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Monday, September 19th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Sep 18 2016, 02:31 PM (13,231 Views)
Rosebud
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lbchatterbox
Sep 19 2016, 10:24 PM
4ever DAYS
Sep 19 2016, 09:43 PM
I'm sorry if this question was already answered, but what TV markets were interrupted during toDAYS episode?
East coast
Not just the east coast. I'm in the Midwest, central time, and missed 2/3rds of the ep. It was probably interrupted on all NBC affiliates whenever that press conference happened.
Edited by Rosebud, Sep 20 2016, 04:33 AM.
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anzu
Sep 19 2016, 10:35 PM
Rosebud
Sep 19 2016, 10:09 PM
anzu
Sep 19 2016, 08:55 PM

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I'm not saying he shouldn't want to know who his father is. And the John and Paul comparison doesn't work, since John has no memory of his childhood. His search wasn't about just finding his father it was about finding out who he was, what happened to him, where he came from, how Stefano got him, etc etc.

Knowing his history was obviously the main reason since he doesn't have a recollection of one but that doesn't take from the point that part of the desire could have been coming from having that figure in his life if he could and he wasn't bat-ish crazy Yo Ling. He lost his answers but he also lost his father and any hope that his father would be a good man. Matter of fact, he got his answers of his past (according to the current writers). He didn't get his "why" from Yo-Ling, his "why didn't you love me" almost, so it really was a father-son angst if nothing in the end when he was sobbing over him. Searching for Yo-Ling was probably not going to give him back the actual memories alone. If John found his parents and they weren't complete crap, nothing about his personality suggests he wouldn't be as close as he could be to them/bond as much as he could and that isn't less likely to me because he was searching for his past. Paul isn't searching for memories, but he did find a piece of himself, a family, a relation he wouldn't ever have known existed and he's holding onto it. He knew his father was "dead" so he already felt that loss, even if he didn't know exactly what he was missing out on. John's memory was taken from him so he felt that loss, even if he didn't know exactly what he was missing out on. No it's not the same thing but the themes are related. And neither him nor Paul seem to be seeking out their fathers in order to be a functioning adult male. They both function just fine when they aren't brainwashed.
I don't really even care about this subject, LOL My point was about him needing a father figure, and I still maintain he doesn't need a father figure at his age.
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Sep 19 2016, 11:34 AM
I keep saying it but are we sure Victor keeps breathing? So many anvils about Deimos taking over as head of the Kiriakas'
The only Kiriakis that should be taking over as head of the Kiriakis empire and family, in my opinion, should be Justin.

No other Kiriakis member knows Victor as well as Justin does, I remember when Justin was Victor's only nephew and heir over thirty years ago. Justin has paid his dues and seems to be the only Kiriakis member who holds down a job, not living off of Victor.

I want to accept Deimos as the evil brother to Victor not his new best friend, where is the story here?
Deimos is a whore master, bedding Kate and then Chloe and then after three weeks Nicole, unbelievable. I don't believe he is in love with Nicole, she is just a means to an end for him to get want he wants from Victor and he will use Nicole to get there. I remember him looking at Helena's picture as he often did and stashing it away for prosperity. Did tptb actually bring Deimos on board to become head of the Kiriakis family from the beginning? The only way I would enjoy Deimos as any part of this is if he and Justin fought for the right as head of the Kiriakis family. This would make for good story and seeing Justin on air much more is good all around.
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ElizBBrowning
Sep 19 2016, 11:08 PM
Lovejm
Sep 19 2016, 11:34 AM
I keep saying it but are we sure Victor keeps breathing? So many anvils about Deimos taking over as head of the Kiriakas'
The only Kiriakis that should be taking over as head of the Kiriakis empire and family, in my opinion, should be Justin.

No other Kiriakis member knows Victor as well as Justin does, I remember when Justin was Victor's only nephew and heir over thirty years ago. Justin has paid his dues and seems to be the only Kiriakis member who holds down a job, not living off of Victor.

