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Monday, September 19th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Sep 18 2016, 02:31 PM (13,235 Views)
Cimz


glamarama
Sep 19 2016, 04:39 PM
lysie
Sep 19 2016, 04:23 PM
Have we always known the prison was named Dixon Correctional?
Federal pen. Isn't there also Statesville?
Yeah, 90% of the time we get references to Statesville.
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lysie


Well. Does anyone know where the full episode is? The Daily Motion site got cut into, too.
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Tammy
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I know it's petty but I HATE when soap characters don't refer to people in their family with the title that they deserve!

Like Claire calling Ciara her friend... NO she's your Aunt! I understand not calling her "Aunt Ciara" because of the close age... but when she is referencing her... she should be your Aunt NOT your friend!

Like when the Brady kids would call Kayla by her name and not "Aunt Kayla"

This stuff really irks me! lol
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I had to shake my head at Rafe when Gabi asked him to look out for JJ. He's like why should I, he's a good cop etc. he can take care of himself What a douche.
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Tammy
Sep 19 2016, 04:44 PM
I know it's petty but I HATE when soap characters don't refer to people in their family with the title that they deserve!

Like Claire calling Ciara her friend... NO she's your Aunt! I understand not calling her "Aunt Ciara" because of the close age... but when she is referencing her... she should be your Aunt NOT your friend!

Like when the Brady kids would call Kayla by her name and not "Aunt Kayla"

This stuff really irks me! lol
I don't disagree in general, but I don't think it would be all that normal for Claire to refer to Ciara as her aunt. It's been my experience that that's typically pretty awkward when the age differences are so close.
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

Lovejm
Sep 19 2016, 04:36 PM
peaches179
Sep 19 2016, 04:30 PM
Lovejm
Sep 19 2016, 04:14 PM

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I think the poster was just making a reference to it given that Claire seems to want to come and go as she please.
Claire actually says sign in sign out. Made me think of the early John Black sign in sheet Marlena hated
Oh back in '86 when he was hired for security at the hospital when they had the rapist on the loose. she hated his sing in/ sign out sheets LOL haha xD!! Now I get it!!!!!!!! :blulaugh: :blulaugh:
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Sep 19 2016, 04:31 PM
moniker11
Sep 19 2016, 03:09 PM
Rosebud
Sep 19 2016, 02:44 PM

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The car accident, his death and then his time as John DiMera changed him. Going to jail for crime he didn't commit, returning to the ISA because being a cop wasn't enough, and then finding out about his dad. They haven't flat out said John's remembered his past. I bet most is lost forever but bits and pieces seem to be leaking out right now. John Black wouldn't know the Chinese word for phantom, but the assassin he used to be did. John Black from 20 years ago wouldn't have snapped the guard's neck when trying to rescue Paul. To me, it looked like he hesitated but in the end realized that leaving the guard behind alive was a liability that could come back to bite him. He could have just tried to knock him out or choke him out and use his chain to lock him up but he didn't. John snapped his neck and had he not been carrying Paul or outnumbered he would have done serious damage to his father's henchmen.

Like I said this is all my headcanon based on the way they're writing him but John seems to have embraced who and what he used to be. It's partly why he's so comfortable with Eduardo and why he flat out said today it takes an assassin trained the way they were to contain this exact type of scenario. His training for that would have been to eliminate the problem, not restrain it till the cops arrive. He knows exactly what type of man Orpheus is and the danger he is to his family. John's not a cop and he's not going to behave like one with Marlena's life on the line.
I agree, that's your "headcannon". I disagree with that. I haven't seen John voice any of that on screen. Yes, John is capable of being the soldier Stefano created but the whole point of his life once he found Marlena was that she saved him from being that soldier and she is the one that broke him of the same fate in 2008. He would have no problem killing Orpheus to save Marlena but he wouldn't do what Eduardo did. I think this is a shift in the writing, the same writing that makes Hope and Rafe the good guys for killing Stefano and covering it up. It's not who John has ever been... until now I guess. It's sad.
My show was pre-empted today so I didn't get to see it yet but I have read the transcript. Read the exchange between John and Eduardo. John laid out the whole process Eduardo went through. He couldn't get at his guy inside but waited till he was being transferred and then killed him. This was one of the last scenes I had today but he didn't seem like a guy remotely concerned that Ed killed a man. He didn't narc him out to the cops. In fact he goes so far as to say he'll cover for him.

Nothing about their conversation today and their plan to work together to get these guys implies that they're remotely concerned about working within the confines of the law or upset that Ed murdered a man. 'It wasn't a bad plan, it was just bad luck.' That's canon now. This is who John is now. My headcanon is looking less interpretive.

