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| Monday, September 19th Episode Discussion | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 18 2016, 02:31 PM (13,231 Views) | |
| Rosebud | Sep 19 2016, 11:00 PM Post #321 |
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Not just the east coast. I'm in the Midwest, central time, and missed 2/3rds of the ep. It was probably interrupted on all NBC affiliates whenever that press conference happened. Edited by Rosebud, Sep 20 2016, 04:33 AM.
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| Rosebud | Sep 19 2016, 11:07 PM Post #322 |
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I don't really even care about this subject, LOL My point was about him needing a father figure, and I still maintain he doesn't need a father figure at his age. |
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| ElizBBrowning | Sep 19 2016, 11:08 PM Post #323 |
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The only Kiriakis that should be taking over as head of the Kiriakis empire and family, in my opinion, should be Justin. No other Kiriakis member knows Victor as well as Justin does, I remember when Justin was Victor's only nephew and heir over thirty years ago. Justin has paid his dues and seems to be the only Kiriakis member who holds down a job, not living off of Victor. I want to accept Deimos as the evil brother to Victor not his new best friend, where is the story here? Deimos is a whore master, bedding Kate and then Chloe and then after three weeks Nicole, unbelievable. I don't believe he is in love with Nicole, she is just a means to an end for him to get want he wants from Victor and he will use Nicole to get there. I remember him looking at Helena's picture as he often did and stashing it away for prosperity. Did tptb actually bring Deimos on board to become head of the Kiriakis family from the beginning? The only way I would enjoy Deimos as any part of this is if he and Justin fought for the right as head of the Kiriakis family. This would make for good story and seeing Justin on air much more is good all around. |
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| lysie | Sep 19 2016, 11:11 PM Post #324 |
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I agree about Justin. But I don't want to accept Deimos as anything, lol. |
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| Rosebud | Sep 19 2016, 11:27 PM Post #325 |
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OH lucky me, I just realized I can get NBC on my Roku. I don't have to watch it on my iPad.👍 Deimos really does his homework. He even knows what Xander dreams about. :rolleyes: John should have punched Eduardo in the face for what he did, or maybe at least showed some irritation that he put all this in motion. Gabi is acting like she's been dating JJ for five years and can't get him to commit. What is her rush? I'm fed up with Deimos and all his mea culpeas :blah: Edited by Rosebud, Sep 19 2016, 11:28 PM.
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| Rosebud | Sep 19 2016, 11:44 PM Post #326 |
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Why did Eduardo bother with a big goodbye if he knew he'd be coming back so soon? Huh? John is proud of Paul's moves at Victor's? He could have gotten people killed. |
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| Rosebud | Sep 19 2016, 11:54 PM Post #327 |
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Hate to admit it but Dario was right about what he said about Eduardo. LOL.. Did Orpheus just lecture Xander on not going off half cocked? Doesn't that describe what he did at that wedding? |
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| kay | Sep 20 2016, 12:03 AM Post #328 |
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Orpheus must believe in "do as I say, not as I do." |
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| 4ever DAYS | Sep 20 2016, 12:56 AM Post #329 |
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I like seeing Claire without having to see Cierror. |
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| moniker11 | Sep 20 2016, 01:29 AM Post #330 |
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That was the most "violent" shady thing he's done and I used it as an example of how far he has come but let's go back a few years. This example is completely different yet shows John will do whatever he thinks is best regardless of how others feel and then takes it a step further and breaks the law to achieve his end goal. The Kristen debacle of 2013 is all about John doing what he wants, willing to torpedo his marriage and his relationship with Brady in order to get her the hell away from his son. It was all around terrible writing and I hate that they had John repeatedly exclude Marlena to the point that it destroyed their relationship. Still he unilaterally decided to attempt to seduce Kristen, hurt Marlena, and crush Brady by showing him that Kristen was just using him all along. He was flat out cruel in the things he did and said. Which eventually leads us to Theresa and his lying to the police, Marlena and Brady about what happened at the mansion that night she brained him with the fire poker. He was all ready to spill his guts and tell Roman Theresa hit him when he sees Kristen there and changes his mind. He did it to keep Kristen away from Brady. Again it was manipulative as hell and he broke the law by lying to the police. The pattern is that John is going to do what he's going to do regardless of whether it's right or wrong or flat out illegal and nobody is going to stop him. That's how we got to him and Eduardo going into the old airport after Marlena/Ari. He didn't wait for the police, or ask permission. They went in with the intent of killing whomever they had to in order to save their family. He generally has a plan and if he can use others or the police to his benefit he'll do so but in the end, always, John's going to do what John's going to do. Now the writers are taking that a step further and showing even more disregard for the law. If I understand right your argument is he's never gone this far. Mine is that while true that's only because this scenario hasn't come up yet but the precedent of "vigilante" has been there repeatedly. His degree of shady has always been there from bugging Marlena, lying about being in the ISA, challenging Andre to a duel that turned pretty darn serious, or just picking up a gun time and again to play "hero" and not leave dirty work to others when he feels he's more capable himself. Edited by moniker11, Sep 20 2016, 01:42 AM.
