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Michael Fairman Interview w/ PT, GDH, and JR
Topic Started: Sep 9 2016, 01:52 PM (6,326 Views)
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Lovejm
Sep 10 2016, 08:56 PM
I think it's curious Orpheus already knows John isn't Roman. And calling him agent black was interesting too. Lysie suggested earlier in the week maybe he know John wasn't Roman the whole time. I could see them going that route.

Either way it for sure sounds like they stick with (enter character with Drake's face) having killed the wife
Yeah I was thinking that would be interesting as well...or what if Orpheus is John blacks brother..?? Who knows what they are going to do. They could just say that Orpheus has been reading the newspapers and keeping up with everything. I'm hoping they do this story right and not screw it up like they have a tendency of doing.
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Sep 10 2016, 08:46 PM
They were denying it back 2006 when Stephen came on show and got his memory back. No talk about John used to be Roman and the only Roman that Steve knew before he died on show was Ro-John. The only reference I think that Steve made about Roman 1 was when he and Ro-John were about to leave for Stockholm and he told him about seeing someone on a gurney in the hospital in Miami. He said they were going to do surgery on the guy I think and he left the impression that he knew Ro-John was Roman.
The only time I recall Steve ever talking about seeing him presurgery was 1988. Diana was there as well. That was the story with him investigating what happened the year Roman. At the time, I thought that story unequivocally shut the dooe on ever saying that John was Roman.

Funny you should mention 2006. In 2006, when he came back, I was saying, in jest, to people that maybe Steve could explain who had seen in Miami. Of course, he had no memory so it was moot.

Let's not forget last year and John investigating his history yet again. I was watching every day then because that was around the time that Steve and Bo returned. No references to him ever being Roman in a story that was about his past. Stefano killed. Retrospective show in Brady pub. All about what Stefano did to these people. Not one, zero, nada mention of John ever having been Roman.

Personally, I think they just don't want to deal with the complex, convoluted history of it all. And since John hasn't been Roman in 25 years, I guess that is okay. But then Orpheus is not the character you want to use. They chose to use Orpheus. Now, it's not okay to just gloss over it.

What are they going to do, show the flashback where you see Drake's face, but cut out the audio where we clearly hear, Look out, Roman, KGB?

Now, that think of it, when John was hit by the car and died in 2008? They referenced him being Roman at the funeral. And after he came back as RoboJohn. I remember him being in Roman's office and him seeing the nameplate and the camera zooming in with some weird music. John visibly disoriented. That's the last real references I remember.

But I have not watched the show with the same regularity in recent years. Steve and Bo brought me back watching every day. Hope murdering Stefano in cold blood and it's aftermath ended that.
I do watch for Orpheus this week.
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It's been mentioned many times through the years that he was Roman. This last year is the only time I remember them really actively avoiding it when it was relevant. Sami was actually the main person to regularly reference it when she'd talk about growing up. I believe a reference to it was cut this summer.
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seek revenge on those who put them behind bars!
Well, I don't know who put Orpheus behind bars, but I remember RoJohn killing him.

Did Xander and Clyde know each other in Salem? Did they ever interact?

I loved GDH's comments!
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Orpheus wants to get back at …?

GEORGE:John Black, Marlena, and Patch and Kayla.
Thank GOD he didn't say "Roman Brady"!

I'm not sure I quite understood what GDH said about how Orpheus is still alive. Guess I'll have to wait.
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MICHAEL: Did the three of you scare half the cast?
What a silly question, LOL Why would the cast be scared? And only half of them? :laugh:
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Sep 9 2016, 04:55 PM
I'm really looking forward to this, which isn't something I've been able to say since the Yo Ling story back in March. It sounds like the villains are going to be causing quite a bit of trouble, which should keep things interesting for a little while. It definitely helps that I like all three villains. Clyde and Xander were, in my opinion, two of the best parts of Tomsell's writing, and although I wasn't watching back when Orpheus was first on the show, I like him so far, and I especially like GDH's portrayal of him. I hope that when this arc is over, they continue to use the villains periodically. The best kinds of villains are the ones who come in for a little while, wreak havoc, and then disappear, those kinds of villains are able to do a lot more than a villain who is on contract(like Andre and Deimos). I hope when this arc is over, they don't get killed off(not that death would stop Days from bringing them back, but still).
With JM being gone :'( I wouldnt mind at all if Orpheus stuck around (off-screen, and popping in once in a while).
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Sep 11 2016, 01:04 PM
It's been mentioned many times through the years that he was Roman. This last year is the only time I remember them really actively avoiding it when it was relevant. Sami was actually the main person to regularly reference it when she'd talk about growing up. I believe a reference to it was cut this summer.
Over the years, yes. Not recently, though. Again, they did a story where he was investigating his past and it was not brought up at all.
How can you do a retrospective show dealing with Stefano and all his crimes and not bring that up? Except that they are deliberately avoiding it.

