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Topic Started: Sep 12 2016, 12:30 AM (45,400 Views)
Jason47
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Hugo
Sep 17 2016, 01:10 AM
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Sep 17 2016, 12:55 AM
I saw on Camila's Instagram Story that both her & Jordi worked together today. They were dressed up at the Hernandez house set.
When did Jordi start taping last year? Is he in his second year under contract already?
September-ish, so just around a year. Just checked the DR archives, his casting was announced August 28, so he's past a year now.
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Sep 17 2016, 12:55 AM
I saw on Camila's Instagram Story that both her & Jordi worked together today. They were dressed up at the Hernandez house set.
When did Jordi start taping last year? Is he in his second year under contract already?
September-ish, so just around a year. Just checked the DR archives, his casting was announced August 28, so he's past a year now.
Thanks! I really don't feel Dario is needed on the canvas, what does he bring to the table? He's so unlikable.
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September-ish, so just around a year. Just checked the DR archives, his casting was announced August 28, so he's past a year now.
Thanks! I really don't feel Dario is needed on the canvas, what does he bring to the table? He's so unlikable.
Hopefully they see how what they're doing with him now isn't quite working and decide to change it.
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Sep 17 2016, 01:47 AM
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Thanks! I really don't feel Dario is needed on the canvas, what does he bring to the table? He's so unlikable.
Hopefully they see how what they're doing with him now isn't quite working and decide to change it.


Great way to put that, I don't mind Dario, I like him, but when he got sucked into the Summer, Brady, and now Nicole stuff that was SOOOOOooooooo terrible, it really pulled down his appeal to almost Zero.
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Sep 16 2016, 03:15 PM
Why did Dena and Ryan say they were going to do it a different way? How many different ways can they do a cancer story?

Agreed,

A surprise sibling is out....or having a baby for their DNA match...or whatever that is. Plus I really don't want to see one of my favorite characters go through that sort of HELL.... Adrienne,well I know it sounds cruel but I have never cared for her myself. So I suppose if they have to go do this road. She is a good choice in my book.
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Sep 16 2016, 06:19 PM
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Sep 16 2016, 01:39 PM
That looks like JE behind MBE with her hair up and the grey jacket. YAY! :)

I'm pretty sure it's Suzanne Rogers. :(

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Sep 13 2016, 10:06 AM
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I never saw Hope or Jen as passsive. :shrug:
Agreed. I can't see a young Jennifer refusing to tell Jack that she loved him because he hadn't met her on the roof at midnight because his clock was wrong. Same with Hope and Bo.
There were times Jennifer was passive, and these times were when JER was writing. Yes she ostensibly had a rough and tumble job but that rarely used in JER's stories. Her narrative role was always to react to what others did or what was going on around her. In the 90's she was being hurt by Jack, charmed by Peter, hurt by Laura, won over by Jack, reconciled with Laura, hurt by Peter, kidnapped by Peter. In the 2000's she grieved for Jack, was reunited with Jack (remember, by Bope, as she was incredibly pregnant), grieved for Jack again, frustrated by teenage Abby, comforted by Frankie, shocked and hurt by Jack. So I can't say she was never passive. JER loved to write her that way, it seemed.

However, during the majority of her existence, she has not been passive. Just because you're a good girl character does not mean automatically that you're passive. Jennifer was a runaway teenager who got into trouble. Then she was a spunky reporter who pursued Jack and also got into trouble. Then she did her working mom thing. Later in the 2000s she was the one who ran away with Abby to Ireland after Collin Murphy, instigating the second run of J&J. She had an active role in the dynamic with Jack at the Spectator. She slept with Collin. Then J&J had their little adventures after the second wedding. In the third run, while it was shitty to watch, she did make decisions about her relationship with Daniel and butt into JJ's relationship with Paige. And of course her addiction is her own doing.

I'm not going to run down Hope's (because I can't) but it's even more off to say she's passive, considering Bope's early adventures, Hope being a cop, sailing around the world, Princess Gina, Larry Welch, so on and so on. Considering we are all griping about her killing someone, you can't say Hope takes no action.

Grinds my gears when people seem to assume that just because you're not a badass bad girl, it means you're a passive princess.

