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Monday, September 19th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Sep 18 2016, 02:31 PM (13,246 Views)
PetrovaSalvatore
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

As long as Rafe is not involved in the Orpheus story I'm fine!!
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I resent Paul's closeness with John and Marlena. It should be Brady getting that kind of focus with them. That's on the writers as far as I'm concerned!

Paul works as a character on his own, I hate that they made him John's son. I'd much rather see J&M family scenes with Eric, Brady and Belle.
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lilparisbabe


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Sep 19 2016, 05:59 AM
I resent Paul's closeness with John and Marlena. It should be Brady getting that kind of focus with them. That's on the writers as far as I'm concerned!

Paul works as a character on his own, I hate that they made him John's son. I'd much rather see J&M family scenes with Eric, Brady and Belle.
Understandable but at least I do like Paul. Brady's character has almost gotten to the point of being a pain in the rear every time I see him with John and Marlena. It is nice to see Marlena take Paul under her wing bc he is johns son....reminds me of when she did that for Brady when he was smaller. Someone needs to flood higleys inbox with old Brady Marlena clips from his younger years and show them how it used to be. Until they fix this Maggie matriarch crap I will be happy with Paul being John and Marlena's favorite.
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Sep 19 2016, 05:59 AM
I resent Paul's closeness with John and Marlena. It should be Brady getting that kind of focus with them. That's on the writers as far as I'm concerned!

Paul works as a character on his own, I hate that they made him John's son. I'd much rather see J&M family scenes with Eric, Brady and Belle.
I agree! I'm still a Brady fan. Just like with any character, in my opinion he just needs some tweaking to fix him.

He is Brady Black, the bio son of Isabella and John Black and Marlena raised him as her own. I will always want him returned to the Black family and always hope for him to take his rightful place. To say I haven't gotten pissed at Brady would be a lie, but I want him to be rootable again.

I like Paul, but he is a retcon and he doesn't have the history with the show. I want him to stay and I'm fine with him having story, but I want the true legacy characters to get back up front - Brady AND Eric! I want them both! And Belle can come along for the ride too if she wants. I'm not as attached to Belle, but I get that some people adore her and I got to like her better toward the end of this run.
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Cimz
Sep 18 2016, 06:23 PM

I wish the writers hadn't envisioned Brady as a moron who is closer to his grandfather than to the parents who raised and loved him.

I wish the writers hadn't decided to have Eric treat John as a stepfather he acquired as an adult rather than as the person who raised him, and that he hadn't been sent off canvas for no reason when there were a dozen good reasons for him to stay.

Making Paul John's new son, rather than acknowledging John's existing sons, was stupid.

This is essentially why I don't care for Paul at all. I like CS as an actor but I can't get over feeling like the relationships I care about got shafted in order to promote him. That infuriates me and is why I will never accept him. (unless he is deBlacked)
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Luce


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Sep 18 2016, 06:23 PM
I like Paul in theory. A show that has always struggled with diversity comes up with a gay half-Japanese professional athlete turned action hero? Well done.

I like Paul in practice. On a show where some of the major heroes sweep their crimes under the rug with impunity, here's a genuinely good man who would rather risk himself than see someone else hurt and is appreciative of the kindness John and others send his way.

I like Paul's romantic prospects. The backstory with Sonny has always worked for me, and after being married to an adulterous destructive brat who expected everyone else to clean up his messes and patted himself on the back for it, Sonny deserves to be loved by a grown-up.

I wish the writers hadn't envisioned Brady as a moron who is closer to his grandfather than to the parents who raised and loved him.

I wish the writers hadn't decided to have Eric treat John as a stepfather he acquired as an adult rather than as the person who raised him, and that he hadn't been sent off canvas for no reason when there were a dozen good reasons for him to stay.

Making Paul John's new son, rather than acknowledging John's existing sons, was stupid.

But Paul himself has a place on the show.
Great post. I like some of the situations that being John's son has put Paul in (because he is adorable in family scenes, and because I love the baseball stuff), and I do not have a viewing history with this show such that the retconning of John's backstory/family relationships upset me much.

However, I have always rolled my eyes heavily at how. many. coincidences. they connected Paul to in Salem. The fact that he was Sonny's random ex from San Francisco... AND John's son... AND he slept with Will... blah blah blah. Too much. They could've made some changes to the John's son part, and still produced a worthy story that left Paul with a place on the show.

I would also just add something else that doesn't work with Paul for me, and that's the PI stuff... only because like many, many other things on this show, it was so INSTA!. If they'd gone slower and done some kind of story about Paul struggling with the fact that he hadn't gotten to grow up knowing John, and finding a desire to follow a similar path to feel close to him, and then moved towards actual training related to investigating or police work, I might buy him putting that formal training on hold to run off and go help his dad.

Maybe they could've put him through police training with JJ and then they could've bonded and Paul and JJ would both have a friend (that's not a family member) besides Gabi.