I don't know if it was a writer thing. If so, maybe the new writers will address it. Orpheus is a perfect opportunity. I'm going to bet my thirrd ranch here that they don't. I guess we'll see when Orpheus and John cross paths..
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Sep 9 2016, 09:38 PM
Well not much about him has been referred to since he died. I guess I'll need another ranch because I'll bet it that this is all about what happened back then. Nothing about something off screen since then.


Saw your point about drake's face in the flashback to the shooting. How they ever let it air like that I'll never know.
It was shot outside on a darkened street. Maybe they thought it was too dark. He had a ski cap on. They just should have shot it from behind like they did all the other flashbacks he had of Stockholm. However, you clearly hear Orpheus' voice. Look out, Roman, KGB.

I have no doubt that a cheat is involved. Not a legitimate one, though. More like the standard rewrite or glossing over history
The recreated flashbacks with Drake as Roman was odd, and it's why the whole thing is confusing, because weren't some of them from Orpheus' perspective? Why would Orpheus have seen Drake's Roman in his flashbacks? Or for that matter why would Drake's Roman see his new face and body and not his old one in the flashbacks? And Orpheus never commented on his face being different. It honestly gives me a headache. :D I almost think back then they wanted to pretend WN's Roman didn't exist, or would never be back so why not just film those scenes with Drake.

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Sep 9 2016, 09:54 PM
To each his own. I have zero problem with him still carrying that grudge over his wife. That is something a character like Orpheus should never get over. It's referenced in the interview. It's an emotional cancer for the character.

Presumably, they are using the character because they think some viewers will remember him from back then. You are using history. Speaking for myself, that means staying true to the character as we saw him.
This is DAYS, where they rewrote the entire Aremid story just to bring Tony back. Where John now has a son by someone who never existed during the time he was on screen almost daily for a decade.
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Sep 9 2016, 10:37 PM
I have zero problem with him being mad at John, the guy shot him. Marlena did nothing but be his captive. Yet on his first show back he is calling her the person he hates most in the world. Sorry, that doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the writers.

Steve and Kayla were no doubt contributors to foiling his plan in Stockholm. Clearly didn't anger him enough to have a scene with either after they left Stockholm.

To clarify my position, I can certainly buy him seeking some sort of revenge on John, Steve and Kayla, but certainly not leaving Roman out of the equation. That is a different level of hatred. Visceral, an obsession.

The interview listed the people he is going after. I don't see Roman and I don't buy that they will give me a satisfactory explanation for why not. Just continuing to act like John was the one who shot his wife( the motivation for the character's raison d'etre,if you will) is not a satisfactory explanation, IMO.

Let's see what happens. I don't think they will outright retcon anything. None of Orpheus' anger will be about anything that happened offscreen since 1987. I mean against the parties involved. I don't think they will do a region of John shot the woman , not Roman. Maybe just act like John still did it without referencing that they used to think he was Roman or that roman had been the person in Stockholm. More just gloss over it than retcon it.

Anything Days related that involves John Black and history usually does not end in anything that honors Canon.
There is no canon on this show. Been on the air too long and too many writers have hacked it up over the decades.That said, I wonder if they are just going to say that it was always just John Black that killed his wife, and be all vague about timeline. They have the flashbacks of the shooting with Drake playing it, so they can just say hey this happened back whenever and now Orpheus is back.