As for being canon in the past, John's done some shady things. Or at least from the viewpoint of take care of family first, worry about the law second. This is a continuation of that. Maybe more extreme than you'd prefer but they've shown this side of John before.
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PetrovaSalvatore
Sep 19 2016, 04:16 PM
Lovejm
Sep 19 2016, 04:14 PM
DocandJohn4ever
Sep 19 2016, 03:46 PM
I see Claire is not a fan of sign in/ sign out sheets either :lol:

Thanks for posting the recap Pat my feed got preempted by the news so I missed the entire last half of the show
That has to be a coincidence right? No way they remembered that.
When did Marlena say that? I'm blanking on what scene or what year that was?
1986 when John first came to town she argued with him time and time again over him making her use a sign in/sign out sheet during the hospital rapist storyline
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moniker11
Sep 19 2016, 04:49 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 04:31 PM
moniker11
Sep 19 2016, 03:09 PM

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I agree, that's your "headcannon". I disagree with that. I haven't seen John voice any of that on screen. Yes, John is capable of being the soldier Stefano created but the whole point of his life once he found Marlena was that she saved him from being that soldier and she is the one that broke him of the same fate in 2008. He would have no problem killing Orpheus to save Marlena but he wouldn't do what Eduardo did. I think this is a shift in the writing, the same writing that makes Hope and Rafe the good guys for killing Stefano and covering it up. It's not who John has ever been... until now I guess. It's sad.
My show was pre-empted today so I didn't get to see it yet but I have read the transcript. Read the exchange between John and Eduardo. John laid out the whole process Eduardo went through. He couldn't get at his guy inside but waited till he was being transferred and then killed him. This was one of the last scenes I had today but he didn't seem like a guy remotely concerned that Ed killed a man. He didn't narc him out to the cops. In fact he goes so far as to say he'll cover for him.

Nothing about their conversation today and their plan to work together to get these guys implies that they're remotely concerned about working within the confines of the law or upset that Ed murdered a man. 'It wasn't a bad plan, it was just bad luck.' That's canon now. This is who John is now. My headcanon is looking less interpretive.

As for being canon in the past, John's done some shady things. Or at least from the viewpoint of take care of family first, worry about the law second. This is a continuation of that. Maybe more extreme than you'd prefer but they've shown this side of John before.
Regardless of what John decides to do now, I'm not sure where you're getting that he's a changed man because of the accident and robot years.
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It seems like all people in the same time zone's weren't preempted. Kinda odd. :blink:
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Sep 19 2016, 03:53 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 03:49 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 03:23 PM

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Agree I did love Drake's fatherly chemistry with Ali, especially with Christie but let's talk about Ali S. right now, i did like most of their scenes when they weren't at odds. I blame Reilly for Sami's hatred of John cause once he was out of the picture she began seeing him as a father figure in 1998-2003, and then Reilly came back and Sami hated John again for no reason at all. It wasn't until Reilly was out again in 2006 that we started getting nice John/Sami scenes again like when the phone call scene when John went of to save Marlena and they met Smokey Robinson. And from 2007 onwards we had great John/Sami scenes. "You're my dad too..."
I definitely 100% blame JER for the great regression of 2003-2006, it made no sense at all, and he should have known better. I guess he was determined to reset Lucas/Sami/Austin/Carrie back to 1997.
LOL, true, but the glorious "are you sure you aren't my kid?" scene did sneak through somehow. I will forever be annoyed that Charity Rahmer's non-Belle was in that scene messing it up.
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I liked Phillips line, "Brady and Theresa moved in here? Seriously?"

The villains saved this episode for me. Otherwise a lot of it was unwatchable. I did like Chloe and Claire.
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moniker11
Sep 19 2016, 04:49 PM
Rosebud
Sep 19 2016, 04:31 PM
moniker11
Sep 19 2016, 03:09 PM

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I agree, that's your "headcannon". I disagree with that. I haven't seen John voice any of that on screen. Yes, John is capable of being the soldier Stefano created but the whole point of his life once he found Marlena was that she saved him from being that soldier and she is the one that broke him of the same fate in 2008. He would have no problem killing Orpheus to save Marlena but he wouldn't do what Eduardo did. I think this is a shift in the writing, the same writing that makes Hope and Rafe the good guys for killing Stefano and covering it up. It's not who John has ever been... until now I guess. It's sad.
My show was pre-empted today so I didn't get to see it yet but I have read the transcript. Read the exchange between John and Eduardo. John laid out the whole process Eduardo went through. He couldn't get at his guy inside but waited till he was being transferred and then killed him. This was one of the last scenes I had today but he didn't seem like a guy remotely concerned that Ed killed a man. He didn't narc him out to the cops. In fact he goes so far as to say he'll cover for him.

Nothing about their conversation today and their plan to work together to get these guys implies that they're remotely concerned about working within the confines of the law or upset that Ed murdered a man. 'It wasn't a bad plan, it was just bad luck.' That's canon now. This is who John is now. My headcanon is looking less interpretive.

