- October 15, 2011
'This is how I see it, as well. I feel like the post-wedding fight was the warning shot, so to speak. They were both vehemently defending their sister/son and that was driving their anger - but the way they went about it really does speak to the weakness that's always been evident in their relationship. Rafe has a really hard time seeing that version of Sami - the vindictive, vicious streak that comes out when she feels violated, betrayed, threatened, etc. And Rafe's judgmental attitude has always been a problem. Rafe had Will tried and convicted when it came to 'shirking' his responsibilities as the baby's father and he saw Gabi as a victim, pure and simple. Looking back it's a pity he didn't show the same protective, loyal instincts to Arianna.'
- Jan 17 2013, 01:40 PM
- Jan 17 2013, 01:11 PM
- Jan 17 2013, 11:48 AM
- Jan 17 2013, 11:30 AM
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I don't know. At this point, the whole Safe break-up still seems to be about Will and Gabi not them. Rafe is mad because Sami didn't support Gabi and Sami is mad that Rafe didn't support Will. The whole thing with Everett at Sami's apartment felt llike it was intended to be a contrast. Rafe blamed Will, Everett supported Will, ergo Sami would rather be with Everett now. But it didn't feel like a choice or a epiphany for Sami about Rafe. It felt like if Rafe had been more supportive of Will she'd still want to be with him.
It just shows how interchangeable the characters are because if the positions had been reversed (throw in Chad instead of Will) and Everett was attacking Gabi while Sami was attacking Chad, then Sami would have been at home with Rafe instead of Everett. That, to me, makes it feel like none of this is about Sami and Rafe. And that, for me, makes this feel like Everett "winning" by default rather than Sami making a real choice.
So, as I have said before, I hope that the next Safe fight goes beyond Gabi and Will if they are going to try and convince people that Sami is making a choice. But, even at that, I still think they set this up badly. If they really wanted to show Sami making a choice, we should have seen her be far more uncertain about reuniting with Rafe before the wedding. We should have seen him pushing and her being noncomittal and thinking of Everett when she was with Rafe. But, instead, it was the reverse.
I'm sure they are going with Evami and since I think anybody who ends up with Sami is the loser, I don't really care one way or another. But, if there isn't more of a character based break-up than what we've seen, I can't blame people for feeling like Everett is the default option. That's not Everett's fault, or even Sami's, it's the way the writing has set it up.
I guess I come out somewhere in the middle on this, as I think we are talking about two seperate, but related issues. One, I think the break-up is mutual, but two, I think the break-up is not primarily because of Safe's own issues (at least thus far).
Regarding whether the break-up is mutual....
Sami is obviously going to choose Everett and I think it is looking to be as much her choice as it is Rafe not wanting to be with her. In that way, it's not just that Rafe is "taking himself out of the race," it's also that Sami would rather not be with him either. For Everett to be Sami's second choice, she would have to want to be with Rafe and settling for Everett because Rafe doesn't want her. That's not what I see going on.
Regarding the reasons for the break-up....
I agree that the reason for the Safe break-up (at least as we have seen it thus far) seems to be more about their reactions to the Wabi baby than about Safe's own issues. We've seen glimpses that they are realizing that each other aren't who they thought they were (Sami's response of "of course you do" when Rafe said he knows what's going on, and Rafe's comment about Sami's "true colors"), but I'd like to see their next fight have more of this. If it's just because of the Wabi baby, I agree the break-up isn't as solid of a break-up. However, if Safe's reactions to the baby made them realize that they have bigger issues (e.g. Sami sees that Rafe is too judgmental and Rafe sees that Sami is too selfish), then I think the break-up has more teeth. I think we have to see what happens with their fight next week to judge how real the break-up is.
This is how I see it, as well. I feel like the post-wedding fight was the warning shot, so to speak. They were both vehemently defending their sister/son and that was driving their anger - but the way they went about it really does speak to the weakness that's always been evident in their relationship. Rafe has a really hard time seeing that version of Sami - the vindictive, vicious streak that comes out when she feels violated, betrayed, threatened, etc. And Rafe's judgmental attitude has always been a problem. Rafe had Will tried and convicted when it came to 'shirking' his responsibilities as the baby's father and he saw Gabi as a victim, pure and simple. Looking back it's a pity he didn't show the same protective, loyal instincts to Arianna.
