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Topic Started: Oct 7 2016, 04:26 PM (50,222 Views)
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DesignatedShelley
Oct 8 2016, 02:48 PM
The term is "implicit bias", and it is an actual thing that actual psychologists have studied for a while. It is socially widespread and not confined to one race, gender, sexuality, religion, or, as it happens, to one career field. Fortunately studies indicate that implicit bias can be unlearned.

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/faqs.html

IAT (Implicit Association Test)

*** Begin quote from Harvard University ***

What is an attitude?

An attitude is your evaluation of some concept (person, place, thing, or idea). An explicit attitude is the kind of attitude that you deliberately think about and report. For example, you could tell someone whether or not you like math. That is your explicit attitude. Implicit attitudes are positive and negative evaluations that occur outside of our conscious awareness and control. Even if you say that you like math (your explicit attitude), it is possible that you associate math with negativity without knowing it. In this case, we would say that your implicit attitude toward math is negative.


What are implicit and explicit stereotypes?

Stereotypes are the belief that most members of a group have some characteristic. Some examples of stereotypes are the belief that women are nurturing or the belief that police officers like donuts. An explicit stereotype is the kind that you deliberately think about and report. An implicit stereotype is one that occurs outside of conscious awareness and control. Even if you say that men and women are equally good at math, it is possible that you associate math with men without knowing it. In this case we would say that you have an implicit math-men stereotype.


How does the IAT measure implicit attitudes and stereotypes?

The IAT measures the strength of associations between concepts (e.g., black people, gay people) and evaluations (e.g., good, bad) or stereotypes (e.g., athletic, clumsy). The main idea is that making a response is easier when closely related items share the same response key. We would say that one has an implicit preference for straight people relative to gay people if they are faster to categorize words when Gay People and Bad share a response relative to when Gay People and Good share a response key. See link for more detail.


What does it mean that my IAT score is labeled 'slight', 'moderate', or 'strong'?

If you respond faster when flower pictures and pleasant words are paired on a single key than when insect pictures and pleasant words are paired on a single key, we would say that you have an implicit preference for flowers relative to insects. The labels slight, moderate and strong reflect the strength of the implicit preference -- how much faster do you respond to flowers + pleasant versus insects + pleasant.


What does it mean that my feedback says that there were too many errors to determine a result?

The IAT requires a certain number of correct responses in order to get results. If you made too many errors while completing the test you will get the feedback that there were too many errors to determine a result. This is different from the result saying that you show little or no association between concepts.


What does it mean if I take the test more than once and get different results?

Although the IAT is a well-validated measure of implicit attitudes, no test is perfectly accurate and some variation is to be expected. We encourage you to take a test more than once. If you get similar feedback more than once, you can be more certain about the accuracy of your results. If you get somewhat dissimilar feedback two times you can simply average the results. It is unusual for someone to get very different feedback but, if you do, you can think of your test results as being inconclusive.


Could the result be a function of the order in which I did the two parts?

This is a very common question. The answer is yes, the order in which you take the test does have some influence on your overall results. However, the difference is very small. So if you first pair gay people + bad and then pair gay people + good, your results might be a just a tiny bit more negative than they would be if you had done the reverse pairing first. One way that we try to minimize this order effect is by giving more practice trials before the second pairing than we did before the first pairing. It is also important to know that each participant is randomly assigned to an order, so half of test-takers complete gay people + bad and then gay people + good, and the other half of test-takers get the opposite order.


Could the result be a function of handedness or hand-eye coordination?

There is no evidence that handedness influences IAT scores. When thinking about the influence of hand-eye coordination or cognitive ability, keep in mind how the test works. In a gay-straight IAT we measure how long it takes people to categorize items when gay + good share a response key versus when gay + bad share a response key. People who have better hand-eye coordination or higher cognitive ability might be generally faster to respond, but there is no reason to think that they would be faster in one category pairing versus the other. For this reason we do not think that hand-eye coordination will influence IAT scores.


Might my preference for one group over the other be due to differences in familiarity with the groups?

Research shows that IAT scores are not influenced by familiarity with the individual items to be categorized. Also, faces used in the IATs here should all be equally unfamiliar to everyone. That said, this is a tough question. Classic research in psychology shows that people tend to like things that they are familiar with. So, there may be a role for familiarity in liking of the categories. But also people avoid things that they don't like, so it is possible that implicit bias is what leads to unfamiliarity.


