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Re: the bolded...I distinctly remember the scene where Rafe and Gabi were discussing his relationship with Kate at the Kiriakis mansion. It was certainly obvious to me in that scene that Rafe's feelings for Kate were getting more serious. :shrug: Gabi even asked Rafe if he was in love with Kate, and he was unable to answer the question. If Rafe and Kate had been nothing more than "fuck buddies", it wouldn't have been the least bit difficult to answer that question, but there was clearly more to their relationship than that, so Rafe was hesitant to answer because he hadn't even truly figured out the answer to that question himself.
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepafter emerging from his coma, the audience already knows that he remembers it.
My issue is with the word relationship in regard to Kate and Rafe. This was nothing but a sexual affair...they never had a date or a serious conversation...nothing but sexual romp after sexual romp. They were fuck buds, not an in love couple. That seems to be what Rafe also has remembered. I hate that now they are having Kate running around acting like a lovesick puppy over Rafe and making their sexual affair into more than it ever was especially when we all saw what it really was.
Not to be "that guy" who pulls out the dictionary and lectures someone about the proper definition of a word, but Rafe and Kate did
have a relationship. It might not have been what you would describe as a meaningful
relationship, but it was a relationship nevertheless. You're placing your own meaning on the word that isn't necessarily going to match up with someone else's meaning of the word, hence your objection to its use. While that is understandable, not everyone is going to agree with you. Similarly, some people object to the use of the word "affair" when it is used to describe a sexual relationship between two unmarried and otherwise unattached individuals, such as Brady and Kristen or Rafe and Kate, because they attach their own connotation -- extramarital
affair -- to the word, but that doesn't make the use of that word to describe a sexual relationship between two unmarried and otherwise unattached individuals wrong
And I don't know about anyone else, but I certainly saw evidence that Kate and Rafe were developing deeper feelings for each other. I can understand how someone could believe that their relationship progressed from a "friends with benefits" arrangement to something more serious too quickly, or that their relationship didn't progress from a "friends with benefits" arrangement to something more serious in a way that was organic and believable, but I can't understand how someone could claim that the aforementioned progression never happened at all
. It certainly did in the episodes that I
was watching. Kate and Rafe didn't want to end their relationship. They were sad when it did end. Various individuals who knew Kate and/or Rafe well observed that Kate and/or Rafe were happier after the relationship started than they had been in the months leading up to the start of the relationship. When Rafe made that rude comment about Kate's past as a prostitute during one of their arguments, it genuinely hurt her -- not because it was something that she had never heard before, but because she hadn't been prepared to hear it from someone whose opinion actually mattered to her.
What started as a "friends with benefits" arrangement quickly evolved into something deeper, and that's okay -- many "friends with benefits" arrangements do. That's why people often say that such arrangements never work, because at least one person in the arrangement always ends up developing stronger feelings for the other person.
Oh I believe they were enjoying their sexual companionship and it certainly put a smile on their faces, but as far as saying they were developing deeper feelings? I'm not buying that. I'm not saying they were shown cold hearted wham, bam thank you ma'am now get out of my bed, they obviously liked each other, but it certainly played as a fling. I saw that they had commonality such as family loyalty Rafe for his sister and Kate for Will, but I didn't see any relationship building as they discovered their own personal connection. Yes, Kate liked Rafe in her bed and he's a decent man who isn't going to play her the way Stefano did so it's natural for her to be sad to let the fling go. They were having fun. But
to now have Kate declaring Rafe saved her soul
and her hovering bedside weeping comes across fake. This 'relationship' didn't earn
the depth of feeling they are trying to convey from Kate. I didn't see a love affair, I saw a happy sex romp. Where did we see Rafe developing deeper feelings? When did it become 'serious' to him? He might have been bummed to end it, but he did and without emotional turmoil attached.
Rafe's not a nasty guy, so I'm sure he felt bad that Kate believed he classified her as just a good lay prostitute. I didn't see that as coupling moment though. If anything it came across as a way for the writers to keep the sexual fling going til they could get to their 'big reveal' moment down the line.
Later in that same episode, Rafe and Kate forgave each other and resumed their relationship (a direct result of Rafe's earlier conversation with Gabi at the Kiriakis mansion). When Rafe apologized for hurting Kate's feelings with the prostitute comment, Kate's reply was, "Well, your feelings can only be hurt if the person who's inflicting the damage is someone you care about." And since Kate had also hurt Rafe's feelings a few episodes earlier with a comment about Sami, that statement worked both ways.
And recently, we saw that Rafe was dreaming about Kate right before he emerged from his coma, which tells me that he didn't just end their relationship without any sort of "emotional turmoil attached". He was still thinking about it, even while he was in a coma -- he hadn't just packed up and moved on.
Like I said before, I can understand why some viewers might think that Rafe and Kate had developed feelings too quickly. There's always been a lot of resistance to so-called "insta-love" relationships on this site, so that's not surprising. The claims that Rafe and Kate had never thought of each other as anything more than friends with benefits, and that they had never been in any sort of "relationship" with each other, are the ones that puzzle me, since it seems like an indisputable fact to me that Rafe and Kate had each developed some sort of deeper connection to the other person that went beyond just being happy to be getting laid.
Which is why I'll just have to agree to disagree with people who believe otherwise.