As for Carrie, I do think she sometimes had a fairly passive narrative role under JER (which does not necessarily always reflect personality flaws, btw), because she was not really ever allowed to do unto Sami what Sami did unto her. But considering JER also wrote her as cheating on Austin with Mike, it's not wholly true either. And you can't complain about narratively passive heroines without referencing Marlena in the secret room and the cage (again, with no aspersions cast on Marlena's personality), and lots of people love that story.
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Sep 17 2016, 07:29 AM
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Sep 13 2016, 10:06 AM
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Sep 13 2016, 09:33 AM

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Agreed. I can't see a young Jennifer refusing to tell Jack that she loved him because he hadn't met her on the roof at midnight because his clock was wrong. Same with Hope and Bo.
There were times Jennifer was passive, and these times were when JER was writing. Yes she ostensibly had a rough and tumble job but that rarely used in JER's stories. Her narrative role was always to react to what others did or what was going on around her. In the 90's she was being hurt by Jack, charmed by Peter, hurt by Laura, won over by Jack, reconciled with Laura, hurt by Peter, kidnapped by Peter. In the 2000's she grieved for Jack, was reunited with Jack (remember, by Bope, as she was incredibly pregnant), grieved for Jack again, frustrated by teenage Abby, comforted by Frankie, shocked and hurt by Jack. So I can't say she was never passive. JER loved to write her that way, it seemed.

However, during the majority of her existence, she has not been passive. Just because you're a good girl character does not mean automatically that you're passive. Jennifer was a runaway teenager who got into trouble. Then she was a spunky reporter who pursued Jack and also got into trouble. Then she did her working mom thing. Later in the 2000s she was the one who ran away with Abby to Ireland after Collin Murphy, instigating the second run of J&J. She had an active role in the dynamic with Jack at the Spectator. She slept with Collin. Then J&J had their little adventures after the second wedding. In the third run, while it was shitty to watch, she did make decisions about her relationship with Daniel and butt into JJ's relationship with Paige. And of course her addiction is her own doing.

I'm not going to run down Hope's (because I can't) but it's even more off to say she's passive, considering Bope's early adventures, Hope being a cop, sailing around the world, Princess Gina, Larry Welch, so on and so on. Considering we are all griping about her killing someone, you can't say Hope takes no action.

Grinds my gears when people seem to assume that just because you're not a badass bad girl, it means you're a passive princess.

As for Carrie, I do think she sometimes had a fairly passive narrative role under JER (which does not necessarily always reflect personality flaws, btw), because she was not really ever allowed to do unto Sami what Sami did unto her. But considering JER also wrote her as cheating on Austin with Mike, it's not wholly true either. And you can't complain about narratively passive heroines without referencing Marlena in the secret room and the cage (again, with no aspersions cast on Marlena's personality), and lots of people love that story.
I don't think any of what you're listing is what would make a character passive. Carrie may not have done the things Sami did, but that's because she wasn't a manipulative bitch. She also didn't just sit back and cry while bad things happened to her. That's what would make her passive. Same with Marlena. She was victimized (which doesn't make her passive) but she didn't just sit back and chill while waiting to be rescued. She plotted and attempted escapes. I don't even think JER's Jennifer was particularly passive. The stuff with Peter wasn't passive. And while I don't think she was passive, I also don't think sleeping with someone is something that makes someone less passive. I think the more recent female leads have been more passive than anyone pre 2000s. That was one of the complaints about Sami specifically when she was Rafe.
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lysie
Sep 17 2016, 07:37 AM
I don't think any of what you're listing is what would make a character passive. Carrie may not have done the things Sami did, but that's because she wasn't a manipulative bitch. She also didn't just sit back and cry while bad things happened to her. That's what would make her passive. Same with Marlena. She was victimized (which doesn't make her passive) but she didn't just sit back and chill while waiting to be rescued. She plotted and attempted escapes. I don't even think JER's Jennifer was particularly passive. The stuff with Peter wasn't passive. And while I don't think she was passive, I also don't think sleeping with someone is something that makes someone less passive. I think the more recent female leads have been more passive than anyone pre 2000s. That was one of the complaints about Sami specifically when she was Rafe.
But Marlena didn't succeed. I was specifically trying not to say that she has a passive personality, but her narrative role was relatively passive in those stories. I can't think of much Jennifer did in the Peter triangle that instigated the major plot developments. Sleeping with Collin was narratively active because it was constructed as an act of sacrificial heroism, she was the one protecting Jack. I'm not going to argue now because I have class to teach really soon but this would be an interesting discussion for another time.
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DesignatedShelley
Sep 17 2016, 07:44 AM
lysie
Sep 17 2016, 07:37 AM
I don't think any of what you're listing is what would make a character passive. Carrie may not have done the things Sami did, but that's because she wasn't a manipulative bitch. She also didn't just sit back and cry while bad things happened to her. That's what would make her passive. Same with Marlena. She was victimized (which doesn't make her passive) but she didn't just sit back and chill while waiting to be rescued. She plotted and attempted escapes. I don't even think JER's Jennifer was particularly passive. The stuff with Peter wasn't passive. And while I don't think she was passive, I also don't think sleeping with someone is something that makes someone less passive. I think the more recent female leads have been more passive than anyone pre 2000s. That was one of the complaints about Sami specifically when she was Rafe.
But Marlena didn't succeed. I was specifically trying not to say that she has a passive personality, but her narrative role was relatively passive in those stories. I can't think of much Jennifer did in the Peter triangle that instigated the major plot developments. Sleeping with Collin was narratively active because it was constructed as an act of sacrificial heroism, she was the one protecting Jack. I'm not going to argue now because I have class to teach really soon but this would be an interesting discussion for another time.
I don't think success really has anything to do with the passive role though. I don't think victim and passive are synonymous.
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Sep 17 2016, 07:29 AM
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Sep 13 2016, 10:06 AM
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Sep 13 2016, 09:33 AM