Might my preference for one group over another be a simple ingroup preference?

A simple preference for the ingroup might partially explain implicit bias for white respondents. However, it is also more than that. There are plenty of tests on which people prefer one group or the other even when they do not belong to either group. For example, Asian participants tend to show an implicit preference for White people relative to Black people. In this sense the IAT might also reflect what is learned from a culture that does not regard Black people as highly as White people. It is also interesting to note that about half of Black participants show an implicit preference for White people relative to Black people... this would certainly not reflect an ingroup bias.


Do black participants show a preference for black over white on the race attitude IAT? Do gay participants show a preference for gay over straight? Do older participants show a preference for old over young?

Results from this website consistently show that members of stigmatized groups (Black people, gay people, older people) tend to have more positive implicit attitudes toward their groups than do people who are not in the group, but that there is still a moderate preference for the more socially valued group. So gay people tend to show an implicit preference for straight people relative to gay people, but it is not as strong as the implicit preference shown by straight people. We think that this is because stigmatized group members develop negative associations about their group from their cultural environments, but also have some positive associations because of their own group membership and that of close others.


If my IAT shows that I have an implicit preference for one group over another, does that mean I am prejudiced?

Social psychologists use the word prejudice to describe people who report and approve negative attitudes toward outgroups. Most people who show an implicit preference for one group (e.g., White people) over another (e.g., Black people) are not prejudiced by this definition. The IAT shows biases that are not endorsed and that may even be contradictory to what one consciously believes. So, no, we would not say that such people are prejudiced. It is important to know, however, that implicit biases can predict behavior. When we relax our active efforts to be egalitarian, our implicit biases can lead to discriminatory behavior, so it is critical to be mindful of this possibility if we want to avoid prejudice and discrimination.


Where do implicit attitudes come from? Is it me or my culture?

Implicit preferences for majority groups (e.g., White people) are common because of strong negative associations with Black people in American society. Black people are often portrayed negatively in culture and mass media, and there is a long history of racial discrimination in the United States. However, even if our attitudes come from our culture, they are still in our own minds and can influence our behavior if we are not vigilant to not let them.


What can I do about an implicit preference that I don't want?

It is well-established that implicit preferences can affect behavior. But, there is not yet enough research to say for sure that implicit biases can be reduced, let alone eliminated. Therefore, we encourage people not to focus on strategies for reducing bias, but to focus instead on strategies that deny implicit biases the chance to operate. One such strategy is ensuring that implicit biases don't leak out in the first place. To do that, you can "blind" yourself from learning a person's gender, race, etc. when you're making a decision about them (e.g., having their name removed from the top of a resume). If you only evaluate a person on the things that matter for a decision, then you can't be swayed by demographic factors. Another strategy is to try to compensate for your implicit preferences. For example, if you have an implicit preference for young people you can try to be friendlier toward elderly people. Although it has not been well-studied, based on what we know about how biases form we also recommend that people consider what gets into their minds in the first place. This might mean avoiding television programs and movies that portray women and minority group members in negative or stereotypical ways.

*** End quote from Harvard University ***
Edited by nananana7, Oct 8 2016, 04:25 PM.
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Interesa ing article on the Huffington post:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57f829a0e4b068ecb5de9530
But Hower, a feisty 70-year-old part-time school teacher and dedicated conservative, objected to Trump’s decision to fire back at his critics on Friday by attacking former President Bill Clinton’s history of marital infidelity and Hillary Clinton’s responses to it over the years.

“That’s not smart,” she said. “I don’t want him to do that, and hope he doesn’t. Bill Clinton is not running for office, and her attitudes about what he did or didn’t do are beside the point.”

