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Dec 22 2008, 05:25 PM
^I get what your saying in this thread and the Sandra thread, Kyrai,(basically, this post is a response to your comments here and in this thread so I can save on typing LOL) but here is the problem.

Days has alot of division amongst fans. You have fans of different types of storytelling (campy, character-driven, plot-driven, etc.) and then you have fans with different likes and dislikes in terms of who they want to watch and what stories they like. Now, let's say the show opts to go with the majority of couple fans who want romance and romantic adventures. Then you anger people that want other stories and find those stories boring. Let's say they go with the whole "watch the couple fall in love all over again) story (like J&M was set up to be). Well, J&M fans and fans of romance may eat that up but others may not because they know the outcome. There is no suspense in that.

Now, let's say the show decides to go with more individual character-centered stories, some of which you suggested. Marlena's profession, John's career, etc. Well, you have some out that find social issue stories, business stories, etc boring. Then you have some couple fans who will complain their couple doesn't have enough romance coming their way so there are still angry fans. Happily married couples are very hard to write for because people do find them boring, at least outside of fans of that couple.

My point is your angering someone no matter which way you go in regards to the vets and storytelling. That is why I think the show feels it has to do what it's doing. They've done that before in the 80's and 90's. They felt they needed to inject new life into the show and now they have to again. I don't think they wouldn't gotten rid of J&M if not for the 40% cut but I do think we would've seen this same sort of transition. The show can't go with the same stories involving the same people forever, especially when you have an audience full of division and of people who want different things. The show is following a pattern it has followed before and I will never understand why it took them this long to go with it. It should've been done sooner but it's needed. Fans will be lost but it's the risk you have to take IMO. They lost fans before and banked on new fans and it worked. Doesn't mean it will this time but what do they have to lose? At the very least, they will have characters being prominently featured that people can watch in stories that have suspense to them, unless you don't care about the characters and then, well, you don't care LOL.

I see what your saying and I'm with you on alot of that but alot factors into this and sometimes you have to do something you don't necessarily want to do for the better of the show in the long run, even if it alienates alot of fans.
I feel like you misunderstood my point. I wasn't saying make all stories one way and centered on the vets. I was suggesting balance. I think too much of the same kind of story whichever way you go can become boring. I believe using the framework of the seasoned characters helps create a way to relate to the newer characters vs. having to have everyone in some kind of triangle. Yes, I would like to see characters as individuals, but most definitely not for all vet characters to be showcased. I meant use more of what we have for story.

For example, imagine the writers wanting to bring in a new young doctor. He starts by having scenes with Kayla. She (and we) get to know him as he interacts with her at the hospital and runs into him at the pub, etc. We get curious about him. Kayla may want to play matchmaker, Steve resist. Steve could become friends with him, and we could see some guy stuff. Playing pool, fishing (I'd love to see all the men on a weekend fishing trip, Bo, Steve, Ej, Phillip, maybe even Vic - I doubt Stefano would go, lol), etc. Basically, we get to know and like (or dislike) him first, establish him, then we get to know more and more about him as he meets other young characters, and we see who we like him with. The same could be true for Bo and Hope and a new recruit at the station. If you're saying most people don't like to take the time to get to know characters or don't want younger characters interacting with the older ones or anything but a couple or triangle, then I concede your point.

Personally, I like relationships vs. couple, but it's fine if most don't nowadays. If everyone wants to get rid of the vets and focus on the younger kids, so be it. I just think this year was a particularly bad year for storytelling on the show in general to be throwing away vets solely based on story. They can be interesting and well used overall vs. everything geared to seeing how fast we can hook people up. I think even young people like the older characters in addition to young characters, and vice versa. Maybe that is just me, and the people I know, and we may be a tiny minority, but we may not be. Because you prefer it one way, and I another doesn't mean that either of us are right or wrong. We're just different. We haven't seen relationship storytelling in a while, so it's hard to tell if people would like it or hate it, imo.

I like young people. I just don't find much appealing about these particular young people as portrayed this year. By the same token, I don't automatically like any vet story. I'm not overly fond of the Bo story, atm, even though I love Bo. I'm willing to wait and see though, provided it ends by the 23rd, lol.

I've become acclimated to J&M leaving, but when they are blamed for poor storytelling, and then people start saying all the vets should go, then I have to agree to disagree.

Btw I like the new promo alot better too.
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