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| Monday, September 19th Episode Discussion | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 18 2016, 02:31 PM (13,238 Views) | |
| moniker11 | Sep 19 2016, 02:07 PM Post #181 |
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Such a polite way of saying I'm sure John doesn't care what Roman or the SPD wants. He's going to take care of this problem himself. |
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| lysie | Sep 19 2016, 02:11 PM Post #182 |
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I don't mind Paul as John's son and I don't feel like the lack of stuff with Brady and Eric is due to him. However, just because I don't mind it, doesn't mean I love it or think it was needed. It was about as undramatic as it gets. I'd kind of like it if it turned out he was a plant of some sort. If he's not, I prefer the relationship they have. I love family drama but I don't need it coming from a rando. |
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| Lovejm | Sep 19 2016, 02:13 PM Post #183 |
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If he wasn't Asian he would have been a great plant as one of Orpheus' kids. Not sure how they could pull that off though now. |
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| PatNS | Sep 19 2016, 02:15 PM Post #184 |
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There sure seemed to be a lot of anvils falling today leading me to think that John Aniston is departing the show and that Victor will be no more. Perhaps he wants to retire and I can't say that I'd blame him. I'm just afraid his departure would mean weeks on end of Maggie weeping followed by endless discussions about what a saint the man was you ... you know, kind of like what we've endured since Dan died. I don't think I could handle that. Loved the Rafe and Gabi scenes. They've always had a great brother / sister chemistry - they're just so natural together. Um Rafe, why would you ask Dario where he's working? Isn't he supposed to be running Club TBD or did Eduardo sell the place already. As for Dario I just have one thing to say - SHUT UP! I liked the scenes between John and Eduardo. Eduardo didn't have to say word, John figured out everything from the little Ed told him. Paul and John - seriously ... this is how they plan on catching the bad guys - sitting in front of a laptop using tracking software. You can't track someone when you don't have a stinking clue where they are ... sheesh. Come on be adventurous, live on the edge ... go out and actually look for these guys. Deimos, Philip, Maggie and Chloe - wash, rinse, recycle, repeat. They've said all this stuff a hundred times before. Although I have to admit they gave Philip some good one liners today! Goodness, Claire is a little spitfire. I think she finally got that Marlena was really concerned for her safety but somehow I don't think that's going to stop Claire from doing exactly what she wants to do, to hell with the danger. She's a typical teen, they think they're invincible - that nothing bad can happen to them. |
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| peaches179 | Sep 19 2016, 02:19 PM Post #185 |
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Marlena should have been dealing with Miss Claire a long time ago.lol Love the way she handled her. I just love Orpheus. Edited by peaches179, Sep 19 2016, 02:20 PM.
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| Ocean | Sep 19 2016, 02:21 PM Post #186 |
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Hey Dario, can you please just shut up and stop treating your father is like he's a piece of garbage? You don't like him,so pack your damn clothes and leave salem. You're useless jerk doing nothing but stocking people for dirty money.
Edited by Ocean, Sep 19 2016, 02:51 PM.
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| moniker11 | Sep 19 2016, 02:28 PM Post #187 |
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Because the John from 2007 on hasn't ever really cared about the law. He cares about justice, revenge, you reap what you sow and that anything to protect family is not only okay but completely justified. John's a white hat. He's not into senseless violence or committing crimes for profit or to better his station in life but Stefano has definitely left his mark. The truth about his father pushed it even further. He's an assassin. That's how he thinks and that's what he's accepted about himself. Eduardo is the same which is why they work so well together. As far as John's concerned Eduardo protected his family and the guy threatening them/him got exactly what he deserved. Now Orpheus is on the scene threatening Marlena. He has no intention of sitting on the sideline waiting for Roman to take care of things and though he may not say it aloud he'd prefer Orpheus being dead to being back in prison. He's going to do whatever he has to to protect his family. Back in the day John wouldn't kill unless he had to. These days it's a 1A/1B kinda situation. Personally I prefer this John. It's far more true to his vast history as the Pawn. That doesn't mean I want pyscho John killing the villains in cold blood but if they went that way, especially if Marlena or one of their kids as witness that would be a really interesting story aftermath. Though I prefer that the villains get away to wreak havoc another day. |
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| peaches179 | Sep 19 2016, 02:30 PM Post #188 |
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I wish Marlena would have said your grandpa instead of John. But I enjoyed their scenes. |
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| moniker11 | Sep 19 2016, 02:34 PM Post #189 |
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If someday they wanted to write a story where Paul is not in fact John's son I'd be down with it. Paul was supposed to be a plant by Stefano but the bastard died before he could finish the brainwashing or something like that. At this point I don't think either one would care if they're biologically related because they've in effect claimed each other. John's his dad, Paul's his son and a paternity test isn't going to change how they feel about each other. For me there's tons of things to get mad about regarding this show and particularly John's relationships with his other children, Sami, Eric, and Brady specifically. I like CS the actor, and Paul the character so it's easy to roll with but I can see why not everyone feels this way. |
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| PetrovaSalvatore | Sep 19 2016, 02:37 PM Post #190 |
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.
