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Oct 8 2012, 05:34 PM
- January 16, 2009
ON the EJ side I'll go with (and of course this is my take on how I feel the writers wanted her to play it probably rather than the way the writers wrote it) but Nicole asking EJ to leave with her was more a less a test to see if he would in fact leave (or consider it). Of course EJ would not leave his kids, and moving in across the hall from Sami he had to know what that would look like to Nicole. So EJ gets a big fat Stupidity award for that genuis move. Can't say that if I were Nicole I would have taken him back then either.
- Oct 8 2012, 05:20 PM
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- Oct 8 2012, 03:37 PM
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I consider myself a Nicole fan but I despise most of what she's done since the first of the year. In fact, it's my opinion they've nearly ruined her with this craptastic storyline. I do think seeing her lose another baby, and particularly so close to her due date, is heartwrenching - but I don't have a lot of sympathy for the position she's put herself in based on her petty need for revenge and her selfish choices. Throughout the pregnancy she's done very little to show she's putting the well being of her child first and foremost and the further the story has gone along the more unhinged and unlikable she's become.
EJ screwed Sami after thinking he'd lost Nicole - and he didn't tell her about it when they reunited for fear of her reaction and the risk that she'd leave him again. So freaking what. In no way did that justify her decision to lie about the paternity of their child and go the extremes she has to cut him from his life. Not only did Nicole risk her presumably high risk pregnancy by piling immeasurable stress on it with her scheming and manipulations - she later began a sexual relationship well into the 2nd trimester of the pregnancy. Once she was told sex was off limits she then set about plotting an entirely new level of scheming to not only keep the secret of the paternity hidden but to also manipulate Jennifer and Daniel to keep them apart. I'm no Dannifer fan and find both of their behavior to be unrootable, as well - but Nicole HAS been manipulating nearly everyone around her for months.
If it weren't for the talent of Ari Zucker I doubt there'd be any saving this character at this point - at least not for me.
Ironically though EJ did exactly as Nicole predicted ran for Sami's twat as does every man not related to her, can't say I would have done the things she's done, but keeping my child away from EJ and especially Sami would be top of the list. I think Nicole knows that EJ will try and give yet another child to Sami, before allowing her to raise the child. EJ has shown himself to be stupid where Sami's concerned much like all of Sami's conquest's.
The Dan sex was purely gross - showing the writers disrespect for the character, the Dannifer mess well is just that a mess. Nicole didn't manipulate Daniel or Raffe, Rafe did his part for selfish reason's to get back at EJ. Daniel well honestly not sure why he did it, he didn't like Nicole and he could have blown her out the water. Nicole DIDNOT manipulate him into helping switch DNA results that was HIS choice. As for Jen she need to climb down off her pedestal and grieve for her husband and get the hell out of Dan's business. So the only person Nicole has truly manipulated is EJ, and Sami with the picture of her and Rafe but in the scheme of things Sami deserved that and more.
EJ didn't run straight back toward Sami after finding out Nicole was pregnant. He spent months begging Nicole for another chance and even told her he'd raise the baby if it was Rafe's - he just wanted her back. Nicole couldn't see past her own petty need for revenge or her jealousy. Asking EJ to leave Salem (and his kids) to prove his love to her was proof of that. There was no indication ever that EJ would have wanted Sami to help him raise the child he shared with Nicole - in fact, EJ and Sami never got close enough for that to even be a consideration.
I agree that Nicole did not manipulate Rafe into claiming paternity and hasn't manipulated him the entire way through. But when it came time to switch the test results Nicole turned on the tears and the pleading with Daniel - and my take on part of their initial sexcapades was that Nicole was trying to lure him in to keep him on her side. I remember there was a big deal made by people here on the board when she gave a sneaky little smile while hugging him after finding out that he allowed the switch to go through - there were many Nicole fans hoping it meant she was playing him rather than actually wanted him. That was the way it seemed to start - and it was actually more palatable than watching her become the pathetic, needy interloper into the Dannifer relationship.
On the Daniel front, I guess I just don't see this as Nicole and with most of what's going on I'll just chalk it up to like Bobby from Dallas. Someone will wake up in a shower stall and say "Oh thank god the last five years have been a very bad nightmare". Because personally as a viewer that's how I feel, and if they reset another reset to fix the reset that Corday hired to fix the last reset I'd say could we RESET NBC and have them cancel this crap. That would be the only reset that makes sense fro this writing.