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Monday, September 19th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Sep 18 2016, 02:31 PM (13,233 Views)
lysie


How early does Claire go to work?
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moniker11
Sep 19 2016, 06:22 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 05:46 PM
moniker11
Sep 19 2016, 04:49 PM

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Your post makes my point. It's why in my post I asked why John was okay with Eduardo killing someone in cold blood. It's wrong, and it's not who I consider John to be.

I don't know what shady things you're referring to, but he's never killed in cold blood.
He covered up a murder that led to the escape of three dangerous convicts. Eduardo was in the wrong from start to finish. Back in the day he murdered the man's son because he was ordered to. Now the man is sending threatening notes and causing trouble for Ed's family. That's bad but Ed sought him out, arranged to be on the prison transport, picked his spot and broke the guy's neck because he was causing trouble for his family. He didn't even have to tell John what happened, John figured it out and said it out loud, while calling the result bad luck, not that the plan was a horrendous idea and Ed should be in jail for it. He covered for the guy. By any definition that's shady as hell.

If Ed had picked some random person for no reason, John would have had an issue with that but because this guy was responsible for Gabi being attacked, he was fair game as far as John was concerned. Now the two together are going to work as a team to resolve the problem Ed caused. Just like when they went to go rescue Marlena and Ariana, they'll do whatever it takes to eliminate the current threat. Isn't that pretty much what he used to do for Stefano? Kill people who were a problem for DiMeria?
That's the shady things you're talking about? That happened today and I pointed out that I don't understand it. That it' was badly written. I have not said that John won't do what he has to to save Marlena or his family if actively being hurt or their lives are being threatened but he has never purposely killed someone for what they did or might possibly do. That is the difference with the writing on this show now, which I saw on today's ep, and in the recent past writing of other stories such as Hope killing Stefano. I guess now John would be fine just finding Orpheus and breaking his neck even before he has done something to hurt someone or in the act of trying to hurt someone, instead of subduing him and having him arrested. That's being a vigilante. Something John has never been.

If you're reasoning is that Eduardo (and by proxy, John) had every right to kill that prisoner, then you have to argue that the prisoner had every right to get revenge on Eduardo for killing his father.
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lysie


Now see. Marlena knows how to tell off someone while buttering them up. And it's totally why Claire is listening. IDK if they do stuff like that on purpose.

Also, Claire's argument made no sense.
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lysie


Maggie sure does dress up for physical therapy.
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lysie


So...that Victor/Philip moment last week didn't stick? Did we know that?
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moniker11
Sep 19 2016, 06:26 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 06:00 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 04:57 PM
Perhaps it's just me... but I don't think John is any different now then he's ever been. John never gave a damn about the law when it came to protecting someone he loves!

He was different during the RoBoJohn years... but even then Marlena was able to talk him down from hurting anyone.
The only thing I thought was different was how today he didn't bat an eye at Eduardo telling him what he did. I didn't expect him to lecture the guy but to maybe do a double take or maybe ask why he felt he had to go that far. I feel like the whole show has fallen into a vigilantism is okay black hole. Many a times John could have broken Stefano's neck but he never did.

My memory of back then is pretty fuzzy but wasn't it that he literally could not kill Stefano because of programming in his head rather than lack of conviction or willingness to do so?
No.
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lysie


I really need them to drop this idea that the mansion is so super safe. We just watched an armed man hold like 10 of them hostage. Stop.
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Oh, it does bother me that Marlena calls John "John" to Claire.
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lysie


Oh! Rafe mentioned them using Arianna to get to John and Marlena.
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lysie


Gabi missed Eduardo so much over the last 24 hours.
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lysie


Poor Marlena. John just was not impressed with her toast. It even had a fancy dish!
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lysie


Aw. I kind of like John telling Paul not to ever do that again.
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lysie


Oh, I also like that Marlena is letting Claire know that the strictness is temporary and because she promised her parents she'd keep her safe.
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lysie


My grandmother is nothing like Marlena, but if my grandmother had ever teared up talking to me like that I'm pretty sure I'd have done anything she said.
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moniker11
Sep 19 2016, 06:48 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 06:22 PM
I also don't think John would do anything like Eduardo did because it would possibly take him away from Marlena and his family if he got caught. He'd be risking Marlena being left alone.
That I agree with. I don't think it would have been his first plan or maybe even an option for him but for these writers at least, he has no qualms about Ed doing so.

To me that's always been his character though. Good guy, dependable friend, always ready to help anyone but woe be unto those who would attack or threaten his family. Then the gloves come off and anything is fair game. If John had known Orpheus was on that bus and could have gotten away with it like Ed did, would he do the same thing? I dunno. This present version of John just might have.
Anything hasn't been fair game, or Stefano would have died at John's hands ages ago.
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Lovejm
Sep 19 2016, 07:33 PM
lysie
Sep 19 2016, 07:32 PM
Maggie has now adopted Philip.
Can she give Brady back then?
She can keep him.
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Is there a site with the rest of the episode up then? I can't find it yet.
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peaches179
Sep 19 2016, 07:50 PM
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lysie
Sep 19 2016, 07:32 PM
Maggie has now adopted Philip.
Can she give Brady back then?
She can keep him.
I hate that I want him back. And mostly I don't. But I hate that he's with Maggie. So maybe dead is the preference lol
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laurondo
Sep 19 2016, 07:06 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 06:01 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 05:49 PM

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I don't see why he even needed a father figure, LOL
Because he doesn't know who his dad is :shrug:
But he's a 30-something adult. I think there's a point when you are old enough to be beyond needing a father figure to become a functioning adult male. Plus Paul had a grandfather.
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lysie


I like that Claire addressed that Marlena left to come get her. Marlena's response worked, but I wish they'd hit that a little better.
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