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Monday, September 19th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Sep 18 2016, 02:31 PM (13,232 Views)
lysie


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Sep 19 2016, 07:50 PM
Is there a site with the rest of the episode up then? I can't find it yet.
It's up on NBC now.
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I like that Marlena gets more upset when she thinks Claire isn't really following. I also like how Claire looks more concerned as the conversation continues. I don't think she believes Marlena, but she does seem concerned about her.
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Sep 19 2016, 07:52 PM
peaches179
Sep 19 2016, 07:50 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 07:33 PM

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She can keep him.
I hate that I want him back. And mostly I don't. But I hate that he's with Maggie. So maybe dead is the preference lol
Ouch! lol
J&M have a new son now.And I'm mighty please. :)
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lysie
Sep 19 2016, 07:55 PM
I like that Claire addressed that Marlena left to come get her. Marlena's response worked, but I wish they'd hit that a little better.
I was actually surprise that John let Marlena just walk right out the door to go get her!
Edited by Tammy, Sep 19 2016, 08:00 PM.
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Sep 19 2016, 06:48 PM
Rosebud
Sep 19 2016, 06:22 PM
I also don't think John would do anything like Eduardo did because it would possibly take him away from Marlena and his family if he got caught. He'd be risking Marlena being left alone.
That I agree with. I don't think it would have been his first plan or maybe even an option for him but for these writers at least, he has no qualms about Ed doing so.

To me that's always been his character though. Good guy, dependable friend, always ready to help anyone but woe be unto those who would attack or threaten his family. Then the gloves come off and anything is fair game. If John had known Orpheus was on that bus and could have gotten away with it like Ed did, would he do the same thing? I dunno. This present version of John just might have.
See here is my take on how John reacted to Ed's news! John knows where Ed is coming from... because they went through that school together!

I do not believe that John or Ed are violent people by nature, nor do they condone random acts of violence. John knows the threat those people pose to Ed and his family... which is why I believe that John "looked the other way".

John will go to any lengths to protect the people he loves... we have seen this numerous times over the years. Does this mean that he will go out and kill any random Tom, Dick or Harry? No! Nor do I think he would condone anyone else doing it either under normal circumstances!
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moniker11
Sep 19 2016, 06:22 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 05:46 PM
moniker11
Sep 19 2016, 04:49 PM

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Your post makes my point. It's why in my post I asked why John was okay with Eduardo killing someone in cold blood. It's wrong, and it's not who I consider John to be.

I don't know what shady things you're referring to, but he's never killed in cold blood.
He covered up a murder that led to the escape of three dangerous convicts. Eduardo was in the wrong from start to finish. Back in the day he murdered the man's son because he was ordered to. Now the man is sending threatening notes and causing trouble for Ed's family. That's bad but Ed sought him out, arranged to be on the prison transport, picked his spot and broke the guy's neck because he was causing trouble for his family. He didn't even have to tell John what happened, John figured it out and said it out loud, while calling the result bad luck, not that the plan was a horrendous idea and Ed should be in jail for it. He covered for the guy. By any definition that's shady as hell.

If Ed had picked some random person for no reason, John would have had an issue with that but because this guy was responsible for Gabi being attacked, he was fair game as far as John was concerned. Now the two together are going to work as a team to resolve the problem Ed caused. Just like when they went to go rescue Marlena and Ariana, they'll do whatever it takes to eliminate the current threat. Isn't that pretty much what he used to do for Stefano? Kill people who were a problem for DiMeria?
Dario is the one who hired the guy to threaten Gabi (although he actually wanted Rafe to get hurt).
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Tammy
Sep 19 2016, 08:06 PM
moniker11
Sep 19 2016, 06:48 PM
Rosebud
Sep 19 2016, 06:22 PM
I also don't think John would do anything like Eduardo did because it would possibly take him away from Marlena and his family if he got caught. He'd be risking Marlena being left alone.
That I agree with. I don't think it would have been his first plan or maybe even an option for him but for these writers at least, he has no qualms about Ed doing so.

To me that's always been his character though. Good guy, dependable friend, always ready to help anyone but woe be unto those who would attack or threaten his family. Then the gloves come off and anything is fair game. If John had known Orpheus was on that bus and could have gotten away with it like Ed did, would he do the same thing? I dunno. This present version of John just might have.
See here is my take on how John reacted to Ed's news! John knows where Ed is coming from... because they went through that school together!