As for being canon in the past, John's done some shady things. Or at least from the viewpoint of take care of family first, worry about the law second. This is a continuation of that. Maybe more extreme than you'd prefer but they've shown this side of John before.
They did it with mercenary John. They did it when he worked with Bo over the Lockhart/Wells thing too. I don't doubt now that John will not stay within the confines of the law to keep Marlena and the kids safe. I don't think he's different now though. This is same old John for me.
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Perhaps it's just me... but I don't think John is any different now then he's ever been. John never gave a damn about the law when it came to protecting someone he loves!

He was different during the RoBoJohn years... but even then Marlena was able to talk him down from hurting anyone.
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About John and Eduardo, I tend to think he doesn't really care about Eduardo's problems today. They have enough of their own. So wasting time messing with Eduardo's problem would annoy me.
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lysie
Sep 19 2016, 04:52 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 04:49 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 04:31 PM

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My show was pre-empted today so I didn't get to see it yet but I have read the transcript. Read the exchange between John and Eduardo. John laid out the whole process Eduardo went through. He couldn't get at his guy inside but waited till he was being transferred and then killed him. This was one of the last scenes I had today but he didn't seem like a guy remotely concerned that Ed killed a man. He didn't narc him out to the cops. In fact he goes so far as to say he'll cover for him.

Nothing about their conversation today and their plan to work together to get these guys implies that they're remotely concerned about working within the confines of the law or upset that Ed murdered a man. 'It wasn't a bad plan, it was just bad luck.' That's canon now. This is who John is now. My headcanon is looking less interpretive.

As for being canon in the past, John's done some shady things. Or at least from the viewpoint of take care of family first, worry about the law second. This is a continuation of that. Maybe more extreme than you'd prefer but they've shown this side of John before.
Regardless of what John decides to do now, I'm not sure where you're getting that he's a changed man because of the accident and robot years.
I'm not saying those years specifically changed him. I'm saying those years, plus his recent experience finding out about Winterthorne and his father has changed him. That it wasn't just one day he's okay being a mercenary or assassin. That this evolution of John Black wasn't sudden but gradual and has led to today.

Each step along the way changed him slightly till today and here we are. To me this isn't an overnight retcon of his character that's changed who he is fundamentally. There's always been this aspect to him. Now it seems the writers have decided to be a little more overt about it but the path for this has been laid out and followed for years.
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moniker11
Sep 19 2016, 05:08 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 04:49 PM

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Regardless of what John decides to do now, I'm not sure where you're getting that he's a changed man because of the accident and robot years.
I'm not saying those years specifically changed him. I'm saying those years, plus his recent experience finding out about Winterthorne and his father has changed him. That it wasn't just one day he's okay being a mercenary or assassin. That this evolution of John Black wasn't sudden but gradual and has led to today.

Each step along the way changed him slightly till today and here we are. To me this isn't an overnight retcon of his character that's changed who he is fundamentally. There's always been this aspect to him. Now it seems the writers have decided to be a little more overt about it but the path for this has been laid out and followed for years.
I don't think he has changed, but I really don't think we're supposed to think any of that stuff has changed him. :shrug:
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Those were knuckle push-ups Xander was doing! I'm glad he'll be extra well prepared if he has to punch someone sometime soon.
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moniker11
Sep 19 2016, 04:49 PM
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I agree, that's your "headcannon". I disagree with that. I haven't seen John voice any of that on screen. Yes, John is capable of being the soldier Stefano created but the whole point of his life once he found Marlena was that she saved him from being that soldier and she is the one that broke him of the same fate in 2008. He would have no problem killing Orpheus to save Marlena but he wouldn't do what Eduardo did. I think this is a shift in the writing, the same writing that makes Hope and Rafe the good guys for killing Stefano and covering it up. It's not who John has ever been... until now I guess. It's sad.
My show was pre-empted today so I didn't get to see it yet but I have read the transcript. Read the exchange between John and Eduardo. John laid out the whole process Eduardo went through. He couldn't get at his guy inside but waited till he was being transferred and then killed him. This was one of the last scenes I had today but he didn't seem like a guy remotely concerned that Ed killed a man. He didn't narc him out to the cops. In fact he goes so far as to say he'll cover for him.

Nothing about their conversation today and their plan to work together to get these guys implies that they're remotely concerned about working within the confines of the law or upset that Ed murdered a man. 'It wasn't a bad plan, it was just bad luck.' That's canon now. This is who John is now. My headcanon is looking less interpretive.

As for being canon in the past, John's done some shady things. Or at least from the viewpoint of take care of family first, worry about the law second. This is a continuation of that. Maybe more extreme than you'd prefer but they've shown this side of John before.
Your post makes my point. It's why in my post I asked why John was okay with Eduardo killing someone in cold blood. It's wrong, and it's not who I consider John to be.

I don't know what shady things you're referring to, but he's never killed in cold blood.
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My issue with John and Eduardo was slightly different...and may even be addressed on the show in the part I haven't gotten to see yet. I would have thought John would have been angry with Eduardo because what he did put HIS family at risk.
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