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Wednesday, October 5th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Oct 4 2016, 07:57 PM (9,446 Views)
trojangal
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Amazee-Dayzee
Oct 5 2016, 05:52 PM
I love me some Aiden. Its such a shame that they are throwing him under the bus and making him be evil and unredeemable. Him and Hope still have chemistry!
He was already thrown under the bus last time he was in the show,
this time they are backing up the bus over him . Wish they could have gone another
direction with his character because I like DC
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KLK
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Well I am shocked, I am loving the Joey/Orph scenes. I want to know more about his kids, I want them to show up in Salem.
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bygnedys
Oct 5 2016, 01:10 PM
Orphy really holds a grudge, Steve and Kayla helped along with Hope in the first rescue attempt and he is still mad at that.

I don't get that. They were really just a minor footnote in the Orpheus story.
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Thank you JCP.

It could still go to Roman, I read the recaps and Steve just said Orpheus kidnaps the wife of the man who killed his wife and wanted her to be his kids mother. He didn't actually say it was Ro-John. I wonder if Adrienne ever told Steve that she is the one that saved him and Kayla in Stockholm.
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DrewHamilton
Oct 5 2016, 01:35 PM
I hate how easily accessible $20 million is to people in Salem. I get that John is wealthy. I get that Victor is wealthy. I get that Chad is wealthy. But I have a hard time believing that any of them could just access that kind of money that quickly and in cash. I like what GH did a few years ago when Jerry Jacks poisoned the water supply in Port Charles. In order to give the cure, Jerry wanted a large sum of money. Sonny, Todd and the Quartermaines banded together in order to get Jerry the amount of money he wanted. That would've been more believable for H&Q to do. Have John, Chad and Victor come up with that amount together, rather than make it seem like John has the ability to just go up to the ATM machine and withdraw $20 million.
John said he called in some favors and got most of the money raised, but not the whole $20 million. He said he and Marlena could kick in some.
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Rosebud
Oct 5 2016, 02:23 PM
PetrovaSalvatore
Oct 5 2016, 01:54 PM
Are they really not involving Roman in all this? I'm not complaining but you'd think he'd be at least a little bit more involved. It's a shame RoWayne never got to interact with Orpheus.
They mention the wife shooting today but didn't say who killed her. They seem to be keeping that very vague LOL
Hope said Chase shot his mother... That is what she used to blackmail Aiden back. :blulaugh:
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Normally, I can over look things on this show, and I though I could over look this too. But the fact that Roman has not been involved in this Orpheus thing irritates me! I really need someone to say "John DIDN'T Kill your wife... it was ROMAN!" Granted they can't use any flashbacks of JT as Roman... but that shouldn't matter because they aren't using flashbacks anyways!

Now if Orpheus wants to blame John for shooting him and leaving him for dead... fine he actually DID that! But don't keep up with this "He killed your wife" shit... because he didn't!

This whole lack of continuity bothers me. I feel sorry for people trying to keep up who don't know the history of 1986 lol.
Edited by Tammy, Oct 6 2016, 06:31 AM.
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Half Halt
Oct 5 2016, 07:22 PM
Rosebud
Oct 5 2016, 02:23 PM
PetrovaSalvatore
Oct 5 2016, 01:54 PM
Are they really not involving Roman in all this? I'm not complaining but you'd think he'd be at least a little bit more involved. It's a shame RoWayne never got to interact with Orpheus.
They mention the wife shooting today but didn't say who killed her. They seem to be keeping that very vague LOL
Hope said Chase shot his mother... That is what she used to blackmail Aiden back. :blulaugh:
We weren't talking about Aiden's wife.
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Tammy
Oct 5 2016, 07:29 PM
Normally, I can over look things on this show, and I though I could over look this too. But the fact that Roman has not been involved in this Orpheus thing irritates me! I really need someone to say "John DIDN'T Kill you wife... it was ROMAN!" Granted they can't use any flashbacks of JT as Roman... but that shouldn't matter because they aren't using flashbacks anyways!

Now if Orpheus wants to blame John for shooting him and leaving him for dead... fine he actually DID that! But don't keep up with this "He killed your wife shit... because he didn't!

This whole lack of continuity bothers me. I feel sorry for people trying to keep up who don't know the history of 1986 lol.
They didn't say John killed Orpheus' wife.
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lancer
Oct 5 2016, 04:15 PM
BTW, don't look for Orpheus' shooting on 1986 DVDs. It happened in 1987. I think it was sometime in April. The same week that Bo and Hope left the show.
LOL I call everything from when John appeared in Salem to when Marlena "dies" my '86 DVDs :D
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Tammy
Oct 5 2016, 07:29 PM
Normally, I can over look things on this show, and I though I could over look this too. But the fact that Roman has not been involved in this Orpheus thing irritates me! I really need someone to say "John DIDN'T Kill you wife... it was ROMAN!" Granted they can't use any flashbacks of JT as Roman... but that shouldn't matter because they aren't using flashbacks anyways!

Now if Orpheus wants to blame John for shooting him and leaving him for dead... fine he actually DID that! But don't keep up with this "He killed your wife shit... because he didn't!

This whole lack of continuity bothers me. I feel sorry for people trying to keep up who don't know the history of 1986 lol.
It's a joke. No, they haven't said that John killed her. They have twice said that Marlena's husband did it. Today and Orpheus said it at Victor's house at the wedding. Talk about confusing newer viewers. Hell, forget newer. People who weren't watching 30 years ago and haven't seen it on YouTube or, I guess, tapes or dads they acquired.