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Agreed. I can't see a young Jennifer refusing to tell Jack that she loved him because he hadn't met her on the roof at midnight because his clock was wrong. Same with Hope and Bo.
There were times Jennifer was passive, and these times were when JER was writing. Yes she ostensibly had a rough and tumble job but that rarely used in JER's stories. Her narrative role was always to react to what others did or what was going on around her. In the 90's she was being hurt by Jack, charmed by Peter, hurt by Laura, won over by Jack, reconciled with Laura, hurt by Peter, kidnapped by Peter. In the 2000's she grieved for Jack, was reunited with Jack (remember, by Bope, as she was incredibly pregnant), grieved for Jack again, frustrated by teenage Abby, comforted by Frankie, shocked and hurt by Jack. So I can't say she was never passive. JER loved to write her that way, it seemed.

However, during the majority of her existence, she has not been passive. Just because you're a good girl character does not mean automatically that you're passive. Jennifer was a runaway teenager who got into trouble. Then she was a spunky reporter who pursued Jack and also got into trouble. Then she did her working mom thing. Later in the 2000s she was the one who ran away with Abby to Ireland after Collin Murphy, instigating the second run of J&J. She had an active role in the dynamic with Jack at the Spectator. She slept with Collin. Then J&J had their little adventures after the second wedding. In the third run, while it was shitty to watch, she did make decisions about her relationship with Daniel and butt into JJ's relationship with Paige. And of course her addiction is her own doing.

I'm not going to run down Hope's (because I can't) but it's even more off to say she's passive, considering Bope's early adventures, Hope being a cop, sailing around the world, Princess Gina, Larry Welch, so on and so on. Considering we are all griping about her killing someone, you can't say Hope takes no action.

Grinds my gears when people seem to assume that just because you're not a badass bad girl, it means you're a passive princess.

As for Carrie, I do think she sometimes had a fairly passive narrative role under JER (which does not necessarily always reflect personality flaws, btw), because she was not really ever allowed to do unto Sami what Sami did unto her. But considering JER also wrote her as cheating on Austin with Mike, it's not wholly true either. And you can't complain about narratively passive heroines without referencing Marlena in the secret room and the cage (again, with no aspersions cast on Marlena's personality), and lots of people love that story.
This is why I specified young Jennifer, who just wouldn't take no when Jack pushed her away. Carrie at the exact same age was always passive to the extreme. The example I used is I think the definitive one: rather than pluck up the courage to say "I love you, Austin," she went with this convoluted "if we don't both show up on the roof at midnight on New Year's that means we can never be together again." There's a lot of room between what she did and manipulating Sami like Sami manipulated her.

Carrie was still the same as an adult. Rather than say "Austin, the genetic testing shows that a child we conceive the old-fashioned way may have health problems," she pushed Austin away and married Lucas without advising Lucas that she didn't love him but just wanted his sperm-- that was easier for her than saying the two or three words that would have made Sami's scheme collapse around her.

To me stories where a character is physically confined are quite different from stories where a character refuses to take action without any restraints. If I were making a list if Carrie scenes I genuinely enjoyed, the scenes of Alan Harris kidnapping Carrie/Sami and the girls fighting to get away would be on it. They didn't get away on their own, but they-- especially Carrie-- fought. Sure, when all is revealed about Sami's schemes, Carrie will punch her in the face knowing the world will cheer her on. But when it comes to the more psychological stuff, and taking the tiniest risk, Carrie won't fight.

Being passive isn't necessarily a bad character trait, especially when it's only a trait that shows up some of the time. With Carrie it shows up all of the time and leaves her as someone who never drives her own narrative or takes control of her own life.

