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Topic Started: Sep 12 2016, 12:30 AM (45,399 Views)
Lovejm


This push to make Deimos appear as the head kiriakas makes me wonder if JA was going to or did retire. I feel like they're really showing Deimos as the new patriarch there. Which is totally ridiculous
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Maybe I am naive in thinking it can't be a Dickole baby but it sounds like the reveal happens when they go to get the paternity test results? I just assumed Philip would be revealed as the daddy with help from Kate, and later it would be revealed that neither are the father? He also makes it sound that Chloe has lied to Nicole.

“It’s complicated, interesting and a really good tale,” sums up Irizarry.

Well I tend to doubt that but I'll admit to being curious.

So if he can't forgive Chloe for keeping his kid from him, that means he shouldn't be able to forgive Nicole either! Here's hoping it sends him down a dark path and he becomes the badass he was when he first showed up.
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Sep 17 2016, 11:37 AM
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Sep 17 2016, 07:58 AM
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Sep 17 2016, 07:29 AM

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This is why I specified young Jennifer, who just wouldn't take no when Jack pushed her away. Carrie at the exact same age was always passive to the extreme. The example I used is I think the definitive one: rather than pluck up the courage to say "I love you, Austin," she went with this convoluted "if we don't both show up on the roof at midnight on New Year's that means we can never be together again." There's a lot of room between what she did and manipulating Sami like Sami manipulated her.

Carrie was still the same as an adult. Rather than say "Austin, the genetic testing shows that a child we conceive the old-fashioned way may have health problems," she pushed Austin away and married Lucas without advising Lucas that she didn't love him but just wanted his sperm-- that was easier for her than saying the two or three words that would have made Sami's scheme collapse around her.

To me stories where a character is physically confined are quite different from stories where a character refuses to take action without any restraints. If I were making a list if Carrie scenes I genuinely enjoyed, the scenes of Alan Harris kidnapping Carrie/Sami and the girls fighting to get away would be on it. They didn't get away on their own, but they-- especially Carrie-- fought. Sure, when all is revealed about Sami's schemes, Carrie will punch her in the face knowing the world will cheer her on. But when it comes to the more psychological stuff, and taking the tiniest risk, Carrie won't fight.

Being passive isn't necessarily a bad character trait, especially when it's only a trait that shows up some of the time. With Carrie it shows up all of the time and leaves her as someone who never drives her own narrative or takes control of her own life.

Perhaps most importantly, the show has never portrayed Carrie's passiveness is something worthy of mention or exploration. She and Austin always leave town right after the manipulations of Sami/Abby/whomever are revealed. It's never "Carrie, deal with your own role in this mess and what it is about you that put you in this position." It's always "the villain is gone, so everything is fine!"
Idk. I think you're taking very specific examples and generalizing them. Every character is passive at some times. Same in real life. I can give just as many or more examples of the opposite. Ultimately I don't think the word applies generally to any main character, though it may occasionally apply in certain stories or situations.
I'm not married to the word passive, but I do think that the show has been extraordinarily consistent about Carrie as a vessel to whom things happen rather than Carrie as an individual with strengths and weakness who does things. Everything is always Sami's fault. And I say this despite currently liking Carrie much more than I like Sami. I'd certainly rather see Carrie than Sami.
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Sep 17 2016, 11:51 AM
Maybe I am naive in thinking it can't be a Dickole baby but it sounds like the reveal happens when they go to get the paternity test results? I just assumed Philip would be revealed as the daddy with help from Kate, and later it would be revealed that neither are the father? He also makes it sound that Chloe has lied to Nicole.

“It’s complicated, interesting and a really good tale,” sums up Irizarry.

Well I tend to doubt that but I'll admit to being curious.

So if he can't forgive Chloe for keeping his kid from him, that means he shouldn't be able to forgive Nicole either! Here's hoping it sends him down a dark path and he becomes the badass he was when he first showed up.
The reveal could still happen under those circumstances if, upon seeing the tests results, Chloe pipes up "oh I forgot to mention that I agreed to be artificially inseminated with the Dicole baby but I thought it didn't take." Chloe's own mother gave Chloe up for adoption because she thought Chloe couldn't possibly be Craig's because apparently Nancy couldn't count. It may run in the family.
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Sep 17 2016, 11:53 AM
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Sep 17 2016, 11:37 AM
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Idk. I think you're taking very specific examples and generalizing them. Every character is passive at some times. Same in real life. I can give just as many or more examples of the opposite. Ultimately I don't think the word applies generally to any main character, though it may occasionally apply in certain stories or situations.
I'm not married to the word passive, but I do think that the show has been extraordinarily consistent about Carrie as a vessel to whom things happen rather than Carrie as an individual with strengths and weakness who does things. Everything is always Sami's fault. And I say this despite currently liking Carrie much more than I like Sami. I'd certainly rather see Carrie than Sami.
That's a victim though. Not passive. Passive would imply she just sits back and lets it happen. And while there are times she's done that, it's not the norm. She was the person WORKING (so not passive) to out Sami all through the 90s. She was a little more passive during her run in 2005/6 but not so much in 2011/2.