If they were talking about Roman they'd be saying former husband. If you want to get into semantics about at the time, he wasn't married to marlena at the time. It happened before Roman met Marlena.

Who is playing Roman is irrelevant to flashbacks. It's not like Wayne's Roman had scenes with Orpheus. It's retconned in history.

Broken record here. I can get the thinking of them not wanting to reference John as Roman. It's been 25 years. But then don't use Orpheus. They chose to bring the character back. The guys overriding motivation was revenge for his wife.

I do want to make it clear that him going after john I'm fine with. He did shoot him. Good reason for revenge there. But it would not take precedent over payback for his wife. I just thought of something. He should be even angrier about it. All that work he did 30 years ago and the guy who killed his wife didn't even suffer through it. The thirst for payback should be even worse.
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aspidistra
Oct 5 2016, 04:57 PM
Orpheus shot on April 23. Also Marlena's plane goes down and she's presumed dead for the next four years.

Bo and Hope farewell party April 17. Their last day April 20.
Seems right. Their last day was a Monday. On the previous Friday, there was a going away party where the family said goodbye. Rojohn was on the island by Monday which was their last day. Orpheus got killed later that week. And I believe it was at the end of that episode that Marlena's plane went down in the ocean. The next show he was at Orpheus' house with Olivia. She is going to raise the children. That is where his surviving is dicey. John didn't leave the body and never go back.

Of course, this is Days. There have been a lot more egregious undone deaths than his in ensuing years. In 1987, though, some characters would actually stay dead. Maybe not Stefano, but he was among the exceptions. Now they are pretty much all exceptions.
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Oct 5 2016, 11:13 AM
I wish Aiden had just blackmailed Hope into dumping Rafe and sending Ciara to boot camp and then telling Hope I don't want your murderous ass. Just doing it to cause you horrific pain.
I'd actually respect that. Right now he's just pathetic. She's actually chosen Rafe over you man. Have some self-respect or at the very least, use what you know to help your kid. As someone else mentioned, why isn't he blackmailing her to get the charges completely dropped against Chase? Begging her to come back? Really Aiden?

Aiden as a heel, has possibilities. He could be using her to go after Andre or be spiteful to Rafe, instead he's just embarrassing.
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PetrovaSalvatore
Oct 5 2016, 03:07 PM
Orpheus shot Steve and kidnapped Joey because Steve/Kayla helped RoJarlena escaped from him 30 years ago!? Talk about holding a grudge! :blulaugh:
Someone here has speculated that maybe Orpheus' daughter is Ava and her kid is his grandchild. Ava's got a ton of history with J&M plus S&K and that would make a lot of sense.
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PetrovaSalvatore
Oct 5 2016, 11:51 AM
Lovejm
Oct 5 2016, 11:01 AM
Steve and Marlena talking. John comes home with ransom money
With the 20 million? Guess being an Alamain has its advantages lol
He also inherited Isabella's Tuscano/Kiriakis money :D
Edited by Rosebud, Oct 5 2016, 11:21 PM.
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Very good episode, the script was on point!
Abe/Theo, Jarlena/Stayla, Orpheus/Joey, all great scenes!
Even the Hope/Aiden stuff was pretty good.
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trojangal
Oct 5 2016, 06:01 PM
Amazee-Dayzee
Oct 5 2016, 05:52 PM
I love me some Aiden. Its such a shame that they are throwing him under the bus and making him be evil and unredeemable. Him and Hope still have chemistry!
He was already thrown under the bus last time he was in the show,
this time they are backing up the bus over him . Wish they could have gone another
direction with his character because I like DC
I agree. I wanted Aiden to be redeemed because I love the actor but the writers missed that opportunity. There's no way to salvage the character at this point, I think most viewers distaste him and it won't change even if they retcon everything. I'm ready to move on from this character and this story.

I wish we could move on from Rope as well, I remember thinking they had potential back in the day, before Hope was paired with Aiden and Rafe with Jordan. I remember a cute scene when Hope and Ciara visited him at his apartment after he got out of the hospital. But Rope will never work now, not after the writers completely messed up the beginning of their "love story". And it's not just the bad writing, I don't buy that these 2 are in love, something is really off between Kristian and Galen.
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Time for Aiden to die and be done with him.
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Rosebud
Oct 5 2016, 11:20 PM
PetrovaSalvatore
Oct 5 2016, 11:51 AM
Lovejm
Oct 5 2016, 11:01 AM
Steve and Marlena talking. John comes home with ransom money
With the 20 million? Guess being an Alamain has its advantages lol
He also inherited Isabella's Tuscano/Kiriakis money :D
I doubt he has that anymore... remember he went broke paying back investors he never stole from. The only money he has now is from selling Basic Black.

And no Orpheus hasn't said directly (that I recall) that John shot his wife. However all his "revenge" seems to hinge on that. I don't know... the whole thing is a clusterfuck really lol. What's sad is that the show has lowered the bar so low... I am still enjoying this sl LOL!
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Wow! Finally an interesting episode! I'm interested in Orpheus' children.
But would it have killed them to show some flashbacks of Orpheus/children and Marlena or at least Orpheus/Marlena?
Btw I loved the set they were on, was it outside?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkY1tSqIh1o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWleU8EQBFI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALl-3RNsl-c
Edited by thepadange, Oct 6 2016, 06:50 AM.
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