I want to accept Deimos as the evil brother to Victor not his new best friend, where is the story here?
Deimos is a whore master, bedding Kate and then Chloe and then after three weeks Nicole, unbelievable. I don't believe he is in love with Nicole, she is just a means to an end for him to get want he wants from Victor and he will use Nicole to get there. I remember him looking at Helena's picture as he often did and stashing it away for prosperity. Did tptb actually bring Deimos on board to become head of the Kiriakis family from the beginning? The only way I would enjoy Deimos as any part of this is if he and Justin fought for the right as head of the Kiriakis family. This would make for good story and seeing Justin on air much more is good all around.
I agree about Justin. But I don't want to accept Deimos as anything, lol.
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OH lucky me, I just realized I can get NBC on my Roku. I don't have to watch it on my iPad.👍
Deimos really does his homework. He even knows what Xander dreams about. :rolleyes:

John should have punched Eduardo in the face for what he did, or maybe at least showed some irritation that he put all this in motion.

Gabi is acting like she's been dating JJ for five years and can't get him to commit. What is her rush?

I'm fed up with Deimos and all his mea culpeas :blah:








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Why did Eduardo bother with a big goodbye if he knew he'd be coming back so soon?

Huh? John is proud of Paul's moves at Victor's? He could have gotten people killed.

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Hate to admit it but Dario was right about what he said about Eduardo.

LOL.. Did Orpheus just lecture Xander on not going off half cocked? Doesn't that describe what he did at that wedding?

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Rosebud
Sep 19 2016, 11:54 PM
Hate to admit it but Dario was right about what he said about Eduardo.

LOL.. Did Orpheus just lecture Xander on not going off half cocked? Doesn't that describe what he did at that wedding?

Orpheus must believe in "do as I say, not as I do."
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I like seeing Claire without having to see Cierror.
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Sep 19 2016, 07:37 PM [b
That's the shady things you're talking about? That happened today and I pointed out that I don't understand it.[/b] That it' was badly written. I have not said that John won't do what he has to to save Marlena or his family if actively being hurt or their lives are being threatened but he has never purposely killed someone for what they did or might possibly do. That is the difference with the writing on this show now, which I saw on today's ep, and in the recent past writing of other stories such as Hope killing Stefano. I guess now John would be fine just finding Orpheus and breaking his neck even before he has done something to hurt someone or in the act of trying to hurt someone, instead of subduing him and having him arrested. That's being a vigilante. Something John has never been.

If you're reasoning is that Eduardo (and by proxy, John) had every right to kill that prisoner, then you have to argue that the prisoner had every right to get revenge on Eduardo for killing his father.


That was the most "violent" shady thing he's done and I used it as an example of how far he has come but let's go back a few years. This example is completely different yet shows John will do whatever he thinks is best regardless of how others feel and then takes it a step further and breaks the law to achieve his end goal.

The Kristen debacle of 2013 is all about John doing what he wants, willing to torpedo his marriage and his relationship with Brady in order to get her the hell away from his son. It was all around terrible writing and I hate that they had John repeatedly exclude Marlena to the point that it destroyed their relationship. Still he unilaterally decided to attempt to seduce Kristen, hurt Marlena, and crush Brady by showing him that Kristen was just using him all along. He was flat out cruel in the things he did and said.

Which eventually leads us to Theresa and his lying to the police, Marlena and Brady about what happened at the mansion that night she brained him with the fire poker. He was all ready to spill his guts and tell Roman Theresa hit him when he sees Kristen there and changes his mind. He did it to keep Kristen away from Brady. Again it was manipulative as hell and he broke the law by lying to the police.

The pattern is that John is going to do what he's going to do regardless of whether it's right or wrong or flat out illegal and nobody is going to stop him. That's how we got to him and Eduardo going into the old airport after Marlena/Ari. He didn't wait for the police, or ask permission. They went in with the intent of killing whomever they had to in order to save their family. He generally has a plan and if he can use others or the police to his benefit he'll do so but in the end, always, John's going to do what John's going to do.

