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Monday, September 19th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Sep 18 2016, 02:31 PM (13,234 Views)
laurondo
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Dool2005
Sep 19 2016, 10:09 AM
I don't mind Paul being John's son, but I do think they could have found a way to make him John's son that didn't mess with history
I think that if they wanted Paul to have more connections in Salem outside of Sonny and Will, they could've simply had John and Paul bond over their love of baseball. And then, because Paul didn't know who his dad was, John could've became like a father figure for him. That would've worked and they wouldn't have had to rewrite anything.
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JTClassicSoaps
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J&M and Family Fanatic!

I think someone else mentioned this earlier but I would have much preferred some sort of Brady/Theresa/Philip/Chloe quad instead of what we ended up with.
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Tammy
Sep 19 2016, 04:57 PM
Perhaps it's just me... but I don't think John is any different now then he's ever been. John never gave a damn about the law when it came to protecting someone he loves!

He was different during the RoBoJohn years... but even then Marlena was able to talk him down from hurting anyone.
The only thing I thought was different was how today he didn't bat an eye at Eduardo telling him what he did. I didn't expect him to lecture the guy but to maybe do a double take or maybe ask why he felt he had to go that far. I feel like the whole show has fallen into a vigilantism is okay black hole. Many a times John could have broken Stefano's neck but he never did.

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laurondo
Sep 19 2016, 05:49 PM
Dool2005
Sep 19 2016, 10:09 AM
I don't mind Paul being John's son, but I do think they could have found a way to make him John's son that didn't mess with history
I think that if they wanted Paul to have more connections in Salem outside of Sonny and Will, they could've simply had John and Paul bond over their love of baseball. And then, because Paul didn't know who his dad was, John could've became like a father figure for him. That would've worked and they wouldn't have had to rewrite anything.
I don't see why he even needed a father figure, LOL
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tiff5555


Well, I saw only part of it because the breaking news came on because of the bomber who bombed in NYC and NJ. And I live 50 miles from NYC....go figure.
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Rosebud
Sep 19 2016, 05:46 PM
moniker11
Sep 19 2016, 04:49 PM
Rosebud
Sep 19 2016, 04:31 PM

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My show was pre-empted today so I didn't get to see it yet but I have read the transcript. Read the exchange between John and Eduardo. John laid out the whole process Eduardo went through. He couldn't get at his guy inside but waited till he was being transferred and then killed him. This was one of the last scenes I had today but he didn't seem like a guy remotely concerned that Ed killed a man. He didn't narc him out to the cops. In fact he goes so far as to say he'll cover for him.

Nothing about their conversation today and their plan to work together to get these guys implies that they're remotely concerned about working within the confines of the law or upset that Ed murdered a man. 'It wasn't a bad plan, it was just bad luck.' That's canon now. This is who John is now. My headcanon is looking less interpretive.

As for being canon in the past, John's done some shady things. Or at least from the viewpoint of take care of family first, worry about the law second. This is a continuation of that. Maybe more extreme than you'd prefer but they've shown this side of John before.
Your post makes my point. It's why in my post I asked why John was okay with Eduardo killing someone in cold blood. It's wrong, and it's not who I consider John to be.

I don't know what shady things you're referring to, but he's never killed in cold blood.
He covered up a murder that led to the escape of three dangerous convicts. Eduardo was in the wrong from start to finish. Back in the day he murdered the man's son because he was ordered to. Now the man is sending threatening notes and causing trouble for Ed's family. That's bad but Ed sought him out, arranged to be on the prison transport, picked his spot and broke the guy's neck because he was causing trouble for his family. He didn't even have to tell John what happened, John figured it out and said it out loud, while calling the result bad luck, not that the plan was a horrendous idea and Ed should be in jail for it. He covered for the guy. By any definition that's shady as hell.