I do not believe that John or Ed are violent people by nature, nor do they condone random acts of violence. John knows the threat those people pose to Ed and his family... which is why I believe that John "looked the other way".

John will go to any lengths to protect the people he loves... we have seen this numerous times over the years. Does this mean that he will go out and kill any random Tom, Dick or Harry? No! Nor do I think he would condone anyone else doing it either under normal circumstances!
I think the show didn't even consider what Eduardo did as an issue. It was a means to an end. They needed a way for the prisoners to escape. That's why it wasn't an issue for John either. It's contrived, ridiculous writing. Something this show excels at.

I don't have any attachment to Eduardo, but what they had him do pretty much went against everything they've been trying to sell about him. How he wanted to change and never do anything that would hurt his family again. He was never going to assassinate anyone again. How terrible it was that he was brainwashed as a child to kill. How it ruined his life and his family/s. Is he going to kill Dario when he finds out he was the one behind Gabi's attacks?
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kay
Sep 19 2016, 08:13 PM
Dario is the one who hired the guy to threaten Gabi (although he actually wanted Rafe to get hurt).
LOL I just mentioned that in my post. Guess Eduardo should break Dario's neck now, eh?
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Tammy
Sep 19 2016, 08:00 PM
lysie
Sep 19 2016, 07:55 PM
I like that Claire addressed that Marlena left to come get her. Marlena's response worked, but I wish they'd hit that a little better.
I was actually surprise that John let Marlena just walk right out the door to go get her!
Well, he's probably tracking her phone. Good enough, right? :rolleyes:
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Sep 19 2016, 06:48 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 06:23 PM
I don't mind JKJ's Phillip. He doesn't at all portray the Phillip I'm used to but he amuses me so I'll go with it and him and Chloe are kind of cute in a quirky, best friends way (kind of like Lucas and Adrienne).
You mean JPL. JKJ isn't back, unfortunately.
Whoops! Thanks. This is what happens when I refer to characters by phenotype in my head instead of their actual names.
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Sep 19 2016, 07:54 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 07:06 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 06:01 PM

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Because he doesn't know who his dad is :shrug:
But he's a 30-something adult. I think there's a point when you are old enough to be beyond needing a father figure to become a functioning adult male. Plus Paul had a grandfather.
I mean... John just finished round 87 of looking for his father and he's pushing 70 (I think?). Even after finding out he was a complete a-hole, he sobbed over his dead body, what they weren't to each other, and what he would never know. I don't think it has anything to do with becoming a functioning adult and everything to do with bonding and knowing a part of yourself and your past you didn't know before and yes, knowing your father, especially if he's just as eager to get to know you. Yes, he had a father figure but now he has a father too. For some people there's an emotional distinction. Now if they had Grandpa Narita call once or twice, I'm all for it but like... Grandpa Narita and Mama Narita who since Paul came to Salem?
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Catching up now. I like everything but Deimos. He just doesn't fit in this.

Really like the Eduardo/John scenes and the Marlena/Claire ones
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Sep 19 2016, 06:47 PM
anzu
Sep 19 2016, 06:23 PM
I don't mind JKJ's Phillip. He doesn't at all portray the Phillip I'm used to but he amuses me so I'll go with it and him and Chloe are kind of cute in a quirky, best friends way (kind of like Lucas and Adrienne).

Even if my beloved JA is retiring, I sure as hell don't want Deimos as head of the Kiriakis family. I would have taken pre-psycho Xander as next in line (why they made him into a psycho I have NO idea, because he had looks, charm, swagger, and honestly he should be Victor's favorite as they are the most alike). Hell, I'll even take Justin. I will NOT accept Maggie as matriarch and Deimos as the head. Every day I plot a way in my head to get those two out of Victor's house, but they are like roaches, sigh.

The Hernandez family are like a band of criminals with differing degrees of criminality and its weird how simultaneously sanctimonious they can be.

Claire is starting to annoy the hell out of me. I don't want Theo stuck with any of these teens now.

Dario is a creep. Deimos is also a creep. I hope they both get taken out first even if they are on nobody's hit list simply for annoying me.
My teen aged daughter mentioned today that she hates all the Days teens with a passion and that she can't stand to be in the room when they are on the screen. She said they are all incredibly annoying, dumb and the actors seem like they are in a 5th grade production. Isn't the point of the teens to draw in teens?
I'm going to need these teens to be a little more 90210 and a little less... well, Days of Our Lives.

