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What do you think so far?
Topic Started: Sep 25 2016, 09:58 AM (4,157 Views)
lysie


We've had new writers for a couple of weeks. What's good? What's bad? What's different?
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The good: bursting of bubbles. Family members acting like family members (with one big exception - I'm looking at you, Brady Black). Even the more controversial aspects of the writing - the bonding of Chad and Gabby, for example - are at least being handled with more care than they were in the previous writing regime. The reintroduction of Orpheus, Clyde and Xander was inspired, especially in the way that each villain has enough targets to terrorize almost the entire cast.

The bad: the continuation of Brady in the Kiriakis clan, which I honestly wouldn't care about at all if they'd also have him having similar, frequent bonding with the Black family. The continuation of Deimos Kiriakis as the next big thing. The character hasn't been on canvas long enough or made a big enough impact to have earned the sort of story focus he's getting. He's terrible as a romantic lead, and as a villain he lacks the intensity or menace of any of the three villains currently terrorizing the canvas. Plus, Nicole is wasted on him and his contrived storylines. The baby storyline is ridiculous and a waste of Chloe and Nicole as characters. The teen scene needs a major reboot.

The meh: Some of the transitions from where the stories are to where the writers want the stories to go has been hamhanded, but I'm forgiving because I'd rather get to the new stuff quickly, for the most part. I'm not enthralled with any of the stories the way I was with, say, Eric and Nicole in the rectory or Steve and Kayla at the beginning of their story. Those stories both had the advantage of a glacial relationship pace, which allowed anticipation to build to almost painful proportions. We need at least one or two of those kinds of stories going most of the time.
Edited by pagraves, Sep 25 2016, 10:45 AM.
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The show is better than it was, but there should be more deaths. Kill Deimos, Dario and Nicole unless Eric is coming back.

Kill and kill again and kill more and more. The more killings, the better!
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lysie


I was looking back at a similar thread from this time last year. Overall, there was much more optimism. Of course, we know that tanked pretty quickly. I like the current show better than what we've had for the majority of 2016. I like that bubbles have burst. I don't think the show has the momentum it had during last year's change...but considering how quickly that went south, that might not be a bad thing.

The bad part of the show right now is that episodes (for me) are either watchable OR THE WORST THING THAT EVER AIRED. I wish the show could get to a place where it's bad episodes aren't straight up infuriating.


I might come back in later and do how I feel about individual characters now. I'm only telling y'all this in case you want to do it, too. ;)
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Bigboy


I think these writers are better than last years despite my negative comments about it i do like that they are bring Carrie and Austin back i loved Christina she was babe i hope its long term not just just short term and Austin although i not a fan of i hopes it the Austin that i first saw in 2006 not the one in 2011 he was better. Not sure if this was Dena' doing or Ryan's but this what i am looking forward to most as Christmas is coming seeing Carrie would make me tune in as you know i have not watched since 2014 properly.
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Cimz


The good:

Cast integration is much improved. A few months ago we would never have seen Theo having a conversation with Adrienne or Eve and Nicole making plans to go drinking.

The prison escape "event" has been fun. It doesn't look like there will be long-lasting effects on Salem, but that's fine. It's okay to just enjoy things in the short run, and the three villains are very entertaining.

The bad:

The pivot toward DiMera vs. Kirkiakis. If there was ever a time for that, it is past. The DiMeras as that sort of a force are over-- Chad and Theo have the DNA and nothing more. And while the Kiriakis family COULD be strong and dynamic and interesting, the way it usurps characters who shouldn't be a part of that is an ongoing annoyance.

The standard Higley sexism. I realize that men dramatically rescuing their love interests from mortal peril is a major soap staple and I love it. But the constant vibe of women not having a say in any aspect of their lives-- most notable among the omnipresent Kiriakises-- is gross. Family meetings about how to handle a problem should include both genders, women's living arrangements should not be discussed over their heads as if they are toddlers, and Chloe should own her own damn body.
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The good: Definitely the bursting of bubbles. People don't want to watch the same characters interacting on a daily basis. It's infuriating. So, it's nice to see different people mixing it up. It also seems like friendships and family interactions are better so far with this regime, which is nice. There are also a lot of returns coming up that are holding out some excitement for me for the show.