If Ed had picked some random person for no reason, John would have had an issue with that but because this guy was responsible for Gabi being attacked, he was fair game as far as John was concerned. Now the two together are going to work as a team to resolve the problem Ed caused. Just like when they went to go rescue Marlena and Ariana, they'll do whatever it takes to eliminate the current threat. Isn't that pretty much what he used to do for Stefano? Kill people who were a problem for DiMeria?
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I also don't think John would do anything like Eduardo did because it would possibly take him away from Marlena and his family if he got caught. He'd be risking Marlena being left alone.
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I don't mind JPL's Phillip. He doesn't at all portray the Phillip I'm used to but he amuses me so I'll go with it and him and Chloe are kind of cute in a quirky, best friends way (kind of like Lucas and Adrienne).

Even if my beloved JA is retiring, I sure as hell don't want Deimos as head of the Kiriakis family. I would have taken pre-psycho Xander as next in line (why they made him into a psycho I have NO idea, because he had looks, charm, swagger, and honestly he should be Victor's favorite as they are the most alike). Hell, I'll even take Justin. I will NOT accept Maggie as matriarch and Deimos as the head. Every day I plot a way in my head to get those two out of Victor's house, but they are like roaches, sigh.

The Hernandez family are like a band of criminals with differing degrees of criminality and its weird how simultaneously sanctimonious they can be.

Claire is starting to annoy the hell out of me. I don't want Theo stuck with any of these teens now.

Dario is a creep. Deimos is also a creep. I hope they both get taken out first even if they are on nobody's hit list simply for annoying me.
Edited by anzu, Sep 19 2016, 08:45 PM.
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moniker11


Rosebud
Sep 19 2016, 06:00 PM
Tammy
Sep 19 2016, 04:57 PM
Perhaps it's just me... but I don't think John is any different now then he's ever been. John never gave a damn about the law when it came to protecting someone he loves!

He was different during the RoBoJohn years... but even then Marlena was able to talk him down from hurting anyone.
The only thing I thought was different was how today he didn't bat an eye at Eduardo telling him what he did. I didn't expect him to lecture the guy but to maybe do a double take or maybe ask why he felt he had to go that far. I feel like the whole show has fallen into a vigilantism is okay black hole. Many a times John could have broken Stefano's neck but he never did.

My memory of back then is pretty fuzzy but wasn't it that he literally could not kill Stefano because of programming in his head rather than lack of conviction or willingness to do so?
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To be honest, when it comes to protecting his family, especially Marlena, John has always had this brutal mercenary side. That part of him has always been ingrained. The thing was because of Marlena's love he never became a cold blooded evil killing machine but that part of him is/was always underneath the surface. The prime example of that is when they all went to Europe to rescue Hope. John spent that entire rescue mission and months after that slipping in and out of mercenary John mode.
Edited by Jennifer1580, Sep 19 2016, 06:31 PM.
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anzu
Sep 19 2016, 06:23 PM
I don't mind JKJ's Phillip. He doesn't at all portray the Phillip I'm used to but he amuses me so I'll go with it and him and Chloe are kind of cute in a quirky, best friends way (kind of like Lucas and Adrienne).

Even if my beloved JA is retiring, I sure as hell don't want Deimos as head of the Kiriakis family. I would have taken pre-psycho Xander as next in line (why they made him into a psycho I have NO idea, because he had looks, charm, swagger, and honestly he should be Victor's favorite as they are the most alike). Hell, I'll even take Justin. I will NOT accept Maggie as matriarch and Deimos as the head. Every day I plot a way in my head to get those two out of Victor's house, but they are like roaches, sigh.

The Hernandez family are like a band of criminals with differing degrees of criminality and its weird how simultaneously sanctimonious they can be.

Claire is starting to annoy the hell out of me. I don't want Theo stuck with any of these teens now.

