until this day. That was unfair too at the time. Days could never get away with that now. Corday tried last year and that is fine because the show needs to gradually move the youth and other characters on to the frontburner. It can't pass the torch the way it did in the 80's That would never work now.

Now, I'm not going to respond to your long post. All I will say is that I'm not against the supercouples. I love them all. I just want different stories and not the sale old junk, which I mentioned in my post above. Many fanbases want the romantic adventures and love stories and I think that has just been done way too much with the big 3 couples. Plus, they are already in love so what is the point? I also have no issue with every fanbase. There are some out there that are horrible and only out for themselves and who they like. That is who I'm speaking about as selfish. That doesn't include everyone in a fanbase or every fanbase. I'm generalizing but my post was long enough without repeating over and over again the word SOME before fans or fanbases.

We will just have to agree to disagree. I apologize if I'm being harsh. It's been a long week for me and I just see this whole issue completely differently. I probably would spend more time responding to your post in more detail but I can't right now. I don't have the energy and it's been a difficult day so I will just stop now and leave this issue at that.
Ok, here is what gives characters like Steve and Kayla and others the right to a frontburner storyline, it all comes down to popularity, which means marketability. Time served doesn't automatically give a character/actor the rights to a frontburner storyline. The fact that James Reynolds or Renee Jones or whoever have been on Days X number of years is not a guarantee or entitlement to be the lead in a storyline. This isn't little league where everybody gets a chance to play, it's a business. The fan bases for these characters just are not big enough to warrant that. That they've been the Days for so long now shows that if they were ever going to be a big drawing card, they already would have been. I know Renee Jones has been invoved in several big stories in the past, but until she got this story I didn't see many or any posts about her or the character or any campaigns to put her into a story.

Often times a character/actor's popularity will wane and they will be moved into supporting roles. I'm sure if there were an outcry, the studio flooded with letters, emails etc then the character would move back into a lead role. The fact that Bope, J&M or S&K have remained lead characters is a testament to their staying power as popular characters and who most of audience wants to see.

NBC and Langan pushed Corday to go all teens all the time back in '99 and he went there full tilt and that's what we had for a very long time. It didn't increase the ratings at all, in fact it decreased them dramatically. J&M and Bope were pushed into supporting roles for these new, more youthful characters, and were reduced to little more than propping up the scenery.

When they realized that they'd made a huge mistake they didn't hesitate to bring out their big guns again, promising all sorts of wonderful upcoming stories that never made to our screens.

Yes, you mentioned in your very long post which I responded to in kind that the supercouples had been involved in the same old tired stories ad nauseum. Saying this might sound true but once a little investigating is done it turns out to be false. In the past nine or ten years the big three haven't been involved in many storylines at all and there certainly haven't been any romantic adventures for them, check it out.

Blaming the characters or the audience for gross mismanagement and sheer lack of competent or creative writing is rather funny. It isn't that the big three are getting frontburner storylines left and right about the same old same old and everyone else is involved in these wonderful and exciting stories. The entire show is stale and in serious need of a gifted head writer. Any good writer worth their salt could come up with fresh and exciting stories for all the characters including romantic adventures concerning the big three.

The point in putting the big three in another romantic/adventure storyline is because it is what the majority of the audience wants to see, only Days has no clue how to execute that onto the screen. If only they could find a head writer who knows the golden rule of soap writing, which is you have forget who your favorites are and concentrate on the audience's favorites. Someone with a modicum of talent, who would actually do their homework on characters they aren't familiar with, then you might have a change of attitude. It isn't the supercouple that's become boring, it's the writing.

I don't think that SOME or any fanbase has that much power to dictate storylines. But I do believe that TIIC do know who is popular and who isn't. The only reason that Lexie and Abe are in this storyline at all is because they are the only couple who currently has a child young enough to do this story with and the fact that they would have to pay them a lot less than some other actors I'm sure also factored into that decision.

No worries, I didn't take you as being harsh at all and I look forward to future debates with you.
I'm going to respond to this in pieces.

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Ok, here is what gives characters like Steve and Kayla and others the right to a frontburner storyline, it all comes down to popularity, which means marketability. Time served doesn't automatically give a character/actor the rights to a frontburner storyline. The fact that James Reynolds or Renee Jones or whoever have been on Days X number of years is not a guarantee or entitlement to be the lead in a storyline. This isn't little league where everybody gets a chance to play, it's a business. The fan bases for these characters just are not big enough to warrant that. That they've been the Days for so long now shows that if they were ever going to be a big drawing card, they already would have been. I know Renee Jones has been invoved in several big stories in the past, but until she got this story I didn't see many or any posts about her or the character or any campaigns to put her into a story.


