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Monday, September 19th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Sep 18 2016, 02:31 PM (13,229 Views)
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sitrian
Sep 20 2016, 04:21 AM
Marlene
Sep 19 2016, 09:32 PM
I don't know why this bothered me so much, and if it was already mentioned, my apologies. When Marlena was lecturing Claire about being safe and the promises she made to Belle and Shawn, she referred to John as John. She was talking to Claire. John is Claire's grandfather. Did the writers forget that John is Belle's father and not Roman?
Marlena thinks of John as John not how he relates to other people. When talking about my dad sometimes my mom says "your dad" sometimes she says Dave. I don't forget he's my Dad when she uses his first name. My grandmother talked about my grandfather interchangeably as Bill, Dad, and Grandpa. Sometimes she used all three in the same story. I always felt it would be less confusing if she just stuck to Bill. Trying to parse three names could sometimes make my head hurt especially if her father or mine also featured in the story.


Marlena doesn't usually do that though. She usually calls John the same thing the kids call him when she's talking to them. She doesn't know even usually say "your dad" or "your grandpa." She just says dad.
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lysie
Sep 20 2016, 07:38 AM
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Sep 20 2016, 04:21 AM
Marlene
Sep 19 2016, 09:32 PM
I don't know why this bothered me so much, and if it was already mentioned, my apologies. When Marlena was lecturing Claire about being safe and the promises she made to Belle and Shawn, she referred to John as John. She was talking to Claire. John is Claire's grandfather. Did the writers forget that John is Belle's father and not Roman?
Marlena thinks of John as John not how he relates to other people. When talking about my dad sometimes my mom says "your dad" sometimes she says Dave. I don't forget he's my Dad when she uses his first name. My grandmother talked about my grandfather interchangeably as Bill, Dad, and Grandpa. Sometimes she used all three in the same story. I always felt it would be less confusing if she just stuck to Bill. Trying to parse three names could sometimes make my head hurt especially if her father or mine also featured in the story.


Marlena doesn't usually do that though. She usually calls John the same thing the kids call him when she's talking to them. She doesn't know even usually say "your dad" or "your grandpa." She just says dad.
Maybe she wanted to make sure we didn't think she was talking about Bo lol. Really the John thing was weird.
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lysie


Tammy
Sep 20 2016, 07:22 AM
Am I seeing things, or was Deidre sporting a bruise on her face? It was covered up by make-up obviously... but I swear I saw it lol.

And also... how is Claire sooo special that she get's to call Marlena "grandma"? LMAO
Will called her grandma too. He and Marlena just would joke about it.
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lysie
Sep 20 2016, 07:44 AM
Tammy
Sep 20 2016, 07:22 AM
Am I seeing things, or was Deidre sporting a bruise on her face? It was covered up by make-up obviously... but I swear I saw it lol.

And also... how is Claire sooo special that she get's to call Marlena "grandma"? LMAO
Will called her grandma too. He and Marlena just would joke about it.
I know... it's just odd that she never does that with Claire. Didn't Deidre used to have a issue with being called grandma on the show? Or am I making that up in my head? lol
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Tammy
Sep 20 2016, 07:54 AM
lysie
Sep 20 2016, 07:44 AM
Tammy
Sep 20 2016, 07:22 AM
Am I seeing things, or was Deidre sporting a bruise on her face? It was covered up by make-up obviously... but I swear I saw it lol.

And also... how is Claire sooo special that she get's to call Marlena "grandma"? LMAO
Will called her grandma too. He and Marlena just would joke about it.
I know... it's just odd that she never does that with Claire. Didn't Deidre used to have a issue with being called grandma on the show? Or am I making that up in my head? lol
Well she's only spoken to her twice.
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Sep 20 2016, 07:54 AM
lysie
Sep 20 2016, 07:44 AM
Tammy
Sep 20 2016, 07:22 AM
Am I seeing things, or was Deidre sporting a bruise on her face? It was covered up by make-up obviously... but I swear I saw it lol.

And also... how is Claire sooo special that she get's to call Marlena "grandma"? LMAO
Will called her grandma too. He and Marlena just would joke about it.
I know... it's just odd that she never does that with Claire. Didn't Deidre used to have a issue with being called grandma on the show? Or am I making that up in my head? lol
I think that's a commonly made up thing.
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Maybe the Uncle/Aunt/Dad name calling is a southern or country people thing. I'm a "country southerner" and when my Mom is talking about my family she still says Daddy, Aunt Melba, or Popaw Cockman did this or that and my siblings and I say the same to our kids.
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Ocean
Sep 19 2016, 12:17 PM
Lovejm
Sep 19 2016, 11:47 AM
Paul brought doughnuts lol. Maybe he heard Marlena can't cook
Lol at least she can cook eggs.
John had an omelet in 1995 that said otherwise. :$ :P
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Sep 19 2016, 07:52 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 07:50 PM
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Sep 19 2016, 07:33 PM

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She can keep him.
I hate that I want him back. And mostly I don't. But I hate that he's with Maggie. So maybe dead is the preference lol
I vote dead too. But with a quick reunion and apology for J&M for treating them like poo on his shoe first. And he can be un-deaded if it comes with a personality transplant and recast.
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Tammy
Sep 20 2016, 07:26 AM
It also made me laugh when John and Marlena "took cover" when Ed started banging on the door... did they really think Orpehus would knock??? :blink:
Hey! Orpheus is many crazy things, but rude isn't one of them :D
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I loved when Marlena would give Chandler's Will grief about calling her "Grandma."