'I think the next fight(s) will continue to bring their underlying issues to the surface. And in the meantime the writing for Everett is done to show a sharp contrast - understanding and supportive versus combative and indignant. It seems to me the plan is to continue to evolve EJeverett into the new Lexi-ized DiMera. Loves his family and is supportive of his siblings but working hard to distance himself from his father's ways and focusing on setting a good example for his own kids and building a life of his own. My guess is in the end it was the only way TPTB would finally attempt to go with EJami (for however long that lasts). For whatever reason they've always seemed to feel that Sami has to be perceived as a heroine in order to be a lead and thus couldn't be with EJ in a real relationship. Perhaps EJeverett is their solution to that - and bringing Kristen on the canvas just after losing Lexie gave them the opportunity to put it in motion.
Rafe has seen the vindictive, vicious streak that comes out when Sami feels violated, betrayed, threatened etc. He has witnessed it all, but mostly it was directed at EJ and other times Nicole. But he believed that EJ deserved every bit of it as he has witnessed for himself some of the things that EJ has done, and not forgetting the things EJ has done to him. He also disliked Nicole because he believed the things that Sami said about her, and also that Nicole kidnapped Sami's baby. So, when Sami use to pick fights with Nicole he was fine with that, when she shot EJ in the head he was fine with that. But this time she directed all that attitude towards his pregant sister Gabi. He was not a witness to Sami's behaviour towards Arianna. He was not there when they had an all out fight, nor when Sami picked up somthing to bash Arianna over the head with it, but with Gabi he is standing there in the room while she attacked her verbally.
There is no excuse for Sami's behaviour. The situation could have been handled differently and the same goes for Rafe. Saying, that Sami is being Sami should not be ok. If she is saying or doing something wrong Rafe should not be afraid to tell her so. I don't think that is being judgemental. If he is saying or doing somthing wrong, or Sami things he is being judgemental, it should be ok for her to tell him so as well. The characters should not remain stagnant and have no growth, and how will Sami if people cater to her bad behaviour instead of pointing it out. Although it still doesnt make difference when they do.
I don't think when Rafe tells Sami about herself that he is being judgemental. It shows to me that he is aware of her faults and he is not going to pat her or kiss her on the top of her head when she is behaving badly. Sami tends to bad mouth individuals for doing the exact same things that she is guilty of and Rafe sometimes brings her attention to it. Lucas does that as well. They are the voice of the audience sometimes because I for one do not find her bad attitude endearing.
Rafe is actually showing more balls than EJ right now. Typical example, she shouted at EJ in public, blaming him for somthing his sister did, and what does EJ do. He goes to her with his tail between his legs, head bowed and apologising to her and telling her that he loves her. Not that she said it back to him the first time he said it a couple of months ago but, obviously he has no pride when it comes to Sami.
Rafe and Sami relationship seems more real to me than Sami and EJ's relationship right now. Is EJ forever going to bow down to her. Apologise when to her when he was not wrong in the first place. Tell her all that she wants to hear. If she ever had an occasion to be horrible to Chad would he apolgise to her on behalf of Chad. No arguements in their relationship because he accepts her exactly the way she is. I suppose that is true because he does not seem to mind that she kisses him and afterwards turns around and kiss Rafe too. Is this how they are going to continue to write EJ. Accomodating to Sami. Saying never a harsh word. That is the contrast between the two men right now, and to be honest Rafe is looking pretty good. I would be totally bored with this version of EJ, and would have more respect for someone like Rafe who is not afraid to tell me exactly what he thinks whether good or bad.
I am far from being a Rafe fan, but I never understand how Rafe crimes wheter being judgemental or whatever could be worse that EJ's crimes. If the excuse is that EJ accepts Sami for exactly who she is and it includes not telling her when she is in the wrong and she can treat him however she likes, and Sami accepts EJ for who he is and it also includes the same thing. Then these two with their children would be walking around Salem boring the audience to tear. Yep, this triangle will never end, because while they needed EJ for angst for Safe, they will now need Rafe for angst for EJami.
Edited by Dee-anne
, Jan 17 2013, 07:09 PM.