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Donald Trumps latest scandal involves Arianne Zucker and DOOL set
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Topic Started: Oct 7 2016, 04:26 PM (50,221 Views)
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Oct 8 2016, 04:43 PM
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This is absolutely unacceptable, but it's ridiculous to point out how she acted in order to downplay what Trump has said about/done to women. :shrug:
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Trumps running mate only cares about the unborn,the moment your born your on your own,especially if your gay,it's that way with a lot of the GOP,conversion therapy is just sick.
I don't agree with abortion,I wouldn't ever do it,but I would never have the gall to tell other women what to do.Pence would force you to have a funeral for your aborted child.
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Trump has advocated anti-LGBT policies (and has a running mate who supports gay conversion therapy). His running mate also signed the religious freedom bill into law which allowed businesses to refuse to serve gay and lesbian patrons in Indiana. I'm a Hoosier so I remember it quite well. It was just over a year ago. There was so much backlash it even made national news.
He eventually signed a revision but the damage to his reputation had already been done.
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Oct 8 2016, 04:46 PM
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I would never vote for a person I think hates women or would target minorities unfairly. I resent the implication that I'm voting for that.
You're voting for a person who bragged about being able to sexually assault women, who falsely accused Muslims of celebrating 911, who advocates racial profiling, including unconstitutional police tactics, and who has advocated anti-LGBT policies (and who has a running mate who supports gay conversion therapy). And that doesn't count his refusal to reject endorsements from white supremacist groups. If that isn't voting for a person who hates women and targets minorities, then I don't know what is. I'm not voting for someone who looked the other way at Bill Clinton's sexual assaults and rape and shamed his victims. She totally accepted his behavior. How can you stay married to someone like that and claim you'r an advocate for women? :shrug: Bill Clinton continued to be celebrated in the Democratic party after many examples of his numerous perverted behavior came to light and now the same people are upset about how Trump talked. Spare me the outrage. Voting for Hillary is voting for someone who was totally okay with staying married to a guy who sexually assaulted women.
I've said Trump has made some dumb comments, but none of what he has campaigned on in the general election says to me he hates women and will target minorities.
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Oct 8 2016, 04:47 PM
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His Muslim comments were offensive and just stupid, but that's not his policy now. Similarly, Hillary used to think marriage was only between a man and woman and flip-flopped. Politicians change their stances all the time. Stop and frisk worked and reduced crime dramatically in NYC.
Yeah, Hillary's flip-flop on gay marriage was stupid, and she was walking a thin line as only a politician can. But she did support civil unions with all legal rights in 1999 or 2000 or something, and when the majority of people wanted to embrace gay marriage, she supported it and didn't look back. She's also never said insulting things about gay people. I mean, there are plenty of gay people who still don't trust her, and I get why they don't, but she never said anything like "Gay people are infiltrating our society with drugs, with crime, with rapists -- and some, I assume, are good people." That's the kind of thing that makes him worse to me. Donald Trump did change his immigration policy from "ban all Muslims" to "ban immigrants from terrorism-compromised territories". But the perception from my side is that he says things like "ban all Muslims" and "bomb them to hell" and whatnot to get the support of racists and bigots and get them to turn out to vote. He never did apologize for his comments, and he made it seem like people who were offended by what he first said were just too PC because they assumed that by "Muslim" he meant religion and not geography. Even though religion is the primary connotation of the word and the only really accurate one. That seems slippery to me. And unlike Hillary's slipperiness, Trump's slipperiness seeks to throw shade at some to energize others. Hillary never called policemen names, she never said anything beyond what some police chiefs themselves have said, that race relations need to improve and police can play their part in that by acknowledging unconscious attitudes. Trump insulted his primary rivals left and right too, said unnecessary things about Cruz' wife and that childish nonsense with Marco Rubio drinking water (drinking water!). I think there's a reason other Republicans have been dropping their support, and why they only reluctantly supported him in the first place. Stop and frisk may increase the number of arrests, but it's also part of why some minority communities don't like the police -- the police are racially targeting them. I don't think it will help race relations, I think quite the opposite. David Greenberg's comprehensive analysis of stop and frisk concluded that stop and frisk did not reduce homicide or aggravated assault and only reduced robberies by a small amount. I do think we have to leave some room for people to evolve, especially when it comes to social issues. Our nation has become much more educated on some things in the last couple of decades. Now is that why politicians have flip flopped? Or did they flip flop because they want votes? IDK. But I do think some room should be left for people to evolve as they're educated and as society progresses.
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Maybe people should talk to the women Trump has raped.
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This is absolutely unacceptable, but it's ridiculous to point out how she acted in order to downplay what Trump has said about/done to women. :shrug: I'm pointing out why she's worse. Trump apologized. Where is Hillary's apology?
