Days of our Lives (runners-up: ATWT, Sunset Beach, OLTL, Y&R)
Apr 2 2013, 04:19 PM
Apr 2 2013, 04:08 PM
Apr 2 2013, 03:11 PM
And I also disagree with the statement that Will was originally willing to give up his daughter simply so that he could be with Sonny. That is not what happened, period.
We constantly complain that this show wants us to ignore what we saw on our screens and frankly I refuse to do that...they put it in dialogue and it played out that way...he didn't want to tell Sonny the truth because he had finally been open and honest with himself and started a relationship with the man he loved and he didn't want to tell him that he had gotten Gabi pregnant, because he feared he would lose Sonny if he told him the truth. Obviously it's a soap but the show puts dialogue in for a reason....you really can't discount it especially when he said it word for word.....and he said just that a little while after he told Sonny the truth.....
The irony of this statement is that you're saying that you refuse to ignore what is being shown on-screen, but that's exactly what you're doing.
You're ignoring this conversation from December 4th, 2012, over one month before the writers had Will claim that he had chosen to give up his daughter so that he could be with Sonny. In this episode, Will even specifically states that Sonny would understand and be supportive of Will, but that doesn't fit into Gabi's perfect little agenda that she's already decided would be best for her, so she plants doubts in Will's mind because she doesn't want him to tell Sonny the truth. Will also specifically talks about the real reason that he's considering Nick's plan in this episode -- he doesn't want his child to be bounced back and forth all of the time like he was, which has nothing to do with Sonny.
You're ignoring these scenes from December 5th, 2012, over one month before the writers had Will claim that he had chosen to give up his daughter so that he could be with Sonny. In this episode, Will even specifically says to Gabi, "You know, you're trying really hard not to beg me to walk away, so obviously, what you want --" and Gabi interrupts him to claim that she simply wants the baby to be happy. Then, after Will agrees to go along with Nick's plan, Will tells Nick, "Don't look like you're taking a bullet for me. You're getting what you want -- you got Gabi, and you got my baby -- so please do me a favor and don't rub it in." Will isn't the least bit happy about the decision in these scenes, and again, he clearly states the real reason that he has made such a difficult decision -- he doesn't want his child to be bounced back and forth all of the time like he was, which has nothing to do with Sonny.
You're ignoring countless other scenes that I could easily find that support the fact that Will did not give up his daughter so that he could be with Sonny. If that were the case, I'm sure that Will would have seemed much happier in the weeks after he made the agreement -- he got what he wanted in that case, right? He was with Sonny, and everyone believed that Nick was the father of Gabi's baby. But in reality, Will was miserable in the weeks after making that agreement. He tried to change his mind multiple times, and Nick and Gabi were always there to stop him from doing so.
When viewers are shown one thing and then told something entirely different and contradictory later, that's commonly known as a retcon, and that's exactly what this fallacy about Will giving up his daughter so that he could be with Sonny is -- a retcon. In those cases, it is perfectly within a viewer's rights to choose to question the retcon, since they already saw things happen previously that invalidate the retcon. You don't question the first thing that you were told and shown, you question the thing that contradicts what you were originally told and shown.
I'm not sure why you are so defensive here....I'm not ignoring any scenes....I already said that both happened but the fact they put in both is the problem.....don't forget one and just focus on the other....IMHO I agree with whatever poster said that William is not fighting for his daughter...he seems to be fighting against Nick...that is NOT the fight he should be focusing on....
Frankly the argument that he didn't want his kid bounced around like he was is stupid....because frankly he wasn't bounced around...he either lived with his mother or his father/grandmother, ....it wasn't like he spent years in foster care, going from one abusive home to the other....it's hogwash and it's not flying in my book.
Listen, let's just agree to disagree because we are never going to agree that Will has acted ALWAYS in the best interest of his daughter, the fact that he's going to Stefano before exhausted all possible options tells me so.
The tone of my previous post was meant to be assertive -- those scenes did happen, regardless of what the writers try to say to the contrary, and regardless of what some viewers seem to believe as a result of the writers' retcon, and I was simply stressing that point. If it came across as defensiveness, I apologize.
And again, I'm not forgetting the fact that the writers also had Will claim that he had given up his daughter so that he could be with Sonny. I've been stating that this happened from my very first post on the subject. I'm simply denying that what the writers had Will say is actually true, because it's not. It's a retcon of what was previously established, period. The writers took what was originally a selfless act and tried to turn it into a selfish act after the fact, and I refuse to accept that version of the events in question, since it requires me to ignore what actually happened on my screen prior to the time that the retcon occurred.
Also, a fight against Nick is a fight for Will's daughter, but that's another matter entirely.
I agree that it's probably best for us to just agree to disagree, though. :cheers: