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Nov 5 2013, 06:13 PM
- June 13, 2007
The way I understood it, the feelings for Kristen were a surprise for John. He thought they were dead. So, he wasn't lying from 1999-2012. We also don't know when he stopped thinking Kristen was dead. It was her return that made him see it. Nothing more, nothing less. And honestly, that's super couple writing. Bo said that to Hope plenty, but look at Carly and Billie. Its the kind of thing the man believes in the moment he is saying it because he can't imagine anything but what he has right in that moment.
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Every time I hear that its rewritten history, I balk. Kristen was not just a placeholder for Marlena. No more than any other woman who wasn't Marlena ever was. Kristen was no Isabella in the grand scheme of John Black love affairs, but I don't think you can argue that he didn't love the woman. I think her deceit broke a lot of things for John, but I can believe that there were things left unresolved by the way things ended. Marlena and John shared scenes reflecting on that during the Killing Pool.
Do I believe that he would have dropped Kristen in a second if he knew about the letter when he was on death row - when Marlena wrote it? Maybe. I feel like a lot John and Marlena fans have this all or nothing vibe when it comes to the two of them, but both have had passionate love with other people. It just doesn't compare to what they have together.
Doesn't mean I don't want Marlena to kick his ass for playing her.
John wrote the letter to Marlena when he was on death row. He gave it to a guard to give to Marlena. The guard put it in Marlena's bag. When they got back to Salem, Kristen found it, read it, freaked out and hid it. Marlena found it in a book of Kristen's.
Yes, John did love Kristen at one time but his heart and soul always belonged to Marlena. He dreamed about her and pined for her the entire time he was with Kristen. Heck, even when he and Kristen had sex, he dreamed it was Marlena. And after all of Kristen's lies and deceit came out, he dropped her so fast. The hatred he had for Kristen after that was blatantly obvious. He wanted nothing to do with her ever again.
The writing for John now contradicts all that. He believed Kristen had changed and took her word over Marlena's, his wife, and to get Kristen out of Brady's life, he was going to sleep with her and then when he told Marlena why he did it; he said it was because deep down he still had feelings for Kristen. That was a big, fat lie and a total blow to J&M's relationship thus far. If John still had feelings for Kristen all this time, he would have said something, he wouldn't have chosen Marlena over her over and over again. He wouldn't have married Marlena over and over again. TomSell don't care about J&M's history because if they did, they wouldn't have written John the way they did and treat J&M's marriage like dirt on their shoes! :redface:
I'm not holding my breath that things will get better for J&M, I'm just glad that he's back. I am anxious to see him and Deidre in scenes together again. I don't trust TomSell as far as I can throw them. But at least it's a start. :ermmmm:
Not to mention he flat out told Marlena for years and years that she was the only woman is his heart, period. So was he lying from 1999-2012? Or lying now? Either way, I want answers. And if they decide to keep the rewrite that John secretly carried a small torch for Kristen, despite the fact that it was always written differently by all previous headwriters, then I will never fully like his character, no matter what hoops they have him jump through to redeem him. I will never root for Roman and Marlena, but I will never fully like John either.
He's gonna have to repudiate the last year. Not by "being a better father" or "treating Marlena better", but by having a verbal conversation with Marlena that restores the rightful history and repudiates his lies about having feelings for a woman he couldn't have given less of a shit about for decades.
Others are probably just glad he's back. I want the history restored or forgetaboutit.