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Oct 8 2016, 04:50 PM
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Anyways, I'm out of this thread. I've said what I wanted to. No matter what I say I'm somehow an inferior person because I think Hillary is worse than Donald.
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Oct 8 2016, 04:50 PM
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You're voting for a person who bragged about being able to sexually assault women, who falsely accused Muslims of celebrating 911, who advocates racial profiling, including unconstitutional police tactics, and who has advocated anti-LGBT policies (and who has a running mate who supports gay conversion therapy). And that doesn't count his refusal to reject endorsements from white supremacist groups. If that isn't voting for a person who hates women and targets minorities, then I don't know what is.
I'm not voting for someone who looked the other way at Bill Clinton's sexual assaults and rape and shamed his victims. She totally accepted his behavior. How can you stay married to someone like that and claim you'r an advocate for women? :shrug: Bill Clinton continued to be celebrated in the Democratic party after many examples of his numerous perverted behavior came to light and now the same people are upset about how Trump talked. Spare me the outrage. Voting for Hillary is voting for someone who was totally okay with staying married to a guy who sexually assaulted women. I've said Trump has made some dumb comments, but none of what he has campaigned on in the general election says to me he hates women and will target minorities. Here's the thing. Very little of what you're responding to has anything to do with Hillary. You make a comment about Trump, someone responds about Trump, and you respond with something about Hillary. Do you not see this?
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Trump robots on tv keep saying to let it go,its bad,but it was 11 years ago,move on,yet they refuse to move on from Hillary,dont you dare ask people to move on if your not doing it yourself.
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The woman is a monster inside. She allegedly laughed at the rape victim. And she made life hell for all the women the women her husband molested/ raped/groped/ had an affair with. One of his former mistresses said Hillary berated a group of handicapped children during an event in Arkansas years ago. She has no principles. Its about power and money so lets cut the bs that she cares about minorities she cares about their vote. Can you get all that on video...
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This is absolutely unacceptable, but it's ridiculous to point out how she acted in order to downplay what Trump has said about/done to women. :shrug:
I'm pointing out why she's worse. Trump apologized. Where is Hillary's apology? Trump's apology is meaningless because he keeps doing the same things.
Not to mention he went from apologizing to immediately pointing out things Bill (who isn't even running for president?) and Hillary have done wrong. Sure, people need to know about that, but it shouldn't have been in his apology video.
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I'm not voting for someone who looked the other way at Bill Clinton's sexual assaults and rape and shamed his victims. She totally accepted his behavior. How can you stay married to someone like that and claim you'r an advocate for women? :shrug: Bill Clinton continued to be celebrated in the Democratic party after many examples of his numerous perverted behavior came to light and now the same people are upset about how Trump talked. Spare me the outrage. Voting for Hillary is voting for someone who was totally okay with staying married to a guy who sexually assaulted women. I've said Trump has made some dumb comments, but none of what he has campaigned on in the general election says to me he hates women and will target minorities.
Here's the thing. Very little of what you're responding to has anything to do with Hillary. You make a comment about Trump, someone responds about Trump, and you respond with something about Hillary. Do you not see this? Last comment: I know I respond with stuff about Hillary. It's probably one of the biggest reason I decided to vote. I want to vote against her.
Bill's actions have nothing to do with her. Her shaming his victims, being part of that cover-up, and staying married to a man who treats women like that DOES have to do with her and the type of person she is.
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You're voting for a person who bragged about being able to sexually assault women, who falsely accused Muslims of celebrating 911, who advocates racial profiling, including unconstitutional police tactics, and who has advocated anti-LGBT policies (and who has a running mate who supports gay conversion therapy). And that doesn't count his refusal to reject endorsements from white supremacist groups. If that isn't voting for a person who hates women and targets minorities, then I don't know what is.
I'm not voting for someone who looked the other way at Bill Clinton's sexual assaults and rape and shamed his victims. She totally accepted his behavior. How can you stay married to someone like that and claim you'r an advocate for women? :shrug: Bill Clinton continued to be celebrated in the Democratic party after many examples of his numerous perverted behavior came to light and now the same people are upset about how Trump talked. Spare me the outrage. Voting for Hillary is voting for someone who was totally okay with staying married to a guy who sexually assaulted women. I've said Trump has made some dumb comments, but none of what he has campaigned on in the general election says to me he hates women and will target minorities. Pivoting to Hilary doesn't change anything I said. And he absolutely has campaigned on those things. Just because he's dialed it back slightly for the general doesn't change everything he said in the primary. Those are his positions and his stated beliefs. You think they changed in a couple of months? Nothing he's said or done indicates he's changed his mind - and his silent acquiescence to white supremacist support speaks volumes.
As for Hilary, she's anything but perfect. But, this is NOT about whether you or anybody should support her. I could really care less. This is about you claim that you would never support a candidate who hates women and targets minorities when based on Trump's own words and actions, he clearly does both.
