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Sep 20 2013, 11:30 AM
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- January 3, 2008
Well, your first sentence is why we are disagreeing then. I see being the black sheep of the family going hand in hand with feeling acceptance or like you don't measure up.
- Sep 20 2013, 11:22 AM
- Sep 20 2013, 11:14 AM
- Sep 20 2013, 10:44 AM
- Sep 20 2013, 09:43 AM
Quoting limited to 4 levels deep She was accepted as long as she behaved a certain way. Now that he's gotten to actually know her over all of these years and has seen the sacrifices (often made at EJ's insistence in the past) she's made for her family,
Most of that 5-6 years was full of people (including you) talking about how out of character she was. But I only think that one year was written the way you're saying, and even that wasn't her making a sacrifice for her family, IMO. It was her doing what she wanted no matter what her family said as has pretty much always been the case. Again, if that's how Sami is now, then they achieved making her Carrie/Belle. I don't happen to think that's the case at all, but that's not my description of her. Once Sami becomes the poor pathetic victim of her big mean family, not only does that became a complete rewrite of history (and even history as recent as what aired yesterday) but she loses the edge that would have made her compatible with EJ in the first place.
I don't know if I'm even following what you are saying, but Sami has always felt like the black sheep of the family. I always saw this as more about Sami's own internal dialogue and insecurities rather than anything her family did or didn't do to her intentionally. No doubt there were some actions by her family that reinforced her insecurities, but I never saw that as the root cause.
The way it's been written, she gets that acceptance from EJ that she has craved and never *felt* from her family, regardless of what they did or not. I would argue Caroline may be the exception to that rule for the most part Sami felt like she didn't measure up. I think EJ also gets that acceptance from Sami as they are both twisted, impulsive and passionate and equally insecure at the very core. They get that understanding from each other even though it often results in their individual self-destruction and/or the demise of their relationship.
I think black sheep is different from feeling in accepted or even like you don't measure up. If Sami is painted as the victim as she was earlier, that's just plain inaccurate. And there was never an issue with her family accepting her. There's been a lot of issues with Sami not accepting herself. No one in her family has tried to change her personality. They've told her to grow up, accept responsibilities for her mistakes, and stop committing crimes against people she supposedly loves, but that's not "not accepting" her. And it really hasn't been any different with Caroline.
Mostly, I'm specifically saying that in the post I quoted, Sami was painted as a victim. That's not accurate. And IMO, if it were accurate, that turns her into that exact character that people thought they were seeing with Rafe. In her case, I don't think she can be the victim and the fun bad girl at the same time. Which is fine because she's definitely not the victim.
Often, I think kids become the black sheep because they don't feel like they fit in with the family in the way they should and aren't accepted as they are or measure up as they are. They act out and take on the black sheep role cuz they don't know how else to define their role in the family. Negative reinforcement to their own insecure way of defining their family role and individual qualities.
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I get what you are saying though in the rest of your post.