The bad: Oy. There's a lot of complaints for me, which is something I didn't have many of this time last year. I hate everything Kiriakis. If I didn't know any better, I'd think Victor was the spawn of Tom and Alice Horton because his family is front and center all the damn time. Deimos is about as close to irrelevant as you can get, and he's dragging Chloe and Nicole down with him. And after the damage those two have suffered at the likes of Daniel, it's hard to imagine things getting worse for either character. Also, who are the rooting couples? Last year we had Chabby, Bope, and Stayla, and right now we've got.... Um... Doug and Julie? It's great to have all these villains come in and shake things up for the supercouples, but I'm not feeling that romantic desperation that I felt last year when Bo was willing to do anything to get home to Hope. The action is good, but they need to kick the romance up a notch. And not with Deimos/Nicole. Barf.
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Daysalltheway


I too like that the characters are shown with other less obvious ones. I like at the families are more intergrated. Oh my goodness we actually had a scene with Steve and Adrienne! Theo and Chad are great too. I'm glad the writers remembered that they are family. I am actually liking the stories so far.

The bad is this upcoming kiriakas vs DiMera feud. It makes no sense there are no DiMeras except Chad theo Thomas and Andre. If they wanted a feud they should have brought in more DiMeras or come up with something else. The whole town hating Chad will not be a good thing to watch because we all know that kiriakas are good guys now🙄
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The town of Salem feels like a town again. They have done a great job integrating the cast and using history.
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I was glad to see the writing for Belle had improve. I enjoyed her last couple of weeks on the show.
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I haven't watched for about half a year but I've tuned in this last week or so to see if there would be any improvement.

I like that the characters are interacting more. I liked that Nicole and Eve were allowed to have a conversation that was just that--a conversation. I saw JJ and Claire interacting and spent their scenes wondering "Is this important? Are they putting them together? Nah, they're cousins. Have they interacted before?" Little things like characters interacting and talking are more important to me than I realized. That's my biggest takeaway from the change.

I could do without certain stories (it wouldn't be Higley without a paternity switch) and characters. I can see that the pacing might be troublesome. Some of the stories feel forced. But overall, the show is watchable again and that's all I really wanted.
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Bellarke <3

The good:

- The villains
- The use of history
- Bubbles bursting
- Good use of vets
- Theo's autism not being ignored.
- Less singing from Claire

The bad:
- The Deimos/Nicole/Philip/Chloe baby drama
- Brady Kiriakis
- Bad, mismatched couples still together with no apparent end: NicoDeimos, Rope, and Ludrienne.
- Characters still talking about Daniel
- Inconsistent writing
- Having characters talk about how secure the Kiriakis mansion is after Orpheus held people hostage there.
- The Kiriakis family dynamics: why is Deimos taking charge?!
- The episodes that focus on the Kiriakis family are the worst.
- Somewhat sexist dialogue.
- Shelle's exit.

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pagraves
Sep 25 2016, 10:44 AM
The good: bursting of bubbles. Family members acting like family members (with one big exception - I'm looking at you, Brady Black). Even the more controversial aspects of the writing - the bonding of Chad and Gabby, for example - are at least being handled with more care than they were in the previous writing regime. The reintroduction of Orpheus, Clyde and Xander was inspired, especially in the way that each villain has enough targets to terrorize almost the entire cast.

The bad: the continuation of Brady in the Kiriakis clan, which I honestly wouldn't care about at all if they'd also have him having similar, frequent bonding with the Black family. The continuation of Deimos Kiriakis as the next big thing. The character hasn't been on canvas long enough or made a big enough impact to have earned the sort of story focus he's getting. He's terrible as a romantic lead, and as a villain he lacks the intensity or menace of any of the three villains currently terrorizing the canvas. Plus, Nicole is wasted on him and his contrived storylines. The baby storyline is ridiculous and a waste of Chloe and Nicole as characters. The teen scene needs a major reboot.