Ken Corday has this notion that fans can't remember anything over four or five years in the past, so this won't be a problem for them.
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They're going to have to mess with the history a little bit no matter what. There are some things I'd be okay with and others I wouldn't. We'll see.
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Sep 10 2016, 05:51 PM
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Sep 10 2016, 02:27 PM
lancer
Sep 9 2016, 09:17 PM
But ALL the guy's motivation is about Roman. He is only battling Drake 's character is because he thinks he is Roman. He didn't hate Marlena. She was a tool to hurt Roman.

JT is certainly my third favorite Roman, but I'm not prepared to butcher the actual history to avoid involving him.
Unless they make it John that somehow killed him (his face was in the recreated FB after all), and Orpheus didn't give a fuck what his name was, just that he had a wife he could take away from him. That'd still be Orpheus-y to me. He wanted revenge for a real reason, not because little Roman Augustus had been a bully all-through middle school.

John doesn't remember that time, they can easily make it that he was there in addition to Roman, they just never saw each other. It's a retcon, but it's nowhere near a big WTF moment for me at least. And Stockholm is one of my all time favorite stories.
Obviously, mileage varies. John happening to be in Stockholm at the same time would be classic WTF to me. Forget his face, Orpheus calls him Roman in the flashback.

Roman Augustus Brady killed his wife. This is about who killed his wife. All his late 1986 actions were fueled by that. Everything he was doing was payback for that.

Now, early on he did do other stuff. He was going to get those tattoos to get those bonds and he didn't care who he had to kill to do it. However, that was business. What he did to Roman was personal and obsessive.

If they officially retcon it that John killed Rebecca, ridiculous as I think the retcon would be, than it makes perfect sense that he go after John and Roman is out of it.

Again, I don't think that is what they are going to do. Based on the interview, I think they'll reference the wife, act like John killed her and not reference John ever being Roman or Roman's involvement in Stockholm.

If that works for you, good for you, enjoy it. It wouldn't work for me. That is not my idea of honoring history. Hey, maybe they will surprise me and do something different. If they do, I'll have no problem admitting I was wrong. Forgive me if I don't hold my breath, though. Their track record is not good. It's downright laughable with John Black 's history.
It's laughable with Roman's history as well. And Tony, Stefano, Hope, etc etc.
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Sep 10 2016, 08:35 PM
lancer
Sep 10 2016, 05:51 PM
Again, I don't think that is what they are going to do. Based on the interview, I think they'll reference the wife, act like John killed her and not reference John ever being Roman or Roman's involvement in Stockholm.
I think that's what they are going to do too. I also got that feeling when they showed the short flashback of Marlena asking Orpheus to let her go. Roman was mentioned right before and after by both of them in that scene but that didn't make it into the flashback. It's probably to early to judge but I don't get why they are so afraid to acknowledge that John was thought to be Roman for a few years.
I blame Josh Taylor. :D
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I'm certainly not going to dispute that Days has a history of butchering history, but John Black's is another level. Everytime they do it again, I complain.
It looks to me what they are planning to do here is my idea of butchering history.
Roman Brady killed Orpheus' wife. Showing that flashback where you can see Drake's face and just acting like John did it is my idea of butchering history, so I'll probably complain.

Doesn't mean anything will come of it. Don't they film 6 months in advance? Doesn't mean Days won't do it again and again. I still won't like. I often wonder why they bother with the serial fiction format when they don't want to be constrained by it.

Corday really believes that? If he does, I'm curious why he'd bring back Orpheus or someone like Larry Welch.
Just concentrate on the recent past.

Just my opinion, nothing more. As I said, mileage varies. One person's butchering of history is another person's acceptable storytelling.
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There's about a thousand ways they can go with this but seeing as how GDH already said John killed the wife as Roman and the fact that Roman isn't even there when Orpheus arrives, pretty much shows me they're sticking with the flashback with drakes face. Which was silly to make in 86 when they were trying to say it was before the surgery.

I'm also curious since they address how Orpheus is still alive if they address that Marlena ended up dead the last time he was in town. There's a lot of things they can choose to leave in or out.
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Sep 9 2016, 02:09 PM
Clyde not targeting JJ is ridiculous.
It really doesn't make much sense. Clyde is a very selfish and arrogant man and it seems like the person who put HIM in jail would be his real focus for revenge. JJ should be the top of his list for his own actions and for his connection to Abby. It's a two-fer.