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Here's the thing. Very little of what you're responding to has anything to do with Hillary. You make a comment about Trump, someone responds about Trump, and you respond with something about Hillary. Do you not see this?
Last comment: I know I respond with stuff about Hillary. It's probably one of the biggest reason I decided to vote. I want to vote against her. Bill's actions have nothing to do with her. Her shaming his victims, being part of that cover-up, and staying married to a man who treats women like that DOES have to do with her and the type of person she is. So being married to a man who treats women like that is worse than being a man who treats women like that?
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Roses are red, Violets are blue. Your canadate sucks, and mine does too.
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If this was 1 time thing I would accept his apology,but it's not,his first wife went under oath that he raped her,another women says he raped her at 13,a reporters for CNN gave detail of her friend being groped by Trump,Apprentice cast members and staff say he would compare their butts to his daughters,this wasn't a shock,it's just normal behavior for him,I will believe he's sorry if he proves it.
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I like him and don't think he is bad person at all he just tells its how it is he a bit stupid and does go to far with his comments sometimes but at least you know what your getting with Trump unlike Hilary Clinton and Nigel Farage likes him that good enough for me i am big fan of that guy.
I would never vote for a person I think hates women or would target minorities unfairly. I resent the implication that I'm voting for that. I don't know how you can come to any other conclusion when it comes to Trump. He can't be more clear if he tried.
That might not be why you would vote for him, but this is who he is. This is why people despise him.
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I'm pointing out why she's worse. Trump apologized. Where is Hillary's apology?
Trump's apology is meaningless because he keeps doing the same things. Not to mention he went from apologizing to immediately pointing out things Bill (who isn't even running for president?) and Hillary have done wrong. Sure, people need to know about that, but it shouldn't have been in his apology video. His campaign told him not to mention the Clintons in his obviously forced apology,but he did it anyways.
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His Muslim comments were offensive and just stupid, but that's not his policy now. Similarly, Hillary used to think marriage was only between a man and woman and flip-flopped. Politicians change their stances all the time. Stop and frisk worked and reduced crime dramatically in NYC.
Yeah, Hillary's flip-flop on gay marriage was stupid, and she was walking a thin line as only a politician can. But she did support civil unions with all legal rights in 1999 or 2000 or something, and when the majority of people wanted to embrace gay marriage, she supported it and didn't look back. She's also never said insulting things about gay people. I mean, there are plenty of gay people who still don't trust her, and I get why they don't, but she never said anything like "Gay people are infiltrating our society with drugs, with crime, with rapists -- and some, I assume, are good people." That's the kind of thing that makes him worse to me. Donald Trump did change his immigration policy from "ban all Muslims" to "ban immigrants from terrorism-compromised territories". But the perception from my side is that he says things like "ban all Muslims" and "bomb them to hell" and whatnot to get the support of racists and bigots and get them to turn out to vote. He never did apologize for his comments, and he made it seem like people who were offended by what he first said were just too PC because they assumed that by "Muslim" he meant religion and not geography. Even though religion is the primary connotation of the word and the only really accurate one. That seems slippery to me. And unlike Hillary's slipperiness, Trump's slipperiness seeks to throw shade at some to energize others. Hillary never called policemen names, she never said anything beyond what some police chiefs themselves have said, that race relations need to improve and police can play their part in that by acknowledging unconscious attitudes. Trump insulted his primary rivals left and right too, said unnecessary things about Cruz' wife and that childish nonsense with Marco Rubio drinking water (drinking water!). I think there's a reason other Republicans have been dropping their support, and why they only reluctantly supported him in the first place. Stop and frisk may increase the number of arrests, but it's also part of why some minority communities don't like the police -- the police are racially targeting them. I don't think it will help race relations, I think quite the opposite. David Greenberg's comprehensive analysis of stop and frisk concluded that stop and frisk did not reduce homicide or aggravated assault and only reduced robberies by a small amount.
I do think we have to leave some room for people to evolve, especially when it comes to social issues. Our nation has become much more educated on some things in the last couple of decades. Now is that why politicians have flip flopped? Or did they flip flop because they want votes? IDK. But I do think some room should be left for people to evolve as they're educated and as society progresses. You mean with regard to Hillary? Sure, I mean my totally fact-less opinion is that she never was really against gay marriage to begin with, she just said so because that's where the national consensus was at the time. Still obnoxious, but not hateful per se.
If I give both her and Trump the benefit of the doubt, at least her voting record backs up the idea of a change of heart. Donald Trump doesn't have a voting record, so I can't look at that, but he has a pattern of saying provocative things that bring out ugly attitudes in this country. I actually don't think Congress would ever let him get away with a ban on Muslims anyway, Democrats and (some) Republicans alike. But he continues to just say dumb things without thinking and I don't think that that's going to change at age 70. If someone else is going to keep him in check, I may as well just vote for that someone else anyway.
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