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Nov 6 2008, 03:07 PM
Nov 6 2008, 02:38 PM
Nov 6 2008, 01:35 AM
I do agree with that. It does make him pathetic but when has Nick been a strong character? He never was to me. The way he chased after Chelsea in 2007 at times was pathetic. The way he got blackmailed by Kate and Willow (he did turn the tables on Kate though), got used by Jeremy, stood in the background during the entire rape story, etc. I mean, it's not like this guy was Bo Brady running all over Salem saving lives, letting people have it, and so on. I think he's in character for the most part and think between Chelsea dumping him and everything else...he was just in a vulnerable state.
Nick was a very strong character. Think about it. He was the one person that really turned Chelsea around, made her see what a selfish and bratty bitch she was being towards everyone. When no one else could get through to Chelsea, Nick was able to. That's a strong person there. He also did the same for Willow. She started regretting some of the things she did because Nick told her how it was and didn't take her shit at first. Granted, he got mixed up with a lot of bad things concerning Willow, and Chelsea, but he wasn't opposed to telling them how it was.

As for the Jeremy stuff, I tend to ignore that because none of the characters were acting in character during the Touch the Sky storyline, not Chelsea, not Stephanie, not Max, and not Nick. And in regards to the rape storyline, Nick wanted to be there for Chelsea. He tried to be there for Chelsea, but she kept it the truth from him for most of the part. But he was there right by her side before Ford died, sneaking into Ford's room with Chelsea and taking all of those pictures of Ford's dorm room in hopes that it would make him look guilty of the rapes. He was there and was willing to do it all.

He's never came off as pathetic to me until now with Melanie. The way he needs Melanie. Give me a break! Had this been Chelsea in this position, okay, I could understand his reasoning and I could understand his actions because he needs to be with her. But Melanie? That's pathetic. He's known her for only a couple months and it's ridiculous to think that he's this obsessed with her.
Good points, Drew. For my own opinion, I admit Nick has had some weak moments. It took awhile for him to stand up to Willow. It's one thing for him to help someone else or go out of his way to help someone else, but Willow moving into his bedroom and he sleeping on teh board even though Maggie would hit the roof was stupid.

That said, Nick's been pretty strong lately. He's not been on much but he's been supportive of Chelsea. I loved how he and she snuck into Ford's room. Granted Nick didn't want to go but IMO that wasn't weak but more finetuned to knowing how to "handle" Chelsea (since the show wants to use that word). He knew if he refused, she'd go anyway, he might as well go to. What I loved is a quick moment where Chelsea wanted to rush out of the closet and Nick held her back, showing how their differences could make them a great couple and then later he did get in Ford's face when he threatened Chelsea. Once Nick found out about Fordgate, he was strong and did not back down insisting Chelsea come forward but he didn't betray her at the same time. He knew it was something she had to do, and once she did it, he stood behind her. He was strong in confronting Mad when he was monkeying around his work. He was strong with Dan when they dared to allow Nick an episode to see his girlfriend mooning over the hot doctor who had no business hanging out with her. He was strong with Melanie initially in France.

Right now I'm worried because Blake is making good sense explaining Nick's problems. I think Nick's obsession is being driven by something else which I'm hoping is where the mental illness story is going. Hopefully the show will explore it and not just let SOW/SOD articles tell us the character's motivation. Once this whole thing is made clear to Nick's family and friends, they are gonna want to kow what happened to him to make him do this and that should be what the shrink is for. The show is lucky in it that it can use most of what has happened to Nick for this year as leverage to setup his mental breakdown which was pushed into a breaking point by the drugs he was assigned. Nick has always wanted to be in a happy relationship with someone who loves and depends on him, and it's clear he's not in reality right now. But again, all of this must be accurately explained by the writers so that he can recover and be back to the original Nick. Finding out if they can pull off the explanations is the part that remains to be unseen.
You know, your take on them sneaking into Ford's room is interesting. I guess I can see how that can be looked at in the terms you are describing.

I think your right on about the mental illness aspect. His fantasies play into that. This isn't Nick. He isn't in his right mind so even if you believe he's a strong character being made pathetic, when you consider this really isn't him, it kind of works against that. It's just like the arguments being made about John never doing half the stuff he did this year to Marlena. Well, it's not technically John so I don;t understand how that assertion works.

If this were Nick in his right mind, then I can see it but, he's not. He's delusional and in his mind thinks he has to have Melanie. He essentially has a one track mind right now and that is not Nick at all.
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