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Jan 25 2013, 04:58 PM
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- October 29, 2011
Thanks for the explanation. As someone who was in on that early part of the conversation, I recall it a little bit differently, but okay. The main thing is that I agree with the definition you refer to. But what I saw was several people saying that there was no way Sami was being tricked because of the way EJ was handling it. Several of us disagreed with that premise. And I brought up the technical dictionary definition only to make the point that the word "scheme" in and of itself doesn't have to mean underhanded tactics along the extreme lines that we're used to with EJ, but rather that there is a range of possible tactics associated with the term.
- Jan 25 2013, 03:44 PM
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- Jan 25 2013, 12:13 AM
I've really enjoyed reading all the back and forth about EJ and scheming, lol! As someone who originally asked a sincere question about that earlier in this thread, I've found it interesting seeing various points of view.
Two quick points. I honestly thought that all those conversations between EJ and Kristen where she was advising him on how to get Sami back (and drive a wedge between her and Rafe) is what led to the Everett we're seeing now. To me, all the DiMeras currently in Salem have been scheming behind the scenes in various ways and checking in periodically with each other (and -- in Kristen's case -- with Stefano) on their progress. Kristen is causing havoc for Jarlena. Chad is seeking revenge on Gabi. And EJ is trying a new tactic in his multi-year pursuit of Sami. Yes, all of this pales in comparison to the dastardly schemes of yesteryear.
This leads me to my second point. Scheming doesn't always imply evil or other negative connotations. At it's most basic, to scheme means to pursue a plan of action. And I think that EJ does have a plan in mind. Whether he pursues that through benign schemes or despicable ones, his goal has been the same for years and years. This Everett angle (and most of the other EJ iterations) have that one thing in common -- they were all variations on the theme of EJ scheming to get Sami.
If Everett truly is a real and permanent change in the way the character is being written by TomSell, then we should be seeing that manifested in every aspect of EJ's life -- not just when he's with Sami and/or her family members. So, imo, it remains to be seen whether schmoopy Everett is here to stay or whether EJ's true colors (to the extent he has any after all the rewrites and character changeups) will re-emerge.
Not to beat a dead horse, but under that broad definition, wouldn't everyone be scheming? Daniel has a plan to do surgeries and get in Jen's pants. Hope has a plan to keep Salem safe and raise Ciara to have certain values etc.
Um, no. Sorry, if I wasn't clear.
Actually, I thought what we were discussing is whether this Everett version of EJ is genuine and is basically the new face of the character, or whether it's a temporary mask -- a means to an end.
It seemed to me that some people were saying the word "scheme" as if it can only refer to the dastardly schemes EJ is fully capable of and has pursued in the past. I was merely pointing out that schemes can also be relatively benign and are not always evil or criminal.
As for Daniel and Hope, I would say Daniel schemed to get Chloe away from her husband. And Hope has schemed in the past to counter the threats to her marriage she viewed in the form of Billie and Carly.
Back to EJ, whether he's currently scheming or not, his goal is the same as if he were. Like I said in a previous thread, EJ reminds me of Wile E. Coyote. He's constantly trying to get Sami the Roadrunner and basically gets nowhere.
The original conversation started because someone said Sami was getting tricked, so the the definition of scheme that we were using (a plan that is underhanded, even if the steps are benign) was set early on. The broad definition you brought up makes it sound like he'd have to be scheming, simply because he has a goal. lol (Who isn't currently "pursing a plan of action?"). But anyway, agree to disagree.
Anyway, I don't think we were disagreeing that much, but we can agree to disagree about the degree to which we were disagreeing. :)