“I wish that Mr. Trump would just concentrate on giving substantive, direct answers the questions and stating his positions,” Hower said over lunch the Blue Parrot Bistro near the town square. “He can’t get distracted by the emotions and attacks.”
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The taxes,The Cuba embargo could be considered October surprises too.
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Here's another recording of Trump with Howard Stern talking about Ivanas ass.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/trump-on-howard-stern/index.html
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Anyway, this works fine. Honey, you look horrific.

laurondo
Oct 8 2016, 03:44 PM
Restless84
Oct 8 2016, 03:34 PM
Stop and frisk worked and reduced crime dramatically in NYC.
So it's okay to target latinos and black people then? Because that's what it was doing and why so many people have a problem with it.
Stop and frisk did NOT reduce crime dramatically in New York City:

"The findings reveal, among other things, that approximately half of SQF arrests did not lead to a conviction; stop and frisk led to few convictions for violence or gun-related crimes, with trespass, disorderly conduct, and other relatively minor crimes and violations constituting the majority of charges at conviction; and stop and frisk rarely led to the imposition of a jail or prison sentence. Moreover, these findings suggest that stop and frisk imposes significant costs and burdens on prosecutors and the court system as a whole." (Emphasis added).

Read the 2013 Attorney General's Report for yourself. The quote above is from the conclusion section on page 23: https://www.ag.ny.gov/pdfs/OAG_REPORT_ON_SQF_PRACTICES_NOV_2013.pdf

Stop and frisk was ruled unconstitutional in a federal court in August 2013: http://ccrjustice.org/home/what-we-do/our-cases/floyd-et-al-v-city-new-york-et-al

The City of New York dropped its appeal and instituted remedial action.

Edited by Inara Serra, Oct 8 2016, 04:21 PM.
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[twitter=atensnut/status/784726633588592640]

[twitter=atensnut/status/784734493471019008]

[twitter=atensnut/status/684822324227379200]

12-year old rape victim smeared by Hillary: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/20/exclusive-hillary-clinton-took-me-through-hell-rape-victim-says.html
Edited by Restless84, Oct 8 2016, 04:26 PM.
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Restless84
Oct 8 2016, 04:25 PM
[twitter=atensnut/status/784726633588592640]

[twitter=atensnut/status/784734493471019008]

[twitter=atensnut/status/684822324227379200]

12-year old rape victim smeared by Hillary: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/20/exclusive-hillary-clinton-took-me-through-hell-rape-victim-says.html
Oh lord honey, you're going to be slaughtered and called sexist for posting this. You're in my prayers! :D ;)
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A republican in congress did a heartbreaking speech months ago talking how he was stopped and frisked over 800 times,my neighbor used to live in New York and was groped 6 times while getting stopped and frisked for just sitting at bench or walking her son,it's just an excuse to assault.
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JDeveraux_91
Oct 8 2016, 04:31 PM
Restless84
Oct 8 2016, 04:25 PM
[twitter=atensnut/status/784726633588592640]

[twitter=atensnut/status/784734493471019008]

[twitter=atensnut/status/684822324227379200]

12-year old rape victim smeared by Hillary: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/20/exclusive-hillary-clinton-took-me-through-hell-rape-victim-says.html
Oh lord honey, you're going to be slaughtered and called sexist for posting this. You're in my prayers! :D ;)
Wow i am speechless this going get very ugly tomorrow when trump and Clinton go face to face so Hilary can't say a thing about Trump after what this lady just posted about her actions to speaker louder than words she is right.
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JDeveraux_91
Oct 8 2016, 04:31 PM
Restless84
Oct 8 2016, 04:25 PM
[twitter=atensnut/status/784726633588592640]<br /><br />[twitter=atensnut/status/784734493471019008]<br /><br />[twitter=atensnut/status/684822324227379200]<br /><br />12-year old rape victim smeared by Hillary: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/20/exclusive-hillary-clinton-took-me-through-hell-rape-victim-says.html
Oh lord honey, you're going to be slaughtered and called sexist for posting this. You're in my prayers! :D ;)
Wow i am speechless this going get very ugly tomorrow when trump and Clinton go face to face so Hilary can't say a thing about Trump after what this lady just posted about her actions do speaker louder than words she is right.

Sorry for the double post.
Edited by Bigboy, Oct 8 2016, 04:35 PM.
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Restless84
Oct 8 2016, 04:02 PM
Bigboy
Oct 8 2016, 03:51 PM
Restless84
Oct 8 2016, 03:34 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepI
I like him and don't think he is bad person at all he just tells its how it is he a bit stupid and does go to far with his comments sometimes but at least you know what your getting with Trump unlike Hilary Clinton and Nigel Farage likes him that good enough for me i am big fan of that guy.
I would never vote for a person I think hates women or would target minorities unfairly. I resent the implication that I'm voting for that.
You're voting for a person who bragged about being able to sexually assault women, who falsely accused Muslims of celebrating 911, who advocates racial profiling, including unconstitutional police tactics, and who has advocated anti-LGBT policies (and who has a running mate who supports gay conversion therapy). And that doesn't count his refusal to reject endorsements from white supremacist groups.