I don't disagree that she's the kind of character things happen to. I just don't agree that that means passive. I think having characters that things happen to is pretty important though, and I think the way Days has chosen to flip flop between victim and victimizer is one of their biggest characterization problems now.
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Lovejm
Sep 17 2016, 11:30 AM
Hate the line that Deimos wants to protect the women and children. He doesn't even know them.
They're really pushing the line between men and women with this group and it's icky. Yesterday when Brady/Theresa/Deimos left at the same time and Nicole stayed behind, Brady said to Deimos "what about Nicole?" and Deimos assured Brady that there was security tailing Nicole as if Nicole wasn't sitting right there. I'm quite sad that Nicole didn't point out that she was sitting right there, even if she already knew about the security and had agreed to it as a reasonable measure.

I guess it makes sense, since Victor is the patriarch and Victor is basically a raving misogynist whose constant stream of whore/slut gets brushed off as cute.
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lysie
Sep 17 2016, 11:42 AM
Deimos is not relevant to the villains story.
Deimos is not relevant period. He's fetch at this point.
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Sep 17 2016, 12:03 PM
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Sep 17 2016, 11:53 AM
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I'm not married to the word passive, but I do think that the show has been extraordinarily consistent about Carrie as a vessel to whom things happen rather than Carrie as an individual with strengths and weakness who does things. Everything is always Sami's fault. And I say this despite currently liking Carrie much more than I like Sami. I'd certainly rather see Carrie than Sami.
That's a victim though. Not passive. Passive would imply she just sits back and lets it happen. And while there are times she's done that, it's not the norm. She was the person WORKING (so not passive) to out Sami all through the 90s. She was a little more passive during her run in 2005/6 but not so much in 2011/2.

I don't disagree that she's the kind of character things happen to. I just don't agree that that means passive. I think having characters that things happen to is pretty important though, and I think the way Days has chosen to flip flop between victim and victimizer is one of their biggest characterization problems now.
I do think sitting back and letting it happen is the norm for her, more so than for any of the other basically good heroines over the years. There were literally years on end where Sami's schemes wouldn't have worked if Carrie had opened her mouth and had an actual conversation. You can argue that that's just Reilly's style of writing but it was also Carrie's heyday and the years when the adult version of her character crystallized. We're obviously not going to agree on that point and I'm sure neither of us wants to drag out a thousand examples and debate whether some are more significant than others.

I guess we also won't agree on victim/victimizer. I'm fine with the flip-flop as long as (1) everyone is held to the same standard rather than it being okay to cover up some crimes and not others and (2) each character has lines s/he won't cross, so may be a victim in some ways and victimizer in others.
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Lovejm
Sep 17 2016, 11:30 AM
that sounds awful LOL

Of course Brady does something that backfires. Maybe I should be happy he isn't helping J&M

Hate the line that Deimos wants to protect the women and children. He doesn't even know them.

It's hard to believe that this is John Black's son. SMH.
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Sep 17 2016, 11:39 AM
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Sep 17 2016, 11:24 AM
[twitter=VincentIrizarry/status/777178126585475072]
Okay, that interview just makes me even more scared that this baby is going to be a Dickole baby. Please NO! NO, NO, NO! I would rather Nicole stay childless forever than have a Dickole baby! I just would! Not okay with that at all! NOOOOOOOOOO!
And also that picture of Nicole is from when she confronted Eric at the police station after everyone found out that Kristen raped him. It only stirs up my ire that they use that picture. It just does.

Or it might have been from the confrontation in the church santuary. But it's from that time period either way.
Edited by jennmarie, Sep 17 2016, 12:33 PM.
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Sep 17 2016, 12:12 PM
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Sep 17 2016, 12:03 PM
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Sep 17 2016, 11:53 AM

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That's a victim though. Not passive. Passive would imply she just sits back and lets it happen. And while there are times she's done that, it's not the norm. She was the person WORKING (so not passive) to out Sami all through the 90s. She was a little more passive during her run in 2005/6 but not so much in 2011/2.

I don't disagree that she's the kind of character things happen to. I just don't agree that that means passive. I think having characters that things happen to is pretty important though, and I think the way Days has chosen to flip flop between victim and victimizer is one of their biggest characterization problems now.
I do think sitting back and letting it happen is the norm for her, more so than for any of the other basically good heroines over the years. There were literally years on end where Sami's schemes wouldn't have worked if Carrie had opened her mouth and had an actual conversation. You can argue that that's just Reilly's style of writing but it was also Carrie's heyday and the years when the adult version of her character crystallized. We're obviously not going to agree on that point and I'm sure neither of us wants to drag out a thousand examples and debate whether some are more significant than others.

