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| Kyrai | Sep 12 2016, 11:46 AM Post #81 |
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I watch a lot of old Days. And this sums up how I feel. I can re-watch and get annoyed, possibly even cringe at the plot holes and story flaws, but at the end of the day, if the story end up satisfying despite the flaws, then I'm happy. If I stopped based on plausibility, I'd have stopped watching ages ago. Now I will say that I'm finding stories since the originals have colored my enjoyment a bit. It's so hard for me to watch John/Kristen/Tony knowing that Tony is really Andre now. Not that I ever loved that trio outside of Aremid and Tony's brilliant plot for revenge, but I hate seeing Tony and thinking he is Andre that whole time (I try to ignore it). I rooted for Bo and Hope when she returned, and now I dislike Hope so much, I find myself wishing Bo had stayed with Billie or wonder what may have happened if they had gone another way altogether. And there are lots more examples I can think of. Someday the writers may have destroyed so much history that I don't even want to re-watch the stories, but I'm enjoying them till they do. As far as Drake's face being Roman's back in 86, it was majorly wrong then and didn't bother me more than a passing 'that doesn't really make sense', so I wouldn't make an issue of it now if I got a good story from it. I just hope we get a good story. It seems very promising, but it's getting hard for me to believe in the writers anymore. Edited by Kyrai, Sep 12 2016, 11:46 AM.
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| esp13 | Sep 12 2016, 11:57 AM Post #82 |
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Well, for what it's worth, it sounds like today Orpheus talks about wanting to kill Roman for killing his wife and then going after John and Marlena. Twitter is often a little unclear, so nothing is definite, but that sounds like they aren't changing the story of who actually killed Orpheus's wife. |
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| Rosebud | Sep 12 2016, 12:07 PM Post #83 |
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ITA about Aremid. Such a great umbrella story, but when they brought tony back I was mad. And I understood how Tony fans hated Reilly's Tony, and they probably deserved to get him back, but they didn't really bring back the old Tony anyway, they brought back Reilly's Tony. So I was doubly mad. And the whole Tony/Andre thing since has been a pointless charade for me. They ruined Aremid for nothing. I mean I guess I can still watch Aremid and enjoy it, but I have to erase the rewrites after that from my brain to do it. And watching Stefano alone in a room crying after reading "Tony's" diary, makes me see red. And I'm sure Tony fans who might watch Aremid are seeing red too. We all have our special sore spots, but I think we all have them. |
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| Jennifer1580 | Sep 12 2016, 12:28 PM Post #84 |
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Well you should be happy to know the fact that Roman killed Orpheus' wfe was acknowledged by Orpheus himself and he still wants to kill Roman because of it. History wasn't rewritten. He wants to kill Roman, Marlena and John. |
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| DJsMommy | Sep 12 2016, 12:43 PM Post #85 |
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Somebody here made it. I think it was Supergirl. I had saved it so I could look at it whenever. :blulaugh: |
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| Mitchapalooza | Sep 12 2016, 02:43 PM Post #86 |
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If JT was not Roman...DAYS would be able to tell a better story IMO. |
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| Mitchapalooza | Sep 12 2016, 02:46 PM Post #87 |
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I am actually surprised they are not re-writing this bit of history...props to them for having Orpheus wanting to kill all 3 of them. |
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| lancer | Sep 12 2016, 04:17 PM Post #88 |
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All RoJohn. We never saw any flashbacks from Orpheus. Rosebud, I am certainly with you about the Tony rewrite. That invalidated so manu 93 thru 95 scenes. Just the 2 of them, noone to pretend for. No way he can be Andre and Stefano knew along. Remember when they brought Tony back in 2002? Andre had died in Aremid an d Stefano had set it up. LOL, can you at least try a little? Stefano was good and had amnesia when Tony died. He didn't know about the plan until he read the diary. Your comments about the crying reading remond me of Al Rabin's old rule. Characters can lie to each other, but not the audience. Just like in 1988, there are multiple scenes where Stefano, in a room alone with nobody to pretend for, calls John Roman Brady. It's whether you like the retcon that determines the acceptance so often. Many Tony fans may have had the attitude, we don't care how it is done, fix Reilly's Tony. I wasn't that invested in Tony. I'm like, there is no way this guy was not Tony. Like or hate what Reilly did with him, but he didn't come back in 1993 evil. He was still basically good. It was a slow descent to evil. Now, it's believability may be contingent on how you felt about Tony in the first place. Delighted to give credit where credit is due. Orpheus said Roman Brady killed his wife and that he was first on his list. After that, he wants to go after John and Marlena as well, that's fine. No way Roman should be on the sidelines, though. Let's see how it plays out, but I'm happy to admit being wrong about them sticking with the original history so far, at least. There are minor quibbles like Orpheus talking about how smug the town is when he interacted with only a couple people. Or talking about how Roman acted like he owed the apology. But, to me, that is more like not dotting a couple is or not crossing a couple ts. They got the major thing right. |
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| Rosebud | Sep 12 2016, 06:36 PM Post #89 |
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Yep, IMO he ruins so many things. He's why we can't get a lot of good stories and flashbacks. |
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| Rosebud | Sep 12 2016, 06:52 PM Post #90 |
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Yes! Stefano was distraught at the moment Tony died too. And at his funeral. And it drove his revenge for a long time after. All of it not just happening in front of people he was trying to convince that it was indeed Tony that died.
I agree. I wasn't as invested in Tony either. So, it didn't bother me, like it did the Tony fans, that Tony was in love with this newfound Stefano daughter. And yep, just like with Kristen, Tony's descent was believable to me. It wasn't some overnight transformation, so I enjoyed it.