Abby should be second because she always loved Chad, cheated on Ben and was only manipulated into staying with Ben via the paternity test (I'm not casting judgement here, I'm thinking from Clyde's perspective). He also thought she was a snobby slut. In Abby's absence, Chad should be second because he did Ben's girlfriend and "stole Ben's future".

Not sure why he has it in for Kate. She was just a convenient bedmate with some business savvy. That was never a love match for either of them. It makes more sense for him to have beef with Marlena, Jennifer and Victor for looking down their noses at him. I was happy at the time that they were not able to be manipulated by him. Aiden....I guess it could be the same but I just don't care.

I do wish they saved his return for a time after Abby comes back. That could be a test of how solid, grounded and sane she is.

In the end, I just really hope his role in Thomas' paternity test comes out and I want Clyde to hear once and for all that Chad is Thomas' biological father (I know he will probably still think that baby belongs to Ben but "I" need to see him get that news).



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Love this interview. These three are my reason for tuning back in.
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Sep 12 2016, 09:44 AM
There's about a thousand ways they can go with this but seeing as how GDH already said John killed the wife as Roman and the fact that Roman isn't even there when Orpheus arrives, pretty much shows me they're sticking with the flashback with drakes face. Which was silly to make in 86 when they were trying to say it was before the surgery.

I'm also curious since they address how Orpheus is still alive if they address that Marlena ended up dead the last time he was in town. There's a lot of things they can choose to leave in or out.
So stupid how they shot that scene. But it was shot outside in a darkened enviroment. he had a ski cap on. Maybe they thought it wasn't that clear when they shot it. But they must review this stuff before it airs. it's not like he didn't have other flashbacks in 86. Of that time period, I mean. They were all shot where you don't see his face. Just shot this scene from behind.

BTW, as far as John being there in addition to Roman. The flashback is right after Roman hid the bonds. He is covering up the pavement on top of the sewer where he hid the bonds. Then Orpheus yells. It's Roman's flashback.

I'll bet my fourth ranch that how Marlena went from Orpheus to Stefano is not addressed at all. DeHoyo already said the explanation for his being alive is brief. But that is consistent with what they have recently done. I saw Andre's explanation last year.
Pretty much a couple of lines and that was it.
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Did Orpheus ever have the flashback or was it always just RoJohn?
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Sep 12 2016, 09:30 AM
I'm certainly not going to dispute that Days has a history of butchering history, but John Black's is another level. Everytime they do it again, I complain.
It looks to me what they are planning to do here is my idea of butchering history.
Roman Brady killed Orpheus' wife. Showing that flashback where you can see Drake's face and just acting like John did it is my idea of butchering history, so I'll probably complain.

Doesn't mean anything will come of it. Don't they film 6 months in advance? Doesn't mean Days won't do it again and again. I still won't like. I often wonder why they bother with the serial fiction format when they don't want to be constrained by it.

Corday really believes that? If he does, I'm curious why he'd bring back Orpheus or someone like Larry Welch.
Just concentrate on the recent past.

Just my opinion, nothing more. As I said, mileage varies. One person's butchering of history is another person's acceptable storytelling.
Well, it's not like us viewers have any power whatsoever in the equation. They'll butcher history over and over and we can either watch and accept it, watch and ignore it (pretend it never happened - I do that quite often with this how), or stop watching. The thing we can't to is change any of it.

There's a lot about the stuff in 86 that has been changed, like Orpheus having had Marlena and in 91 we find out Stefano had her, with no mention of how he got her or of Orpheus.

Evidence says Corday does believe that. He (and Josh Taylor) said in an interview that they didn't think having JT play
Roman mattered because nobody would remember Josh once played Chris because it was soooo long ago. (I am paraphrasing.) Corday loves to care about history when it suits him. When he wants to try to save his show he'll claim we all want to see the old faves, but that's really the only time he gives a shit.

I guess this will or might be another instance of them changing something and either we mind or we don't. I will probably end up being pissed about something else entirely, like Orpheus going after the teens, who I could care less about and J&M will once again not be the focus.

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Sep 12 2016, 10:51 AM
Did Orpheus ever have the flashback or was it always just RoJohn?
I thought both.
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