Now the writers are taking that a step further and showing even more disregard for the law. If I understand right your argument is he's never gone this far. Mine is that while true that's only because this scenario hasn't come up yet but the precedent of "vigilante" has been there repeatedly. His degree of shady has always been there from bugging Marlena, lying about being in the ISA, challenging Andre to a duel that turned pretty darn serious, or just picking up a gun time and again to play "hero" and not leave dirty work to others when he feels he's more capable himself.
Edited by moniker11, Sep 20 2016, 01:42 AM.
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Sep 19 2016, 09:32 PM
I don't know why this bothered me so much, and if it was already mentioned, my apologies. When Marlena was lecturing Claire about being safe and the promises she made to Belle and Shawn, she referred to John as John. She was talking to Claire. John is Claire's grandfather. Did the writers forget that John is Belle's father and not Roman?
It depends on the person but my mom refers to my dad by his name and not "dad" when talking to me. I know who she means though she doesn't use that word. Is your grandpa necessary when both parties know exactly whom they're speaking about anyway?

I'd prefer it if they said our grandkids, or our kids rather than this mine/yours thing they've developed in the last five years but I don't need Marlena to say your grandpa to Claire in order to make a point to her because she actually is theirs.
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Tammy
Sep 19 2016, 04:44 PM
I know it's petty but I HATE when soap characters don't refer to people in their family with the title that they deserve!

Like Claire calling Ciara her friend... NO she's your Aunt! I understand not calling her "Aunt Ciara" because of the close age... but when she is referencing her... she should be your Aunt NOT your friend!

Like when the Brady kids would call Kayla by her name and not "Aunt Kayla"

This stuff really irks me! lol
Never, in our entire lives, have I, my brother or any of our cousins, called our aunts and uncles by anything but their first names. If I called one of my father's sisters, "Aunt" Barbara, she'd look at me like I'd lost my mind.
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Sep 19 2016, 12:05 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 12:03 PM
PetrovaSalvatore
Sep 19 2016, 11:54 AM
Claire "Why don't I have a middle name?" Brady please don't act like a bubble head!!! Your parents and your grandparents are not bubble heads. Please don't tell me she's becoming the new Brady or Sami in terms of acting stupid!! This is not the Claire that was introduced to us in November /December 2015.
I think Belle had some severely bubble-headed moments at Claire's age. When Belle was in college and there was a serial killer on the loose, she went up to the major suspects and screamed in their faces to stop killing people. Yes, Belle, they were unhinged enough to kill Abe and Jack... but they won't do it anymore because you squeaked at them.

Belle grew out of it. I have faith that Claire has enough depth to grow out of it, too. The fact that she has the ambition to be a singer and the desire to work for Chloe to make it happen already puts her a step ahead of Brady (who casually took whatever his grandfather handed him) and Sami (who mostly just wanted as many men as possible).
I wish Claire was 16. They shouldn't have aged her again.
I wish they had left all of the teens at 16. None of them act like responsible young adults.
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Going back to the discussion about Paul being John's son at the beginning of the thread, I have to add that even before Paul arrived or while he was off screen this past year, John didn't have close relationships with either Brady or Eric. I think the writers want it that way but I have no explanation why. Paul's presence highlights the problem but I don't think it's the cause.
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I really loved the Marlena/Claire scene! Deidre is so good with stuff like this, when Marlena is tough and caring at the same time. I hope we see a lot of this relationship now that Marlena has no more children on the canvas and Claire doesn't have her parents there. Olivia Keegan is no Chandler Massey but if Marlena/Claire could be even half of what Marlena/Will used to be, I would be really happy. I also liked Marlena's scenes with John and Chloe in this episode.

Other than that, it was a good episode but not great. I loved the duo of Xander/Orpheus and I will admit that I watched the shirtless scene more than once. Always lovely to see Paul but it was too short again! Rafe is likable when he's with Gabi and Eduardo but Dario is still insufferable. I don't really care about the Deimos/Chloe/Philip story, it was the weakest part of the episode for me.
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Sep 19 2016, 09:32 PM
I don't know why this bothered me so much, and if it was already mentioned, my apologies. When Marlena was lecturing Claire about being safe and the promises she made to Belle and Shawn, she referred to John as John. She was talking to Claire. John is Claire's grandfather. Did the writers forget that John is Belle's father and not Roman?
Marlena thinks of John as John not how he relates to other people. When talking about my dad sometimes my mom says "your dad" sometimes she says Dave. I don't forget he's my Dad when she uses his first name. My grandmother talked about my grandfather interchangeably as Bill, Dad, and Grandpa. Sometimes she used all three in the same story. I always felt it would be less confusing if she just stuck to Bill. Trying to parse three names could sometimes make my head hurt especially if her father or mine also featured in the story.