Dario is a creep. Deimos is also a creep. I hope they both get taken out first even if they are on nobody's hit list simply for annoying me.
My teen aged daughter mentioned today that she hates all the Days teens with a passion and that she can't stand to be in the room when they are on the screen. She said they are all incredibly annoying, dumb and the actors seem like they are in a 5th grade production. Isn't the point of the teens to draw in teens?
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moniker11


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Sep 19 2016, 06:22 PM
I also don't think John would do anything like Eduardo did because it would possibly take him away from Marlena and his family if he got caught. He'd be risking Marlena being left alone.
That I agree with. I don't think it would have been his first plan or maybe even an option for him but for these writers at least, he has no qualms about Ed doing so.

To me that's always been his character though. Good guy, dependable friend, always ready to help anyone but woe be unto those who would attack or threaten his family. Then the gloves come off and anything is fair game. If John had known Orpheus was on that bus and could have gotten away with it like Ed did, would he do the same thing? I dunno. This present version of John just might have.
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anzu
Sep 19 2016, 06:23 PM
I don't mind JKJ's Phillip. He doesn't at all portray the Phillip I'm used to but he amuses me so I'll go with it and him and Chloe are kind of cute in a quirky, best friends way (kind of like Lucas and Adrienne).
You mean JPL. JKJ isn't back, unfortunately.
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Kiki
Sep 19 2016, 06:47 PM
anzu
Sep 19 2016, 06:23 PM
I don't mind JKJ's Phillip. He doesn't at all portray the Phillip I'm used to but he amuses me so I'll go with it and him and Chloe are kind of cute in a quirky, best friends way (kind of like Lucas and Adrienne).

Even if my beloved JA is retiring, I sure as hell don't want Deimos as head of the Kiriakis family. I would have taken pre-psycho Xander as next in line (why they made him into a psycho I have NO idea, because he had looks, charm, swagger, and honestly he should be Victor's favorite as they are the most alike). Hell, I'll even take Justin. I will NOT accept Maggie as matriarch and Deimos as the head. Every day I plot a way in my head to get those two out of Victor's house, but they are like roaches, sigh.

The Hernandez family are like a band of criminals with differing degrees of criminality and its weird how simultaneously sanctimonious they can be.

Claire is starting to annoy the hell out of me. I don't want Theo stuck with any of these teens now.

Dario is a creep. Deimos is also a creep. I hope they both get taken out first even if they are on nobody's hit list simply for annoying me.
My teen aged daughter mentioned today that she hates all the Days teens with a passion and that she can't stand to be in the room when they are on the screen. She said they are all incredibly annoying, dumb and the actors seem like they are in a 5th grade production. Isn't the point of the teens to draw in teens?



That does not look good of what your daughter is saying...Days should be able to get newbies to watch the show or the family members to introduce young teens/adults and the friends to Days.
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Rosebud
Sep 19 2016, 06:01 PM
laurondo
Sep 19 2016, 05:49 PM
Dool2005
Sep 19 2016, 10:09 AM
I don't mind Paul being John's son, but I do think they could have found a way to make him John's son that didn't mess with history
I think that if they wanted Paul to have more connections in Salem outside of Sonny and Will, they could've simply had John and Paul bond over their love of baseball. And then, because Paul didn't know who his dad was, John could've became like a father figure for him. That would've worked and they wouldn't have had to rewrite anything.
I don't see why he even needed a father figure, LOL
Because he doesn't know who his dad is :shrug:
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lysie


Picking up where I left off.

So I semi like that they're addressing Rafe's habit of covering people.
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JTClassicSoaps
Sep 19 2016, 05:57 PM
I think someone else mentioned this earlier but I would have much preferred some sort of Brady/Theresa/Philip/Chloe quad instead of what we ended up with.
or even better Brady / Chloe / Phillip.
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lysie


Maggie has now adopted Philip.
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Cimz


.... Which is fine because Kate has decided Chad is the son she never had.
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lysie
Sep 19 2016, 07:32 PM
Maggie has now adopted Philip.
Can she give Brady back then?
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