The meh: Some of the transitions from where the stories are to where the writers want the stories to go has been hamhanded, but I'm forgiving because I'd rather get to the new stuff quickly, for the most part. I'm not enthralled with any of the stories the way I was with, say, Eric and Nicole in the rectory or Steve and Kayla at the beginning of their story. Those stories both had the advantage of a glacial relationship pace, which allowed anticipation to build to almost painful proportions. We need at least one or two of those kinds of stories going most of the time.
In regards to Brady - I'm hoping once Theresa is off-canvas, he really hits rock-bottom - picks up the bottle again, starts snorting whatever he can find, etc - and then has an intervention by his ACTUAL parents with Haggie & Victor no where to be found. The show trying to continually set up those two as the next Tom & Alice is not working. Like at all. Split 'em up, send them on a never ending cruise or kill off Maggie (I know it's wishful thinking, but the show could use the drama) and have Victor be a widower with Caroline as his lady-friend for Christmas, New Years, etc.

I still think they'd have been better off keeping Deimos as an unapologetic, evil bastard. +1 if he'd have seduced Hope when he got to Salem too, and then she found out that he was the mastermind behind Bo's torture and death, but he set up some flunky to take the fall for it even tho everyone knows the truth. Deimos as a criminal mastermind MIGHT have been interesting. Deimos as a nice guy is boring as hell & ITA - Nicole & Chloe are being WASTED on this assclown.

The teen scene. For starters, I'd love to see them send both Joey and Ciara off to whogivesafuckistan for vacation and have them come back as people that can act & emote. This ain't Glee, Claire. That and give them all jobs - no reason Joey can't be seen at the Pub waiting tables, or Claire interning at BlackPatch® or working as a candystriper at the hospital with Kayla, Marlena, etc. Theo could easily work for Chad as an intern, too or at the HTS serving coffee, etc. Again - there's nothing TO the teens right now to really invest in, IMO.

I'm not overly fond of Chad right now. He sent Belle to Hong Kong :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff: , and I'm glad they got Ciara the H away from him, but I still would love to see him just focus on being a dad more right now than worrying about making DiMera a respectable name or corporation. Gabi being his tie picker-outer is a joke. A bad one at that. I can't even call it a storyline twist because there isn't a storyline to twist. That and the ridiculous custody battle w/him and Jennifer was a bust. They should have had him take Thomas on a father/son trip somewhere and given him a rest for a couple of weeks before any of this was set up and before Abby came back (which they TOTALLY should have kept on the hush-hush).

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The utter dismantling of the Hernandez family is a good thing. Too much of characters that I don't know or GAF about - nothing against any of the actors, but there was nothing TO the characters to like. That can pretty much be said of the ones that are remaining, but at least we're not subject to watching their family meals while other legacy families cough cough the Blacks and the Johnsons cough are ignored.

Speaking of the Blacks and Johnsons...THERE are your cornerstone couples, Days. And their kids - Belle & Shawn, Brady, Eric, Stephanie and Joey as well as Paul/Sonny, Nicole (in a damn triangle w/Eric & Brady!!), etc - should all be on-canvas and portrayed by capable actors and the characters should have careers or be in college, dreams, aspirations and flaws that viewers can relate to. Wandering around MurderPark and the HTS suckin down coffee is fine once in a while, but it ain't interesting enough to make me want to see it every day. The kids (adult or otherwise) get into situations and J&M and S&K have to help once in a while, but for the most part stay out of it and get into situations of their own at times, then beat the odds and end up together and happy again.

Some of it sounds corny and/or far-fetched, I know - it's all JMO.

ETA: They should kill Roman, too. He's an obsolete character and they need the drama it could bring to his loved ones.

And stop talking about Daniel.
Edited by No1_ILoveLucyFan, Sep 25 2016, 12:38 PM.
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4ever DAYS
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Salem needs a bigger cemetery!
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Maybe I'm not the norm, but my positive list way outweighs my negative since for me, even the slower paced episodes are so much better than anything from 2016.