If that isn't voting for a person who hates women and targets minorities, then I don't know what is.
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Inara Serra
Oct 8 2016, 04:19 PM
laurondo
Oct 8 2016, 03:44 PM
Restless84
Oct 8 2016, 03:34 PM
Stop and frisk worked and reduced crime dramatically in NYC.
So it's okay to target latinos and black people then? Because that's what it was doing and why so many people have a problem with it.
Stop and frisk did NOT reduce crime dramatically in New York City:

"The findings reveal, among other things, that approximately half of SQF arrests did not lead to a conviction; stop and frisk led to few convictions for violence or gun-related crimes, with trespass, disorderly conduct, and other relatively minor crimes and violations constituting the majority of charges at conviction; and stop and frisk rarely led to the imposition of a jail or prison sentence. Moreover, these findings suggest that stop and frisk imposes significant costs and burdens on prosecutors and the court system as a whole." (Emphasis added).

Read the 2013 Attorney General's Report for yourself. The quote above is from the conclusion section on page 23: https://www.ag.ny.gov/pdfs/OAG_REPORT_ON_SQF_PRACTICES_NOV_2013.pdf

Stop and frisk was ruled unconstitutional in a federal court in August 2013: http://ccrjustice.org/home/what-we-do/our-cases/floyd-et-al-v-city-new-york-et-al

The City of New York dropped its appeal and instituted remedial action.

Thank you. Cannot believe some still defend "stop and frisk". Seriously it is not only UNconstitutional, it clearly legalized visual bias. Just because someone "looks" a certain way i.e. skin color, dress, etc does not make it OK to accuse them of being a criminal or even a potential criminal.

As a dark olive skinned person I was once targeted when I was 13. The manager told his staff to "watch me" because I "looked" like the type. What he did not know was that my sister was working there and I was simply waiting for her to get off so our dad could take us home (my dad, btw, was a cop). My sister told my dad, I CRIED. I was humiliated. I was doing nothing other than looking at some sports stuff. I was a bit of a tomboy and was looking at baseball gloves cause my had been lost.

And that was NOTHING compared to what people of color suffer because of bigoted, biased people who make assumptions about people because of their appearance. I cannot believe anyone buys into the bigotry, misogyny, bullying that that horrid man, DT, is selling.
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Oct 8 2016, 03:34 PM
I'm pointing it out because she's the other option in this election and I'm picking the lesser of two evils IMO.

His Muslim comments were offensive and just stupid, but that's not his policy now. Similarly, Hillary used to think marriage was only between a man and woman and flip-flopped. Politicians change their stances all the time. Stop and frisk worked and reduced crime dramatically in NYC.

Hillary's views on abortion are offensive to me. She doesn't care about the lives of the unborn.

DesignatedShelley, I wasn't trying to be dismissive. I just don't know what else to say other than I don't believe that.
Just wanted to share a link for anyone interested in facts on stop and frisk.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/03/stop-and-frisk-didnt-make-new-york-safer/359666/
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Bigboy
Oct 8 2016, 04:33 PM
JDeveraux_91
Oct 8 2016, 04:31 PM
Restless84
Oct 8 2016, 04:25 PM
[twitter=atensnut/status/784726633588592640]

[twitter=atensnut/status/784734493471019008]

[twitter=atensnut/status/684822324227379200]

12-year old rape victim smeared by Hillary: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/20/exclusive-hillary-clinton-took-me-through-hell-rape-victim-says.html
Oh lord honey, you're going to be slaughtered and called sexist for posting this. You're in my prayers! :D ;)
Wow i am speechless this going get very ugly tomorrow when trump and Clinton go face to face so Hilary can't say a thing about Trump after what this lady just posted about her actions to speaker louder than words she is right.
The Juanita Broderick stuff has been known for years, how are you just hearing about this
Big boy?
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funone
Oct 8 2016, 04:16 PM
"Bill Clinton is not running for office, and her attitudes about what he did or didn’t do are beside the point.”
This.

I think Hillary should be cut a little slack with regards to how she handled her husband's philandering in the 90's. This was her marriage. This was her husband. It was very personal to her. She was too close to the situation to have a fair and objective opinion.