Sigh, I miss Deidre/Chandler chemistry... :wub:
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lysie
Sep 20 2016, 07:38 AM
sitrian
Sep 20 2016, 04:21 AM
Marlene
Sep 19 2016, 09:32 PM
I don't know why this bothered me so much, and if it was already mentioned, my apologies. When Marlena was lecturing Claire about being safe and the promises she made to Belle and Shawn, she referred to John as John. She was talking to Claire. John is Claire's grandfather. Did the writers forget that John is Belle's father and not Roman?
Marlena thinks of John as John not how he relates to other people. When talking about my dad sometimes my mom says "your dad" sometimes she says Dave. I don't forget he's my Dad when she uses his first name. My grandmother talked about my grandfather interchangeably as Bill, Dad, and Grandpa. Sometimes she used all three in the same story. I always felt it would be less confusing if she just stuck to Bill. Trying to parse three names could sometimes make my head hurt especially if her father or mine also featured in the story.


Marlena doesn't usually do that though. She usually calls John the same thing the kids call him when she's talking to them. She doesn't know even usually say "your dad" or "your grandpa." She just says dad.
That's fair. But since Claire has never met John... :)
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sitrian
Sep 20 2016, 01:33 PM
lysie
Sep 20 2016, 07:38 AM
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Sep 20 2016, 04:21 AM

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Marlena doesn't usually do that though. She usually calls John the same thing the kids call him when she's talking to them. She doesn't know even usually say "your dad" or "your grandpa." She just says dad.
That's fair. But since Claire has never met John... :)
I'd have liked to see the scnee where they laid done the rules the night before that Marlena referenced. lol
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moniker11
Sep 20 2016, 01:29 AM
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Sep 19 2016, 07:37 PM [b
That's the shady things you're talking about? That happened today and I pointed out that I don't understand it.[/b] That it' was badly written. I have not said that John won't do what he has to to save Marlena or his family if actively being hurt or their lives are being threatened but he has never purposely killed someone for what they did or might possibly do. That is the difference with the writing on this show now, which I saw on today's ep, and in the recent past writing of other stories such as Hope killing Stefano. I guess now John would be fine just finding Orpheus and breaking his neck even before he has done something to hurt someone or in the act of trying to hurt someone, instead of subduing him and having him arrested. That's being a vigilante. Something John has never been.

If you're reasoning is that Eduardo (and by proxy, John) had every right to kill that prisoner, then you have to argue that the prisoner had every right to get revenge on Eduardo for killing his father.


That was the most "violent" shady thing he's done and I used it as an example of how far he has come but let's go back a few years. This example is completely different yet shows John will do whatever he thinks is best regardless of how others feel and then takes it a step further and breaks the law to achieve his end goal.

The Kristen debacle of 2013 is all about John doing what he wants, willing to torpedo his marriage and his relationship with Brady in order to get her the hell away from his son. It was all around terrible writing and I hate that they had John repeatedly exclude Marlena to the point that it destroyed their relationship. Still he unilaterally decided to attempt to seduce Kristen, hurt Marlena, and crush Brady by showing him that Kristen was just using him all along. He was flat out cruel in the things he did and said.

Which eventually leads us to Theresa and his lying to the police, Marlena and Brady about what happened at the mansion that night she brained him with the fire poker. He was all ready to spill his guts and tell Roman Theresa hit him when he sees Kristen there and changes his mind. He did it to keep Kristen away from Brady. Again it was manipulative as hell and he broke the law by lying to the police.

The pattern is that John is going to do what he's going to do regardless of whether it's right or wrong or flat out illegal and nobody is going to stop him. That's how we got to him and Eduardo going into the old airport after Marlena/Ari. He didn't wait for the police, or ask permission. They went in with the intent of killing whomever they had to in order to save their family. He generally has a plan and if he can use others or the police to his benefit he'll do so but in the end, always, John's going to do what John's going to do.

Now the writers are taking that a step further and showing even more disregard for the law. If I understand right your argument is he's never gone this far. Mine is that while true that's only because this scenario hasn't come up yet but the precedent of "vigilante" has been there repeatedly. His degree of shady has always been there from bugging Marlena, lying about being in the ISA, challenging Andre to a duel that turned pretty darn serious, or just picking up a gun time and again to play "hero" and not leave dirty work to others when he feels he's more capable himself.
Nope not my argument. Again, he's never done what Eduardo did. And it's very telling that you can only go back to recent bad story for your examples of shady things.
Edited by Rosebud, Sep 20 2016, 02:07 PM.
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Tammy
Sep 20 2016, 07:54 AM
lysie
Sep 20 2016, 07:44 AM
Tammy
Sep 20 2016, 07:22 AM
Am I seeing things, or was Deidre sporting a bruise on her face? It was covered up by make-up obviously... but I swear I saw it lol.

And also... how is Claire sooo special that she get's to call Marlena "grandma"? LMAO
Will called her grandma too. He and Marlena just would joke about it.
I know... it's just odd that she never does that with Claire. Didn't Deidre used to have a issue with being called grandma on the show? Or am I making that up in my head? lol
I remember when Marlena came back after being gone for awhile (I think it was before Will came out) and he called her Grandma in front of Gabi and Sonny and other friends, and she made a big deal about it. Like she was offended by it.
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