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| moniker11 | Sep 20 2016, 01:38 AM Post #331 |
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It depends on the person but my mom refers to my dad by his name and not "dad" when talking to me. I know who she means though she doesn't use that word. Is your grandpa necessary when both parties know exactly whom they're speaking about anyway? I'd prefer it if they said our grandkids, or our kids rather than this mine/yours thing they've developed in the last five years but I don't need Marlena to say your grandpa to Claire in order to make a point to her because she actually is theirs. |
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| stormymac | Sep 20 2016, 02:24 AM Post #332 |
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Never, in our entire lives, have I, my brother or any of our cousins, called our aunts and uncles by anything but their first names. If I called one of my father's sisters, "Aunt" Barbara, she'd look at me like I'd lost my mind. |
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| jen67 | Sep 20 2016, 02:40 AM Post #333 |
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I wish they had left all of the teens at 16. None of them act like responsible young adults. |
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| Hugo | Sep 20 2016, 03:21 AM Post #334 |
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Going back to the discussion about Paul being John's son at the beginning of the thread, I have to add that even before Paul arrived or while he was off screen this past year, John didn't have close relationships with either Brady or Eric. I think the writers want it that way but I have no explanation why. Paul's presence highlights the problem but I don't think it's the cause. |
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| Hugo | Sep 20 2016, 03:48 AM Post #335 |
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I really loved the Marlena/Claire scene! Deidre is so good with stuff like this, when Marlena is tough and caring at the same time. I hope we see a lot of this relationship now that Marlena has no more children on the canvas and Claire doesn't have her parents there. Olivia Keegan is no Chandler Massey but if Marlena/Claire could be even half of what Marlena/Will used to be, I would be really happy. I also liked Marlena's scenes with John and Chloe in this episode. Other than that, it was a good episode but not great. I loved the duo of Xander/Orpheus and I will admit that I watched the shirtless scene more than once. Always lovely to see Paul but it was too short again! Rafe is likable when he's with Gabi and Eduardo but Dario is still insufferable. I don't really care about the Deimos/Chloe/Philip story, it was the weakest part of the episode for me. |
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| sitrian | Sep 20 2016, 04:21 AM Post #336 |
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Marlena thinks of John as John not how he relates to other people. When talking about my dad sometimes my mom says "your dad" sometimes she says Dave. I don't forget he's my Dad when she uses his first name. My grandmother talked about my grandfather interchangeably as Bill, Dad, and Grandpa. Sometimes she used all three in the same story. I always felt it would be less confusing if she just stuck to Bill. Trying to parse three names could sometimes make my head hurt especially if her father or mine also featured in the story. |
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| KLK | Sep 20 2016, 05:45 AM Post #337 |
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This was probably my least favorite of the new episodes, way too much Hernandez family for my liking. I need for Xander to grab Nicole and rescue her from Chloe's baby drama. Nicole doesn't need to be in the mix, Deimos/Chloe/Philip can fight over the kid. Shirtless Xander was by far the best part of the show! |
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| Lovejm | Sep 20 2016, 07:14 AM Post #338 |
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I totally agree John will go outside the law to accomplish something like saving Marlena but using the Kristen debacle as example of that doesn't work. It was blatent character assassination. Nothing he did then fit in character with the John we knew for 30 years. Nor has he acted that way since. The version of John you're describing is some kind of anti-hero and that's not who he is. Side note - I hope John and Steve too in this case do stay outside the law to get Orpheus. The Salem PD sure as hell won't. Edited by Lovejm, Sep 20 2016, 07:23 AM.
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| Tammy | Sep 20 2016, 07:22 AM Post #339 |
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Am I seeing things, or was Deidre sporting a bruise on her face? It was covered up by make-up obviously... but I swear I saw it lol. And also... how is Claire sooo special that she get's to call Marlena "grandma"? LMAO Edited by Tammy, Sep 20 2016, 07:28 AM.
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| Tammy | Sep 20 2016, 07:26 AM Post #340 |
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It also made me laugh when John and Marlena "took cover" when Ed started banging on the door... did they really think Orpehus would knock??? :blink:
Edited by Tammy, Sep 20 2016, 07:28 AM.
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