If Steve and Kayla (and keep in mind I adore them and have defended them on this very board when people suggested cutting them from the show) are so popular, how do you explain the ratings doing NOTHING when they returned? They returned during a time where ratings still responded to things like that. The Steve/Kayla fans aren't even as vocal as J&M fans or Bope fans. They kind of go with the flow. It's much like the J&J fans. The issue is most Days fans nowadays, probably most of the ones who count in the ratings, are made up of fans who began watching during JER's first reign or later. They don't know J&J or Steve and Kayla and the show made some mistakes in how their returns were done. Steve and Kayla, in particular, should've never returned during a writing transition because their story just never came together and they have been lost ever since. Let's also considering how they had big story in March and April and the ratings did nothing either. Ratings aren't exactly a measure but keep this in mind...I see more responses in magazines and online from Bope, J&M, Ejami, Lumi, Phorgan, Phloe, Chan, Chick, and even Tanna fans then I do Steve and Kayla fans.

I also think you being very unfair in your assessment by saying that no one has campaigned or there was no outcry for characters like Abe and Lexie. Look around. I can assure you there is some. There have been outcries for more story for Tony and Anna. There have been outcries for more Kate and Victor. Go read past magazines or go check out several boards. I have and so have others. The truth is out there. Are Bope and J&M more popular? Yes. That doesn't mean everyone else has to remain as props to them. You can have those coulples in big stories and other characters in big stories too. It's called BALANCE, the same thing most fans cried for last year. It's funny how when the show becomes balanced, many cry foul because airtime is being taken away from their favorites. Your right. It is a business but it's also entertainment and if many fans aren't being entertained (which they aren't if they don't see their favorites too), then that isn't good business either. Plus, your paying for these actors and actresses whether you use them or not so why not use their talents to their potential instead of letting them languish?

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Often times a character/actor's popularity will wane and they will be moved into supporting roles. I'm sure if there were an outcry, the studio flooded with letters, emails etc then the character would move back into a lead role. The fact that Bope, J&M or S&K have remained lead characters is a testament to their staying power as popular characters and who most of audience wants to see.


The popularity of Suzanne Rogers, John Clarke, Bill and Susan Hayes, and others did not wane yet they were cast aside for Bope, J&M, and Steve and Kayla. How do you explain that? Days could never get away with that now. They tried that same thing last year in early 2007 because Corday wanted to experiment and it failed. Fans in the 80's had to accept the turnover but I also think fans were more accepting of everything back then because, let me just say, the writing back then was all over the place too. The difference was that everything was fresh and new and often times fans get lost in that. I did too.

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NBC and Langan pushed Corday to go all teens all the time back in '99 and he went there full tilt and that's what we had for a very long time. It didn't increase the ratings at all, in fact it decreased them dramatically. J&M and Bope were pushed into supporting roles for these new, more youthful characters, and were reduced to little more than propping up the scenery.

When they realized that they'd made a huge mistake they didn't hesitate to bring out their big guns again, promising all sorts of wonderful upcoming stories that never made to our screens.


NBC had no role in that youth push because Days' young demos were actually good. Langan and Corday wanted it because Corday wanted to bring about his own "80's era" of young couples and their adventures but it failed and he made Langan the fall guy and himself look like the hero in the end. Lorraine Broderick quit the show after a few days for that reason. They tried to force the youth movement on her and she agreed to do it gradually but they wanted it right away so she quit. It wasn't just Bope and J&M pushed to the side. Everyone was, except J&J/Greta/Brandon. Even Sami was pushed aside for the first time ever. After that debacle, Days did reward fans. 2002 was wonderful. It was balanced and got critical acclaim. B&C provided a creative renaissance. It wasn't perfect but Bope fans certainly got what they were looking for and J&M had some intriguing stuff as well.

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Yes, you mentioned in your very long post which I responded to in kind that the supercouples had been involved in the same old tired stories ad nauseum. Saying this might sound true but once a little investigating is done it turns out to be false. In the past nine or ten years the big three haven't been involved in many storylines at all and there certainly haven't been any romantic adventures for them, check it out.


No stories?

Bo and Hope had the Princess Gina story and the aftermath in 1998-2000. They had the baby switch and it's aftermath in 2001-2002. They had the Larry Welch, kidnapping ADVENTURE story in 2002 along with Hope's post traumatic stress and the Colin murder story. Higley gave them ample story with Bo quitting the force and them becoming bounty hunters. They were involved in the SSK/Melaswen story in 2004 and then got tossed in with Billie and Patrick in another quad in 2005-2006. They had the Zack story in 2006. They had Bo getting sick and, yes, that was about Chelsea but it was also about them as it led to them getting married again. The Paul story was a story for them too and, yes, it was just as much their story as Bo's career was at stake and still is.