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This was probably my least favorite of the new episodes, way too much Hernandez family for my liking.

I need for Xander to grab Nicole and rescue her from Chloe's baby drama. Nicole doesn't need to be in the mix, Deimos/Chloe/Philip can fight over the kid.

Shirtless Xander was by far the best part of the show!
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Sep 20 2016, 01:29 AM
Rosebud
Sep 19 2016, 07:37 PM [b
That's the shady things you're talking about? That happened today and I pointed out that I don't understand it.[/b] That it' was badly written. I have not said that John won't do what he has to to save Marlena or his family if actively being hurt or their lives are being threatened but he has never purposely killed someone for what they did or might possibly do. That is the difference with the writing on this show now, which I saw on today's ep, and in the recent past writing of other stories such as Hope killing Stefano. I guess now John would be fine just finding Orpheus and breaking his neck even before he has done something to hurt someone or in the act of trying to hurt someone, instead of subduing him and having him arrested. That's being a vigilante. Something John has never been.

If you're reasoning is that Eduardo (and by proxy, John) had every right to kill that prisoner, then you have to argue that the prisoner had every right to get revenge on Eduardo for killing his father.


That was the most "violent" shady thing he's done and I used it as an example of how far he has come but let's go back a few years. This example is completely different yet shows John will do whatever he thinks is best regardless of how others feel and then takes it a step further and breaks the law to achieve his end goal.

The Kristen debacle of 2013 is all about John doing what he wants, willing to torpedo his marriage and his relationship with Brady in order to get her the hell away from his son. It was all around terrible writing and I hate that they had John repeatedly exclude Marlena to the point that it destroyed their relationship. Still he unilaterally decided to attempt to seduce Kristen, hurt Marlena, and crush Brady by showing him that Kristen was just using him all along. He was flat out cruel in the things he did and said.

Which eventually leads us to Theresa and his lying to the police, Marlena and Brady about what happened at the mansion that night she brained him with the fire poker. He was all ready to spill his guts and tell Roman Theresa hit him when he sees Kristen there and changes his mind. He did it to keep Kristen away from Brady. Again it was manipulative as hell and he broke the law by lying to the police.

The pattern is that John is going to do what he's going to do regardless of whether it's right or wrong or flat out illegal and nobody is going to stop him. That's how we got to him and Eduardo going into the old airport after Marlena/Ari. He didn't wait for the police, or ask permission. They went in with the intent of killing whomever they had to in order to save their family. He generally has a plan and if he can use others or the police to his benefit he'll do so but in the end, always, John's going to do what John's going to do.

Now the writers are taking that a step further and showing even more disregard for the law. If I understand right your argument is he's never gone this far. Mine is that while true that's only because this scenario hasn't come up yet but the precedent of "vigilante" has been there repeatedly. His degree of shady has always been there from bugging Marlena, lying about being in the ISA, challenging Andre to a duel that turned pretty darn serious, or just picking up a gun time and again to play "hero" and not leave dirty work to others when he feels he's more capable himself.
I totally agree John will go outside the law to accomplish something like saving Marlena but using the Kristen debacle as example of that doesn't work. It was blatent character assassination. Nothing he did then fit in character with the John we knew for 30 years. Nor has he acted that way since. The version of John you're describing is some kind of anti-hero and that's not who he is.

Side note - I hope John and Steve too in this case do stay outside the law to get Orpheus. The Salem PD sure as hell won't.
Edited by Lovejm, Sep 20 2016, 07:23 AM.
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Am I seeing things, or was Deidre sporting a bruise on her face? It was covered up by make-up obviously... but I swear I saw it lol.

And also... how is Claire sooo special that she get's to call Marlena "grandma"? LMAO
Edited by Tammy, Sep 20 2016, 07:28 AM.
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It also made me laugh when John and Marlena "took cover" when Ed started banging on the door... did they really think Orpehus would knock??? :blink:
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