I just really dislike insta!jobs. Will as an award-winning journalist. Theresa as a fashion maven. Paul as a PI. MEH. Dumb.
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I don't mind Paul being John's son, but I do think they could have found a way to make him John's son that didn't mess with history (not that I would have expected anything less from Tomsell)

With that being said, I've been able to look the other way because in my opinion, Paul is written EXACTLY how a son of John Black should be written. He is kind, heroic, courageous, all of the things Brady should have been. I hope one day that maybe the writers will be able to turn Brady around for the better, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Sep 19 2016, 10:09 AM
With that being said, I've been able to look the other way because in my opinion, Paul is written EXACTLY how a son of John Black should be written. He is kind, heroic, courageous, all of the things Brady should have been. I hope one day that maybe the writers will be able to turn Brady around for the better, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
And that is what pisses me off about Paul, as a Brady fan. It SHOULD be Brady who is written as John's son. I don't give a damn about the bond between John and Paul.
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Sep 19 2016, 10:43 AM
Dool2005
Sep 19 2016, 10:09 AM
With that being said, I've been able to look the other way because in my opinion, Paul is written EXACTLY how a son of John Black should be written. He is kind, heroic, courageous, all of the things Brady should have been. I hope one day that maybe the writers will be able to turn Brady around for the better, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
And that is what pisses me off about Paul, as a Brady fan. It SHOULD be Brady who is written as John's son. I don't give a damn about the bond between John and Paul.
My thoughts exactly.
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Cimz


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Sep 19 2016, 10:09 AM
Cimz
Sep 18 2016, 06:23 PM
I like Paul in theory. A show that has always struggled with diversity comes up with a gay half-Japanese professional athlete turned action hero? Well done.

I like Paul in practice. On a show where some of the major heroes sweep their crimes under the rug with impunity, here's a genuinely good man who would rather risk himself than see someone else hurt and is appreciative of the kindness John and others send his way.

I like Paul's romantic prospects. The backstory with Sonny has always worked for me, and after being married to an adulterous destructive brat who expected everyone else to clean up his messes and patted himself on the back for it, Sonny deserves to be loved by a grown-up.

I wish the writers hadn't envisioned Brady as a moron who is closer to his grandfather than to the parents who raised and loved him.

I wish the writers hadn't decided to have Eric treat John as a stepfather he acquired as an adult rather than as the person who raised him, and that he hadn't been sent off canvas for no reason when there were a dozen good reasons for him to stay.

Making Paul John's new son, rather than acknowledging John's existing sons, was stupid.

But Paul himself has a place on the show.
Great post. I like some of the situations that being John's son has put Paul in (because he is adorable in family scenes, and because I love the baseball stuff), and I do not have a viewing history with this show such that the retconning of John's backstory/family relationships upset me much.

However, I have always rolled my eyes heavily at how. many. coincidences. they connected Paul to in Salem. The fact that he was Sonny's random ex from San Francisco... AND John's son... AND he slept with Will... blah blah blah. Too much. They could've made some changes to the John's son part, and still produced a worthy story that left Paul with a place on the show.

I would also just add something else that doesn't work with Paul for me, and that's the PI stuff... only because like many, many other things on this show, it was so INSTA!. If they'd gone slower and done some kind of story about Paul struggling with the fact that he hadn't gotten to grow up knowing John, and finding a desire to follow a similar path to feel close to him, and then moved towards actual training related to investigating or police work, I might buy him putting that formal training on hold to run off and go help his dad.

Maybe they could've put him through police training with JJ and then they could've bonded and Paul and JJ would both have a friend (that's not a family member) besides Gabi.

I just really dislike insta!jobs. Will as an award-winning journalist. Theresa as a fashion maven. Paul as a PI. MEH. Dumb.
I thought Paul's intro story was working just fine without throwing John into it. The stupid retcon was not needed. If there's going to be a retcon, there should be a big benefit, and here there was none. If the show wanted some John/Paul interaction, John could still have talked baseball with Paul and then mentored him when Paul was at loose ends and looking for a post-baseball career. John doesn't need to share DNA with Paul to do that. Although looking at the way John/Eric and John/Sami have been written over the years, I guess there's a pervasive feeling at Days that he does.

I hadn't realized that they went so insta with the P.I. thing since I took a year off and when I came back I just accepted that Paul was a P.I. now. It doesn't seem like a reach for him character-wise; he has a desire for social justice and a history of doing work that requires him to be in good physical condition and push through pain. On the other hand, I did not ever accept that Will was a talented writer or Theresa a talented designer. I thought they were both too fond of taking the easy way out to put in the effort to be talented at any craft that requires honing over a period of years.
Edited by Cimz, Sep 19 2016, 10:52 AM.
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Cimz


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Sep 19 2016, 08:34 AM
Cimz
Sep 18 2016, 06:23 PM

I wish the writers hadn't envisioned Brady as a moron who is closer to his grandfather than to the parents who raised and loved him.

I wish the writers hadn't decided to have Eric treat John as a stepfather he acquired as an adult rather than as the person who raised him, and that he hadn't been sent off canvas for no reason when there were a dozen good reasons for him to stay.

Making Paul John's new son, rather than acknowledging John's existing sons, was stupid.

This is essentially why I don't care for Paul at all. I like CS as an actor but I can't get over feeling like the relationships I care about got shafted in order to promote him. That infuriates me and is why I will never accept him. (unless he is deBlacked)
I'm not giving the show a pass on shafting those relationships at all, but I do think they were shafted before Paul and would have been shafted regardless of Paul. Why they want Brady to be all Kirkiakis (and the dimmest bulb in any ten lamp stores) and why they couldn't see the value in Eric baffle me. I wish there was an explanation as easy as "it's to prop Paul, who never needed propping" so I could just hate Paul and get on with it.
Edited by Cimz, Sep 19 2016, 11:01 AM.
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Phillip is at the hospital and sees Maggie walking with her cruches tells her it's fantastic.
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Chloe is on the phone with her mom tells her the real father is not a good man.
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Deimos tells Dario I have a reason Chloe carrying my baby not Phillip. He said I'll take care of that for you.
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Lovejm


I'll be in and out today.

Philip and Maggie.

Deimos Dario

Not a good start.
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Gabi and rafe talking about the escape
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Gabi and Rafe eating at the pub. She tells him if JJ is not careful because of Clyde that he might ends up dead.
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Marlena made John breakfast in bed
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Marlena makes breakfast for John and Ed knocks on his door and tells him I need your help.
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