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I have no problem with Paul being Asian, but if he wasn't I agree this would be the perfect opportunity to make him J&M so long awaited 87 child!!!. It would be perfect Paul shows up in Salem, we are lead to believe he's John's son with some rando, he connects with the whole family including Eric, he's the same lovable Paul striving to be a hero like his dad, w/exactly the same characteristics he has now and now with Orpheus in town this would be the perfect time for the big reveal!!! DUM DUM DUM DUM!!! He's John and Marlena's son from when she was taken back in 1987!! Marlena was pregnant and didn't know it at the time. ;) But that of course would only work if CS wasn't playing Paul. |
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| Rosebud | Sep 19 2016, 02:44 PM Post #191 |
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What happened to him since 2007 that makes you say that he's changed from caring about the law to not caring? I guess I missed it. I don't think of John as an assassin. Marlena saved him from that fate. |
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| Amazee-Dayzee | Sep 19 2016, 02:46 PM Post #192 |
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Claire refers to John as "grandpa". It would be nice is she could refer to Hope as "grandma" and not just "my friend's mother" (i.e. her aunt) |
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| PetrovaSalvatore | Sep 19 2016, 02:47 PM Post #193 |
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.
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It's strange cause the only other kid that John has bonded with that way (the adult versions anyway because Drake was amazing with all the kids actors who played Carrie, Sami, Eric, Belle & Brady) But the only ones he bonded in such a deep way in their adult forms were Carrie, Belle and now Paul. they never did much with his relationship with JA's Eric or GV's version. And don't get me started on Brady... he was a petulant rebel in 2000's and even when he became good Brady ended up moving out and living at the Kiriakis Mansion (the beginning of Brady Kiriakis... :rolleyes: ) I liked the relationship he was developing with EM's Brady circa-2008/09 but they quickly ruined that after J/M's return in 2011. Edited by PetrovaSalvatore, Sep 19 2016, 02:53 PM.
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| Ocean | Sep 19 2016, 02:49 PM Post #194 |
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My dear Orpheus, Xander doesn't need a shirt to put on and go after his enemies. He's fine with his undershirt or no shirt on.
Edited by Ocean, Sep 19 2016, 02:54 PM.
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| bygnedys | Sep 19 2016, 02:53 PM Post #195 |
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Thank you JCP.
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The only nickname I can come up with for them is the "Cox" gang. That doesn't sound very good but unless I or someone can come up with a catchy name. Sorry, I muted R. and G. and listened for Orpheus or Xander or Marlena and John when I was out of the room. |
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| peaches179 | Sep 19 2016, 03:03 PM Post #196 |
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I know Claire says it, that's why I thought it was strange when Marlena said "John" instead of "grandpa." And I agree about Hope. |
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| Lovejm | Sep 19 2016, 03:03 PM Post #197 |
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| Rosebud | Sep 19 2016, 03:05 PM Post #198 |
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I know she has said "grandpa John" but has she ever just said "grandpa"? |
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| Cimz | Sep 19 2016, 03:07 PM Post #199 |
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I hate saying anything nice about Alison Sweeney at this point... but I thought her chemistry with Drake was off the charts and I absolutely bought a deep relationship between her Sami and John at various times. I loved that before the 1999 J/M wedding it was Sami begging Eric to let go of his anger and give J/M his blessing rather than the other way around. I loved Sami telling John that she started to understand about real love when she overheard him say he hated grape jelly and knew that he only ate it in the park with her on the day after her birthday every year because he loved her. I adored the time when Sami and John didn't want Belle to hear bad news about Marlena so Sami threw a tantrum about how John was refusing to pay for her honeymoon to cover (as Lucas had just publicly proposed), and when Belle bought it John asked if Sami was sure she wan't really his kid. And then Sami went and named her son after John, too. It was there. It was just that every time there was a need for conflict, Sami regressed and screeched and generally became insufferable. I thought the chemistry was there with Jensen's Eric, too, during the Eric/Greta period... Greta was all about John, so Eric was in John's orbit more when they were running around chasing Princess Gina and crashing on topical islands. Somewhere in there there's an action sequence where John saved Eric's life. That dynamic could have stayed. It should have stayed. But Eric vanished for a decade plus and the writing for Greg's Eric relating to John was... weird. Edited by Cimz, Sep 19 2016, 03:08 PM.
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| moniker11 | Sep 19 2016, 03:09 PM Post #200 |
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The car accident, his death and then his time as John DiMera changed him. Going to jail for crime he didn't commit, returning to the ISA because being a cop wasn't enough, and then finding out about his dad. They haven't flat out said John's remembered his past. I bet most is lost forever but bits and pieces seem to be leaking out right now. John Black wouldn't know the Chinese word for phantom, but the assassin he used to be did. John Black from 20 years ago wouldn't have snapped the guard's neck when trying to rescue Paul. To me, it looked like he hesitated but in the end realized that leaving the guard behind alive was a liability that could come back to bite him. He could have just tried to knock him out or choke him out and use his chain to lock him up but he didn't. John snapped his neck and had he not been carrying Paul or outnumbered he would have done serious damage to his father's henchmen. Like I said this is all my headcanon based on the way they're writing him but John seems to have embraced who and what he used to be. It's partly why he's so comfortable with Eduardo and why he flat out said today it takes an assassin trained the way they were to contain this exact type of scenario. His training for that would have been to eliminate the problem, not restrain it till the cops arrive. He knows exactly what type of man Orpheus is and the danger he is to his family. John's not a cop and he's not going to behave like one with Marlena's life on the line. |
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