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Will&Sonny
Dec 30 2012, 03:34 AM
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Dec 29 2012, 05:26 PM
Will&Sonny
Dec 28 2012, 11:23 PM
What Honeybees said. Yes, Will has a choice (well, as much of a choice as someone can have when they are at the mercy of writers who want to extend the reveal until X date for plot purposes, anyway), but I do think that he's ultimately going to choose to reveal that he's the father, so that's a bit of a moot point to me.

However, Will has always been willing to accept responsibility for the baby. Even if it inconveniences his life. Even if it ruins his relationship with Sonny. Even if it means that he has to drop out of college and get a dead-end job. Always.

Nick and Gabi have been, and still are, manipulating Will into doing what is best for Nick and Gabi. They have repeatedly preyed on his insecurities about broken homes. They have repeatedly preyed on his insecurities about his relationship with Sonny. They barely gave him any time to decide for himself what he wanted to do -- they offered this "solution" and then hovered over him, applying repeated pressure and not allowing him any privacy whatsoever, until he finally gave them the answer that they wanted him to give. They have repeatedly suggested that letting Nick raise the child would be in the child's best interests (and Will is, as far as I'm concerned, the only one who is truly coming across as being more concerned about the child's welfare than he is about his own selfish desires). Gabi, whom Will truly cares about and feels responsible for, has repeatedly insisted that Will needs to give up his child because that is what she wants -- knowing perfectly well that Will wants to make Gabi happy.

So yes -- Will has a choice. Will can stop this at any time. But I disagree with the assertion that this fact means that he cannot be seen as the victim. Will is being bullied into taking a specific course of action at the moment. Saying that he's not a victim because he could choose to tell the truth at any time is, to me, like saying that a person who is being bullied at school is not a victim because he could choose to report the bullying to the school principal at any time. (I have a different analogy that I'd love to make here, but I'll refrain from doing so because it might cause a huge derailment.)

As I've said before...if Nick and Gabi had just said to Will, "We have this idea about Nick raising the baby. Take some time to think about it and get back to us when you've made your decision. No pressure," and Will had agreed to go along with the plan without being manipulated or pressured into making that decision, that would have been an entirely different matter, but that's not what happened, and that is why Will's the victim and the only sympathetic character in this scenario, IMO.
Umm, Nick said to him and I quote "I would never want to take you away from your child. If you are ready to step up and be its father. Is that something you're willing to do?" Will's response was "Well I need some time to think about this." If Will wanted to step up, why didn't he say so then? Gabi then says "You can take some time to think about this. You don't have to decide right now, you can take some time." Nick points out the obvious, that everyone already thinks he (Nick) is the father and if Will wants to step up, then now is his moment.

I just re-watched the scenes. All Will could talk about was how him and Gabi sleeping together was a mistake, the situation sucks and his obligations blah blah blah. Meanwhile Nick tells Gabi he wants to marry her and have a wonderful life with her. Will decided to let Nabi raise his child because that was the easiest choice. He doesn't have to tell Sonny and face his wrath and the Bradys and Hortons. It would've been one thing if he told Gabi he wanted to make things work as co-parents and let the chips fall where they may with Sonny. That's not what he did.
It's not about what he said, it's about how he said it. You're also leaving out some of the lines. It seems kind of silly to transcribe the whole scene, but this is how it played out for me, starting exactly where you started:

Nick: [innocently] "Will, I have no problem -- I would never want to take you away from your child...[sinister pause]...if you're ready to step up and be its father. I mean, is -- is that something you're -- you're ready to do?"
Will: "Well, I -- I think I'm going to need some time to think about this."
Nick: "I totally understand...[and that's where I should have shut the hell up and given you that time, but instead, I'm going to ignore that request and add...]...but you're in love with Sonny, and Gabi and I are in love with each other. I mean, don't you think this is what's best for everyone -- [pointedly] especially the child?"
Will: "I don't need you to spell it out for me, Nick, and I don't need you to pressure me, and I especially do not need you to pressure [Gabi]."
Gabi: "Look, you can take some time to think about this, okay? You don't have to decide right now."
Nick: [Once again not giving Will any time] "No, but we're already letting people think that I'm the father, so if you want to step up and tell the truth, now is your moment...[pointedly]...and if you do, you've got to know that there is absolutely no turning back."
Will: "Gabi, you never really answered my question -- are you sure that you want to do this?"
Gabi: "No, I'm not, but out of all the options that we have -- I mean, this is the only one where I can see that we might all be happy in the future. I mean, you and Sonny -- gosh, it's taken forever for you guys to get together, and now that you finally are...I don't want to take that away from you."
Will: "You wouldn't, Gabi. This is my baby, and it is also my responsibility." [Seems like a pretty clear case of someone who is willing to take responsibility to me...]
Gabi: [Well, that didn't work -- time to try a different approach!] "Yeah, but it's not only you and Sonny. I'm in love with Nick, and he says that he can give this baby a great life."
Nick: "That's a promise. Just...please think about it."
Will: "Okay, I will. [Pause, then to Gabi...] All right, well, get some rest."

[Will exits and is next seen in the hallway, clearly conflicted. Over the course of the next two episodes, Will is given no time to think about the matter without Gabi and/or Nick hovering over his shoulder, pressuring him to make a decision and pointedly making it clear that they want him to make a specific decision. Will even says at one point, "You're trying really hard not to beg me to walk away, so obviously, what you want..."]

Anyway, back to the original scene in question...that whole scene played out as not-so-subtly antagonistic and manipulative to me. Nick shouldn't have even been there for that discussion -- Will hadn't had a single chance to sit down and talk to Gabi privately since she had decided to keep the baby. Will was ambushed and ganged up on, IMO, and while Nick and Gabi claimed that they were going to give Will time to make up his own mind, that's not what they actually ended up doing at all.

I would also point out that the above scene wouldn't have happened if Nick hadn't pressured Will into keeping the baby's paternity a secret in a previous episode. Will was ready to tell the truth, and Nick stopped him.

But we're obviously not going to agree on this, and that's fine. :smile: I do think that there was more to that scene than you suggested, though.
I guess my question is why would Will even consider going along with it? I'm sorry, nothing stops a man from stepping up for his own flesh and blood except himself. He could've told Nick to shove it. As a matter of fact, since you mentioned the previous scenes, when Nick told Sonny not to tell Sonny, Will could've said no way and told Sonny anyway. I'm a Nick fan but I thought that was out of line and not his call. My point is that yes, Nick is being incredibly manipulative and forceful but if Will wanted to claim his child and if he wasn't conflicted and worried about the fallout, he would've taken matters into his own hands and told Nick to back off. Nick only manipulated the situation because Will allowed him to. Will could've and still can put the lid on this whole thing. He won't because he's too worried about what Sonny and his family will think. And that makes him a coward, not a victim.
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