Perhaps most importantly, the show has never portrayed Carrie's passiveness is something worthy of mention or exploration. She and Austin always leave town right after the manipulations of Sami/Abby/whomever are revealed. It's never "Carrie, deal with your own role in this mess and what it is about you that put you in this position." It's always "the villain is gone, so everything is fine!"
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that sounds awful LOL

Of course Brady does something that backfires. Maybe I should be happy he isn't helping J&M

Hate the line that Deimos wants to protect the women and children. He doesn't even know them.
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There were times Jennifer was passive, and these times were when JER was writing. Yes she ostensibly had a rough and tumble job but that rarely used in JER's stories. Her narrative role was always to react to what others did or what was going on around her. In the 90's she was being hurt by Jack, charmed by Peter, hurt by Laura, won over by Jack, reconciled with Laura, hurt by Peter, kidnapped by Peter. In the 2000's she grieved for Jack, was reunited with Jack (remember, by Bope, as she was incredibly pregnant), grieved for Jack again, frustrated by teenage Abby, comforted by Frankie, shocked and hurt by Jack. So I can't say she was never passive. JER loved to write her that way, it seemed.

However, during the majority of her existence, she has not been passive. Just because you're a good girl character does not mean automatically that you're passive. Jennifer was a runaway teenager who got into trouble. Then she was a spunky reporter who pursued Jack and also got into trouble. Then she did her working mom thing. Later in the 2000s she was the one who ran away with Abby to Ireland after Collin Murphy, instigating the second run of J&J. She had an active role in the dynamic with Jack at the Spectator. She slept with Collin. Then J&J had their little adventures after the second wedding. In the third run, while it was shitty to watch, she did make decisions about her relationship with Daniel and butt into JJ's relationship with Paige. And of course her addiction is her own doing.

I'm not going to run down Hope's (because I can't) but it's even more off to say she's passive, considering Bope's early adventures, Hope being a cop, sailing around the world, Princess Gina, Larry Welch, so on and so on. Considering we are all griping about her killing someone, you can't say Hope takes no action.

Grinds my gears when people seem to assume that just because you're not a badass bad girl, it means you're a passive princess.

As for Carrie, I do think she sometimes had a fairly passive narrative role under JER (which does not necessarily always reflect personality flaws, btw), because she was not really ever allowed to do unto Sami what Sami did unto her. But considering JER also wrote her as cheating on Austin with Mike, it's not wholly true either. And you can't complain about narratively passive heroines without referencing Marlena in the secret room and the cage (again, with no aspersions cast on Marlena's personality), and lots of people love that story.
This is why I specified young Jennifer, who just wouldn't take no when Jack pushed her away. Carrie at the exact same age was always passive to the extreme. The example I used is I think the definitive one: rather than pluck up the courage to say "I love you, Austin," she went with this convoluted "if we don't both show up on the roof at midnight on New Year's that means we can never be together again." There's a lot of room between what she did and manipulating Sami like Sami manipulated her.

Carrie was still the same as an adult. Rather than say "Austin, the genetic testing shows that a child we conceive the old-fashioned way may have health problems," she pushed Austin away and married Lucas without advising Lucas that she didn't love him but just wanted his sperm-- that was easier for her than saying the two or three words that would have made Sami's scheme collapse around her.

To me stories where a character is physically confined are quite different from stories where a character refuses to take action without any restraints. If I were making a list if Carrie scenes I genuinely enjoyed, the scenes of Alan Harris kidnapping Carrie/Sami and the girls fighting to get away would be on it. They didn't get away on their own, but they-- especially Carrie-- fought. Sure, when all is revealed about Sami's schemes, Carrie will punch her in the face knowing the world will cheer her on. But when it comes to the more psychological stuff, and taking the tiniest risk, Carrie won't fight.

Being passive isn't necessarily a bad character trait, especially when it's only a trait that shows up some of the time. With Carrie it shows up all of the time and leaves her as someone who never drives her own narrative or takes control of her own life.

Perhaps most importantly, the show has never portrayed Carrie's passiveness is something worthy of mention or exploration. She and Austin always leave town right after the manipulations of Sami/Abby/whomever are revealed. It's never "Carrie, deal with your own role in this mess and what it is about you that put you in this position." It's always "the villain is gone, so everything is fine!"
Idk. I think you're taking very specific examples and generalizing them. Every character is passive at some times. Same in real life. I can give just as many or more examples of the opposite. Ultimately I don't think the word applies generally to any main character, though it may occasionally apply in certain stories or situations.
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Sep 17 2016, 11:24 AM
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The best "surprise" twist is that she's not pregnant at all. The initial test was wrong and she's been over eating because she thought she was having cravings therefore gaining some weight. Story done.

Honestly I can't think of any twist they could write that would make me like this story any better.
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Sep 17 2016, 11:24 AM
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Okay, that interview just makes me even more scared that this baby is going to be a Dickole baby. Please NO! NO, NO, NO! I would rather Nicole stay childless forever than have a Dickole baby! I just would! Not okay with that at all! NOOOOOOOOOO!
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Also Brady will mess up, victor will berate him for a fool and Brady will take it like a champ as always. Because he loves granddad
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Deimos is not relevant to the villains story.
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