John and Marlena...I can see your point. After they reunited, they really got nothing of their own, which may be why your more frustrated then others. John seemed to get more then Marlena as his past was explored and he was involved with the Gina story. J&M did have the story of John sleeping with Gina and her issues with Brady. That was very much their story. The SSK story was their story. The Alex North story was their story. Now they have this recent story with John dying and coming back so they have had less then Bope but they had story.

True, not many romantic adventures but, seriously, how many can do you? Are you willing to settle for rehash after rehash? I mean, even a writer at their best can only do so much. You can't just keep doing the same things. The audience does not want to see that. I'm with you on romance but the three main couples have been through too many romantic adventures and the love stories just make no sense, except in regards to J&M since John is different. Bope and Steve and Kayla already love each other so what's the point? I'm not saying don't do romantic adventures at all but that should not be all these couples do. It's repetitive and THAT is lazy writing. Always settling for the same thing over and over. People complain about Higley making both Sami and Nicole pregnant, saying it's been there done that. Isn't the constant romantic adventures the same way? It's ok to do one here and there but constantly is not good for the show. It won't help the ratings and it's already beyond old. Unless you do it with the newer couples, it's repetitive and can't be done too much.

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Blaming the characters or the audience for gross mismanagement and sheer lack of competent or creative writing is rather funny. It isn't that the big three are getting frontburner storylines left and right about the same old same old and everyone else is involved in these wonderful and exciting stories. The entire show is stale and in serious need of a gifted head writer. Any good writer worth their salt could come up with fresh and exciting stories for all the characters including romantic adventures concerning the big three.


Your right. The show is stale and it will get even staler if it continues to push for been there, done that. Seriously, how can anyone advocate for the same old thing we've saw before? These characters need to progress and need to grow. How can they if they are in the same old stories they have been in before? The idea is to face new challenges. Not the same ones. I mean, I long for my younger days and the old days too but I'm not getting them back. The show needs to evolve and it and the characters can't evolve if it continues to rely on the same old tired stories that have been done too many times already. It would be like watching Youtube clips and that is not good for a show.

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The point in putting the big three in another romantic/adventure storyline is because it is what the majority of the audience wants to see, only Days has no clue how to execute that onto the screen. If only they could find a head writer who knows the golden rule of soap writing, which is you have forget who your favorites are and concentrate on the audience's favorites. Someone with a modicum of talent, who would actually do their homework on characters they aren't familiar with, then you might have a change of attitude. It isn't the supercouple that's become boring, it's the writing.


My take is the majority just want their faves onscreen and in good stories in which they are true to character. My feeling is that most want their characters to evolve and change. My feeling is fans want romance and character-driven drama and all the other things soaps have always been about. That is what many here and on other boards and in the mags have said. Isn't it much more enjoyable to see your faves doing something fresh? Something new and different? You can always look back at the past on Youtube. You have to move forward and as long as the story is good and true to character, does it matter?

I don't think it makes a difference who Days gets to write. They will be screwed no matter what because what is good for one group of fans isn't good for another. You can't please everyone and everyone wants different things. I think what also gets lost in this is that writers are human so they all have biases. If you took over the writing reigns, wouldn't you favor your faves over others? Fans would probably complain about that when they saw your work. There is always going to be something fans don't like. It happened in the 80's and 90's too. The difference is that the show has burned fans so much they now can't even tolerate that much.

I never said the supercouple became boring. I said the same old stories they have become involved in are boring. Time for something new. That is more intriguing to the audience then repeating the same things all the time only with maybe a different spin on it.

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I don't think that SOME or any fanbase has that much power to dictate storylines. But I do believe that TIIC do know who is popular and who isn't. The only reason that Lexie and Abe are in this storyline at all is because they are the only couple who currently has a child young enough to do this story with and the fact that they would have to pay them a lot less than some other actors I'm sure also factored into that decision.


Really? Didn't fanbases push Days to change the father of Hope's baby to Bo? How about how fanbases pushing forced Days to bring the captives back from the castle earlier in 2005? How about how many stories that angered fanbases in the past few years has come to an abrupt end and been swept under the rug? I hate that too because they should end the story quickly but also take some things they can maybe use to further other story. Trust me...fanbases influence the show greatly. They do listen. They just choose when they act on it. My issue is quite simple that fans are very important. They should be listened to and their issues should be addressed. The show should strive to please as many fans as possible and try to be as balanced and equal as possible. However, fans should NEVER hold a show hostage like what has happened with Days in the past few years. I know many will deny that happens but it does. I know it does. It's not an opinion. It's a fact. I'm not saying every fan or fanbase does this but it does happen.

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No worries, I didn't take you as being harsh at all and I look forward to future debates with you.


Good. I was worried about that. Same here.

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