In retrospect, I think she probably wishes she handled things differently. But I've never gotten the sense from Hillary that she hates or doesn't respect women. My gut tells me otherwise with Trump.
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So Hillarys actions make Trumps ok,So if I get drunk one day and get a DUI can I just say "well others have done it" as my excuse,🙄🙄 her actions don't make his ok,it's hypocritical on both sides.
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lysie
Oct 8 2016, 03:53 PM
Bigboy
Oct 8 2016, 03:52 PM
lysie
Oct 8 2016, 03:50 PM

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What character did he play?

Do you remember?

He played himself.
He sure did. :rolleyes:
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Oct 8 2016, 04:35 PM
Bigboy
Oct 8 2016, 04:33 PM
JDeveraux_91
Oct 8 2016, 04:31 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep[twitter=atensnut/status/784726633588592640]

[twitter=atensnut/status/784734493471019008]

[twitter=atensnut/status/684822324227379200]

12-year old rape victim smeared by Hillary: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/20/exclusive-hillary-clinton-took-me-through-hell-rape-victim-says.html
Wow i am speechless this going get very ugly tomorrow when trump and Clinton go face to face so Hilary can't say a thing about Trump after what this lady just posted about her actions to speaker louder than words she is right.
The Juanita Broderick stuff has been known for years, how are you just hearing about this
Big boy?
I am the Uk that is why i only heard about this now i will be watching tomorrow night on the box i think the debate will be on around 0100 am London time.
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Oct 8 2016, 03:34 PM
His Muslim comments were offensive and just stupid, but that's not his policy now. Similarly, Hillary used to think marriage was only between a man and woman and flip-flopped. Politicians change their stances all the time. Stop and frisk worked and reduced crime dramatically in NYC.
Yeah, Hillary's flip-flop on gay marriage was stupid, and she was walking a thin line as only a politician can. But she did support civil unions with all legal rights in 1999 or 2000 or something, and when the majority of people wanted to embrace gay marriage, she supported it and didn't look back. She's also never said insulting things about gay people. I mean, there are plenty of gay people who still don't trust her, and I get why they don't, but she never said anything like "Gay people are infiltrating our society with drugs, with crime, with rapists -- and some, I assume, are good people." That's the kind of thing that makes him worse to me.

Donald Trump did change his immigration policy from "ban all Muslims" to "ban immigrants from terrorism-compromised territories". But the perception from my side is that he says things like "ban all Muslims" and "bomb them to hell" and whatnot to get the support of racists and bigots and get them to turn out to vote. He never did apologize for his comments, and he made it seem like people who were offended by what he first said were just too PC because they assumed that by "Muslim" he meant religion and not geography. Even though religion is the primary connotation of the word and the only really accurate one. That seems slippery to me. And unlike Hillary's slipperiness, Trump's slipperiness seeks to throw shade at some to energize others. Hillary never called policemen names, she never said anything beyond what some police chiefs themselves have said, that race relations need to improve and police can play their part in that by acknowledging unconscious attitudes.

Trump insulted his primary rivals left and right too, said unnecessary things about Cruz' wife and that childish nonsense with Marco Rubio drinking water (drinking water!). I think there's a reason other Republicans have been dropping their support, and why they only reluctantly supported him in the first place.

Stop and frisk may increase the number of arrests, but it's also part of why some minority communities don't like the police -- the police are racially targeting them. I don't think it will help race relations, I think quite the opposite. David Greenberg's comprehensive analysis of stop and frisk concluded that stop and frisk did not reduce homicide or aggravated assault and only reduced robberies by a small amount.
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Oct 8 2016, 04:25 PM
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[twitter=atensnut/status/784734493471019008]

[twitter=atensnut/status/684822324227379200]

12-year old rape victim smeared by Hillary: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/20/exclusive-hillary-clinton-took-me-through-hell-rape-victim-says.html
The woman is a monster inside. She allegedly laughed at the rape victim. And she made life hell for all the women the women her husband molested/ raped/groped/ had an affair with.

One of his former mistresses said Hillary berated a group of handicapped children during an event in Arkansas years ago.
She has no principles. Its about power and money so lets cut the bs that she cares about minorities she cares about their vote.
Edited by goo3, Oct 8 2016, 04:45 PM.
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