Positives:

bubbles burst-people are interacting again-Hope/Kayla, Brady/Nicole, ETC
reconnecting Kate/Chad and making good use of history
Actually noticing family or friend connections(Steve/Adrienne, JJ/Claire)
re-connecting people like Chad/Gabi or Paul/Sonny in a slower/believable way
Talking about characters on the previous day, especially with the villians-Hope/Abe worried about John, Theresa worried about Joey
Theo's autism actually getting focus
the teens actually acting like teens and fading into an umbrella story
the villians and involving most of the town in this story

the negative
too much Deimos-I'd rather see Justin or even Philip take over as head Kirakis
the baby story seems trite-I wanted something better for Nicole
Brady-I want him to interact with Jarlena and co too
Rafe is becoming overly judgemental again-not a good look
can't we get rid of Dario

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Lovejm


I agree about the bubbles. There's different interactions. People have friends. Hope knows people other than Rafe, Marlena/Kayla, Brady/Nicole even JJ/Claire interacting.

The days the villains are on are almost all good. The days they are not are totally dominated by the Kiriakas and it makes me ragey. Brady is beyond useless and I'm prepared to rant about him all week while John and Marlena are being shot at and Claire is missing and he is MIA.

I was telling a friend the other day, for me as a big John and Marlena fan, last year was nice and all with them reuniting but I prefer this Orpheus stuff for them. This adversity from a threat is usually some of their best stuff.

The two huge negatives are the baby story and the Kiriakas. I also have an issue so far with Kayla being either unconscious or gagged while things happen around her. Ties into some of the sexism mentioned above. Marlena seems to be doing some police psychiatrist work the next few weeks, Kaylas doctors Abe also so I hope they both get things like that to do instead of wringing their hands while the men fight the bad guys.
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The show, as a whole, is better. It feels better. It feels more cohesive. But there's still a long way to go.

I do think that they are picking up on cliffhangers better, with some exceptions (why Stayla wasn't on this past Friday's show, after the Thursday cliffhanger, seemed like a missed emotional opportunity).

I'm glad that they wrapped up some things like Maggie's paralysis. I'm glad that Ciara has been pushed to the backburner (no more Chad infatuation), because there was too much focus on her. I like that they are trimming some of the casting fat (which is not a knock on the actors, but the cast was bloated). And while it's only been a few weeks, I feel like we're going to have better consistency and focus (as opposed to having one set of characters dominate while everyone else disappears for a month).

Most importantly, what they've chosen as a 'transition story' (The 3 Villains) has been executed pretty well so far. It's an umbrella story that affects many characters, and is forcing them into situations where they can interact with one another. I think it's 're-setting the table' in a way to move relationships along and prompt other stories to move forward.

So far, so good. Let's see if they can keep it up.
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Hugo


I'm so relieved that Hope and her daughter Ciara are no longer eating the show. I couldn't stand either of them and their stories. As a result, a lot of underused characters are getting more airtime now and that makes me happy.

Otherwise, I agree with most of you. I appreciate all the family scenes, I like that there's more action and suspense thanks to villains.

I feel like we are still missing on the romance front, we don't really have strong couples on the canvas right now expect the old supercouples. The writers should have kept Shelle, they should have developed JJ/Gabi more before throwing Chad into the mix, they should put Paul and Sonny together.
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The Good- seeing more Justin and having Sonny back. Finally getting that overdue Steve/Adrienne scenes- need more. And yes the interactions are better too. The Villians have added spark to the show. Less of Dopes on the Rope, and the decrease of Hernandez family wish they would stay gone.

The annoying/bad:
Too much of Demios and Brady with Kiriakis- I wish they both would go away.
The teens- minus Theo
The baby story with Demios, Nicole, poor Chloe and Phillip. It's all so stupid
Still too much Theresa
The joke of the DiMera family and this up coming feud with the Kiriakis. So stupid. It's all a joke.
Anything with Aiden and him being the DA.
Stupid Demios running the Kiriakis family- what a joke- Justin should be running the family.
Maggie, Theresa, Hope, Nicole, just being on period.
Adrienne still with Lucas and living at the DiMera mansion

Overall it's better than when JG was writing, but still lots of sour apples on the show that need to go away.

Edited by Mirage75, Sep 25 2016, 04:29 PM.
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Long Live Stefano (RIP JOE)

I liked the character interacting more it still could be better I mean seriously why wasn't Caroline at the hospital with Kayla, Even though Abby is alive It would be nice If Eve had stop by Jennifer's and gave her condolences being that they're going through the same thing..


I love VI but he need something else to do on the show I still don't see a difference in production Days last best production quality to me was in 2008 I would give 2013 it's props a little..
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