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annie21


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Jan 17 2013, 09:18 AM
nolagirl
Jan 16 2013, 01:55 PM
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Jan 15 2013, 09:46 PM
nolagirl
Jan 15 2013, 05:03 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepThese definitions identify a slut as a person of low character a person who lacks the ability or chooses not to exercise a power of discernment to order their affairs, such as a cad, rake, or womanizer

But neither of those definitions apply to Sami. Since when is two or three people "everybody"? And we know she has feelings for everyone she's been with, so she doesn't seem to lack discernment, either.
I'd say the on line version suits Sami - A person, especially a woman, considered sexually promiscuous

She may have feelings but that doesn't excuse her jumping from bed to bed, she's fickle with men and is using them as a comfort sex being the way she comforts herself. She used Lucas when Rafe dumped her ass. She used EJ when she thought she'd lost her son, she's used Rafe when mad at EJ or especially when she shot EJ in the head. If a person jumps from one person to another in a short amount of time while even claiming to have feeling for all three people that's still looks like a slut.

I think Sami would be having a lot more sex, if this was about using the men. Even if we count the times she was ready and got interrupted that only adds up to three or four times from summer til now. I think it's been wrong of her to string people along, but each idiot who stood in line waiting for his turn to think he and Sami might build something real has to take responsibility for that.

annie21
Jan 16 2013, 11:22 PM
When it comes to the issue of morality in soaps, I have a sligKmhtly different take. On the one hand, I don't expect soaps to give me MY moral compass by preaching to me or otherwise coming across as straight-laced or "moralistic." I do think however, that every character on the show should each have THEIR own moral compass, even if it's the "honor among thieves" variety of a villain like Victor or Stefano. And the writers should stick to that compass for each character, no matter what that might be. That's how we know when a character is facing a moral dilemma, which I do think is a fundamental aspect of all soaps.

For example, those baby switches, bed hoppings, and betrayals only have dramatic impact if there is some kind of understood notion (by the audience and by the characters) that this is wrong. The writers rely on the backdrop of our collective moral sense of right and wrong, combined with various character reactions, to create shock value in a particular story. If, when someone walked out of a hospital with someone else's baby, everyone in Salem just yawned and said, "oh well, that's just what happens around here," there would be no drama in that.

Many of the storylines that are currently on have a fundamental moral aspect that creates the drama for the characters:
-- Kristen's lies and manipulations are weighed against her own sense of being wronged by those she's now hurting.
-- Marlena wrestled with whether to tell John the truth about Brady and Kristen and is now being confronted by that choice.
-- Will agonized over whether to step forward and tell the truth or keep a secret and risk hurting others.

Moral dilemmas are powerful tools in driving dramatic storytelling, even and especially when characters go against generally accepted notions of right and wrong.

My problem with this show in the last few years is that they have a shallow and cynical approach to the use of this tool. They either manufacture a weak moral dilemma and blow it all out of proportion or skim too lightly over a major one. A character's moral compass can change or disappear in a flash, only to conveniently reappear when the plot calls for it. We get a shocking moment where characters do "bad" things, but then there's no follow through and no consequences. Just a big shrug and we're moving on to the next thing.

I, for one, would like more consistency and follow-through, and more character-based storytelling. If a character is "bad," fine. Then have that character's motivations and moral sense of right and wrong reflect that. But to make a character skate around on the surface and have no real depth makes it hard for me to relate. And it definitely makes for flat, superficial, and boring stories.





This is a good point, although I don't think a character's moral center needs to be set in stone, because people change. This was the issue I had every time the SPD decided to cover up a crime. For a long time, the show wrote for shock value and not like a long running drama.
Yes, I agree. People can change. That, too, makes for great storytelling. To see a redemption story where a "bad" character is inspired to change his or her evil ways or similarly, to see a "good" character descend into bad boy or bad girl.

The problem is when this change happens overnight, lol. And when there's no rhyme or reason for why a character suddenly has a major shift in their actions without us being given any real motive for it. Again, for the last several years, this show has been too lazy in its writing and its pacing of storylines to let us see and enjoy those arcs. We get "rushed," we get "insta," we get flip-flops, and we get hastily rewritten history. No growth, no consequences, no depth.

This Wabi baby story got off to just such a bad start. But if it does begin to play out the emotional beats associated with the moral dilemmas of the various characters, then it's headed in the right direction imo. One can only hope. :)

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