This was all they had to do for me, now they can go forward and leave JT's Roman off screen. I can believe that Orpheus feels he got revenge on Roman for killing his wife back in '86 and now he's more set on revenge for John killing him. Still can't figure out why he hates Marlena. |
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| lancer | Sep 12 2016, 09:27 PM Post #91 |
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Your last part is where we differ. I would most certainly not be okay with Roman being left out. I give them credit for what they did, but it shouldn't be just lip service. Like he said, Roman first for Rebecca. Rebecca trumps everything else. Whoever killed her should be at the top of his hit list. I also don't get it with marlena. She was a tool, nothing more. And it's not like she screwed up any of his plans. At least Steve and Kayla did that in Stockholm. Now, he completely ignored them in Salem. At least they foiled him. Marlene was just a captive and victim Lysine, I did think of something although it's ambiguous. It could be rojohn or Orpheus having the memory. Orpheus tries to recreate Rebecca's death. It's the same street. He has marlena run to ribbon the same way Rebecca ran to him. He then shoots her only he used a tranquilizer. Anyway, as she was running, for a few seconds, it goes back and forth between Rebecca running and Marlena running. That was someone's memory. I don't recall it being clear which one. And this one did not show the aftermath of the shooting where you saw Drake 's face. It was maybe 5 or 6 seconds of back and forth between marlena and Rebecca running. Just stating that might have been Orpheus remembering. I haven't seen that scene in years, though. Someone on YouTube has put up some Orpheus videos recently. Seen a few things, not that one. Saw the one where he was shot. Like DeHoyo said, died with his eyes open. Interesting that they taped it both ways. |
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| lysie | Sep 12 2016, 09:35 PM Post #92 |
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It doesn't make too much of a difference now, but if RoJohn was the one having the memory, they could have said the name was "wrong" because his memories were altered. I don't think Orpheus' thoughts and feelings need to be rational. He's insane. Trying to apply logic to him shouldn't work. |
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| Lovejm | Sep 12 2016, 09:35 PM Post #93 |
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I feel like Orpheus hates marlena because she's still alive basically. His wife is dead. She lived a long happy life with John. His kids probably grew up motherless and he wanted her to be their mother. She and John probably symbolize all he wanted his life to be. |
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| Rosebud | Sep 12 2016, 11:54 PM Post #94 |
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LOL that's why I made sure to say "for me" He said that? That's fine, he can go after him, but I'm just not interested in watching any of that play out. Besides, it really did already play out. In 1986. I don't really agree completely with that. Yes she was a means to an end, but she also stood up to him. She didn't ever give in or stop fighting him. She also made it home to her family. That might tick him off. |
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| Jennifer1580 | Sep 13 2016, 06:02 AM Post #95 |
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I think you're right. John and Marlena had their ups and downs but they still got the chance to have many years of love and happiness and the ultimate was to raise a family together. Even Roman didn't get to have that as long as John and Marlena have with each other. Losing his wife and his dream of a complete family has always been the fuel for his revenge. |
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| lancer | Sep 13 2016, 09:51 AM Post #96 |
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Yes, he said that on Monday's show. Roman first, for Rebecca. Then he said Marlena then John. He didn't mention Steve and kayla. Hey, to each his own. In my mind, it didn't play out in 1986 because Orpheus was going after the wrong guy. I'd think it would make him all the more anxious to go after the guy who really shot his wife. As far as Marlena, I still saw nothing that would engender the type of hatred he claims to feel for her now. But like all stories, what works for one person may not work for another. Like John remembering the name in the flashback wrong because his memories wee tampered with would be completely lame. He remembered all the details of the shooting, but not what Orpheus called him? Lame to me, works for lysie. |
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| Lovejm | Sep 13 2016, 10:24 AM Post #97 |
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I mean the guy isn't sane. I'm not going to try to rationalize his judgement. Last week Marlena was the person he hated the most and he wanted to hurt her in front of John. Yesterday he listed Roman, Marlena and John. It's pretty safe to say he kind of hates everyone and that's fine. He's a psychopath. The actor said in this interview he's after John, Marlena, Steve and Kayla. That's what I think this will be about. What is strange is he also said John as Roman killed the wife. Maybe he got that wrong. |
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| lysie | Sep 13 2016, 10:38 AM Post #98 |
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It depends on how it plays out. It hasn't yet. It may suck. It may not. But yesterday the big concern was they weren't going to mention Roman, and then they did. I'd just like to give it time to see what they do. Besides, he was remembering something he wasn't even there for so him remembering the wrong name doesn't seem any more lame to me than that lol. |
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| lancer | Sep 13 2016, 04:15 PM Post #99 |
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Hey, it's already been more accurate to history than I was expecting. Roman recognized him today. The interview, I don't get. Sure read to me like DeHoyo was saying John killed Rebecca. That was what fueled my conjecture. IMO, much better this way. Roman did it. I don't see Orpheus as much insane or psychotic as obsessed. Obsessed with a need to avenge his wifs death. A need to impart the same sort of pain as he felt. He was very meathodical and focused. In control of his emotions. No temper tantrums or flying rages. That was old Orpheus. Let's see what this Orpheus plays out. |
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| No1_ILoveLucyFan | Sep 13 2016, 04:36 PM Post #100 |
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IMO, Roman's involvement in this storyline should be Orpheus putting a bullet in his head for killing his wife. It'd be justice for Roman covering for Rafe & Hope, too. Fauxman didn't need to return in '97 - they should have left him as WN's version and dead off-screen permanently. No fanfare. Orpheus sees him, shoots him & steps over the corpse on his way to wreak havoc on the rest of Salem - especially John & Marlena and Steve & Kayla. Edited by No1_ILoveLucyFan, Sep 14 2016, 06:11 AM.
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