I guess we also won't agree on victim/victimizer. I'm fine with the flip-flop as long as (1) everyone is held to the same standard rather than it being okay to cover up some crimes and not others and (2) each character has lines s/he won't cross, so may be a victim in some ways and victimizer in others.
I don't agree with your assessment of the 90s. Carrie opened her mouth about Sami a lot. No one would believe her, so she'd prove it. In their stories, Austin is the one I'd say was passive. And I never quite understood why she was so willing to be with him when he was so willing to be with Sami.

I'd be okay with the flip flop too if they ever did it well, but I don't think they ever have.
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Sep 17 2016, 12:03 PM
Lovejm
Sep 17 2016, 11:30 AM
Hate the line that Deimos wants to protect the women and children. He doesn't even know them.
They're really pushing the line between men and women with this group and it's icky. Yesterday when Brady/Theresa/Deimos left at the same time and Nicole stayed behind, Brady said to Deimos "what about Nicole?" and Deimos assured Brady that there was security tailing Nicole as if Nicole wasn't sitting right there. I'm quite sad that Nicole didn't point out that she was sitting right there, even if she already knew about the security and had agreed to it as a reasonable measure.

I guess it makes sense, since Victor is the patriarch and Victor is basically a raving misogynist whose constant stream of whore/slut gets brushed off as cute.
I have a feeling you're going to appreciate something I just wrote for my fanfic.

I can't say I automatically thought about it, but since you mentioned it I agree that the whole men taking care of the little woman thing is annoying. I don't know that they were thinking it would come off that way, but the women obviously need a voice. They can be scared without being minimized I think.
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jennmarie
Sep 17 2016, 12:32 PM
And also that picture of Nicole is from when she confronted Eric at the police station after everyone found out that Kristen raped him. It only stirs up my ire that they use that picture. It just does.
Me too, I was like why did they use that picture? To rub salt in the wound?
:flipoff: Griffith, Higley, Corday, Meng, whoever decided to get rid of Eric and Ericole.
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Sep 17 2016, 12:49 PM
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Sep 17 2016, 12:32 PM
And also that picture of Nicole is from when she confronted Eric at the police station after everyone found out that Kristen raped him. It only stirs up my ire that they use that picture. It just does.
Me too, I was like why did they use that picture? To rub salt in the wound?
:flipoff: Griffith, Higley, Corday, Meng, whoever decided to get rid of Eric and Ericole.
Well and also, it just reminds those of us that were SO into them...or still are...what really chemistry is and that Deimos and Nicole aren't even close to what Ericole were!
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Sep 17 2016, 03:03 AM
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Sep 16 2016, 03:15 PM
Why did Dena and Ryan say they were going to do it a different way? How many different ways can they do a cancer story?

Agreed,

A surprise sibling is out....or having a baby for their DNA match...or whatever that is. Plus I really don't want to see one of my favorite characters go through that sort of HELL.... Adrienne,well I know it sounds cruel but I have never cared for her myself. So I suppose if they have to go do this road. She is a good choice in my book.
If Adrienne is the one given the cancer story, she will bring everything she has to it. I love Judi Evans and her character of Adrienne and she has been short-changed far to long for my liking.

Dena has never done Adrienne and/or Justin any favors, so if this turns out to be Adrienne's story, I would be very, very upset if she had Adrienne die in the story, so I hope the story goes to someone else, just in case Dena does just that.There is no doubt in my mind that this would be the case.

Adrienne and Justin still have a hugh following and I am right at the top of this list. They both need a compelling story to get them back on screen, as they well deserve to be there along side J/M, and S/K, for sure.

I so envy the fans of J/M and S/K because they can still watch their favorites on Day's. I haven't had that option for my favorites Justin & Adrienne.
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Sep 17 2016, 12:27 PM
Lovejm
Sep 17 2016, 11:30 AM
that sounds awful LOL

Of course Brady does something that backfires. Maybe I should be happy he isn't helping J&M

Hate the line that Deimos wants to protect the women and children. He doesn't even know them.

It's hard to believe that this is John Black's son. SMH.
Maybe that's why the show like to pretend that he's Victor and Maggie's child. :blulaugh:
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Looks like Missy worked yesterday and this week:

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Sep 17 2016, 03:14 PM
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Sep 17 2016, 12:27 PM
Lovejm
Sep 17 2016, 11:30 AM
that sounds awful LOL

Of course Brady does something that backfires. Maybe I should be happy he isn't helping J&M

Hate the line that Deimos wants to protect the women and children. He doesn't even know them.

It's hard to believe that this is John Black's son. SMH.
Maybe that's why the show like to pretend that he's Victor and Maggie's child. :blulaugh:

I haven't had any use for Brady since he hooked with his father's ex and betrayed his mother(Marlena) after everything Kristen did to her.
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Sep 14 2016, 05:44 PM
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Sep 14 2016, 05:25 PM
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Looks like a college story. My money is on Ciara unfortunately.
I was hoping for Claire.
Claire having an affair with her professor? Wouldn't that be very Evans of her ;) Except grandma wasn't 18 and baby faced. And it was seemingly a relationship.
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