It also doesn't help that, culturally, Claire would have been popped twice during that conversation at least if she were speaking to my Mama the way she speaks to her parents and Marlena. My mama don't play that.
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I don't know why this bothered me so much, and if it was already mentioned, my apologies. When Marlena was lecturing Claire about being safe and the promises she made to Belle and Shawn, she referred to John as John. She was talking to Claire. John is Claire's grandfather. Did the writers forget that John is Belle's father and not Roman?
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I'm sorry if this question was already answered, but what TV markets were interrupted during toDAYS episode?
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Sep 19 2016, 08:55 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 07:54 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 07:06 PM

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But he's a 30-something adult. I think there's a point when you are old enough to be beyond needing a father figure to become a functioning adult male. Plus Paul had a grandfather.
I mean... John just finished round 87 of looking for his father and he's pushing 70 (I think?). Even after finding out he was a complete a-hole, he sobbed over his dead body, what they weren't to each other, and what he would never know. I don't think it has anything to do with becoming a functioning adult and everything to do with bonding and knowing a part of yourself and your past you didn't know before and yes, knowing your father, especially if he's just as eager to get to know you. Yes, he had a father figure but now he has a father too. For some people there's an emotional distinction. Now if they had Grandpa Narita call once or twice, I'm all for it but like... Grandpa Narita and Mama Narita who since Paul came to Salem?
I'm not saying he shouldn't want to know who his father is. And the John and Paul comparison doesn't work, since John has no memory of his childhood. His search wasn't about just finding his father it was about finding out who he was, what happened to him, where he came from, how Stefano got him, etc etc.

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Marlene
Sep 19 2016, 09:32 PM
I don't know why this bothered me so much, and if it was already mentioned, my apologies. When Marlena was lecturing Claire about being safe and the promises she made to Belle and Shawn, she referred to John as John. She was talking to Claire. John is Claire's grandfather. Did the writers forget that John is Belle's father and not Roman?
I didn't see that part but maybe it was just the script writer who doesn't care what they write, or thinks the audience is too dumb to know John is her grandpa, but maybe it was just a slip up by Deidre and nobody noticed or they didn't want to redo it.
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Long Live Stefano (RIP JOE)

meh episode..
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Sep 19 2016, 09:43 PM
I'm sorry if this question was already answered, but what TV markets were interrupted during toDAYS episode?
East coast
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Sep 19 2016, 10:09 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 08:55 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 07:54 PM

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I mean... John just finished round 87 of looking for his father and he's pushing 70 (I think?). Even after finding out he was a complete a-hole, he sobbed over his dead body, what they weren't to each other, and what he would never know. I don't think it has anything to do with becoming a functioning adult and everything to do with bonding and knowing a part of yourself and your past you didn't know before and yes, knowing your father, especially if he's just as eager to get to know you. Yes, he had a father figure but now he has a father too. For some people there's an emotional distinction. Now if they had Grandpa Narita call once or twice, I'm all for it but like... Grandpa Narita and Mama Narita who since Paul came to Salem?
I'm not saying he shouldn't want to know who his father is. And the John and Paul comparison doesn't work, since John has no memory of his childhood. His search wasn't about just finding his father it was about finding out who he was, what happened to him, where he came from, how Stefano got him, etc etc.

Knowing his history was obviously the main reason since he doesn't have a recollection of one but that doesn't take from the point that part of the desire could have been coming from having that figure in his life if he could and he wasn't bat-ish crazy Yo Ling. He lost his answers but he also lost his father and any hope that his father would be a good man. Matter of fact, he got his answers of his past (according to the current writers). He didn't get his "why" from Yo-Ling, his "why didn't you love me" almost, so it really was a father-son angst if nothing in the end when he was sobbing over him. Searching for Yo-Ling was probably not going to give him back the actual memories alone. If John found his parents and they weren't complete crap, nothing about his personality suggests he wouldn't be as close as he could be to them/bond as much as he could and that isn't less likely to me because he was searching for his past. Paul isn't searching for memories, but he did find a piece of himself, a family, a relation he wouldn't ever have known existed and he's holding onto it. He knew his father was "dead" so he already felt that loss, even if he didn't know exactly what he was missing out on. John's memory was taken from him so he felt that loss, even if he didn't know exactly what he was missing out on. No it's not the same thing but the themes are related. And neither him nor Paul seem to be seeking out their fathers in order to be a functioning adult male. They both function just fine when they aren't brainwashed.
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