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Donald Trumps latest scandal involves Arianne Zucker and DOOL set
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Oct 8 2016, 05:04 PM
lysie
Oct 8 2016, 04:47 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 04:39 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepstill don't trust her, and I get why they don't, but she never said anything like "Gay people are infiltrating our society with drugs, with crime, with rapists -- and some, I assume, are good people." That's the kind of thing that makes him worse to me.

Donald Trump did change his immigration policy from "ban all Muslims" to "ban immigrants from terrorism-compromised territories". But the perception from my side is that he says things like "ban all Muslims" and "bomb them to hell" and whatnot to get the support of racists and bigots and get them to turn out to vote. He never did apologize for his comments, and he made it seem like people who were offended by what he first said were just too PC because they assumed that by "Muslim" he meant religion and not geography. Even though religion is the primary connotation of the word and the only really accurate one. That seems slippery to me. And unlike Hillary's slipperiness, Trump's slipperiness seeks to throw shade at some to energize others. Hillary never called policemen names, she never said anything beyond what some police chiefs themselves have said, that race relations need to improve and police can play their part in that by acknowledging unconscious attitudes.

Trump insulted his primary rivals left and right too, said unnecessary things about Cruz' wife and that childish nonsense with Marco Rubio drinking water (drinking water!). I think there's a reason other Republicans have been dropping their support, and why they only reluctantly supported him in the first place.

Stop and frisk may increase the number of arrests, but it's also part of why some minority communities don't like the police -- the police are racially targeting them. I don't think it will help race relations, I think quite the opposite. David Greenberg's comprehensive analysis of stop and frisk concluded that stop and frisk did not reduce homicide or aggravated assault and only reduced robberies by a small amount.
I do think we have to leave some room for people to evolve, especially when it comes to social issues. Our nation has become much more educated on some things in the last couple of decades. Now is that why politicians have flip flopped? Or did they flip flop because they want votes? IDK. But I do think some room should be left for people to evolve as they're educated and as society progresses.
You mean with regard to Hillary? Sure, I mean my totally fact-less opinion is that she never was really against gay marriage to begin with, she just said so because that's where the national consensus was at the time. Still obnoxious, but not hateful per se.

If I give both her and Trump the benefit of the doubt, at least her voting record backs up the idea of a change of heart. Donald Trump doesn't have a voting record, so I can't look at that, but he has a pattern of saying provocative things that bring out ugly attitudes in this country. I actually don't think Congress would ever let him get away with a ban on Muslims anyway, Democrats and (some) Republicans alike. But he continues to just say dumb things without thinking and I don't think that that's going to change at age 70. If someone else is going to keep him in check, I may as well just vote for that someone else anyway.
I more meant in general, but agreed.

I'm not even sure I believe Trump is a Republican, but I do agree that he wouldn't be able to do as much as he's claimed he'd do. But I'd prefer he not be saying these crazy things from the White House. I'd have preferred he'd not be saying these crazy things as a major party nominee, but here we are.
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He says dumb things daily,like telling the press he'lll make a big announcement about the president,then plugs his new hotel and unconvincingly admits the sky is blue aka our president was born in Hawaii,then admits he only said it to shut people up.
Edited by Snowing Fan, Oct 8 2016, 05:10 PM.
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Oct 8 2016, 04:56 PM
Roses are red,
Violets are blue.
Your canadate sucks,
and mine does too.
Well, mine doesn't actually suck - she's just marginalized by the anti-democratic, corrupt two-party political system. ;)
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I notice Trumps other robot,Rudy has been quiet,I can gather his response will be the same as his adultery comments "everybody does it".🙄
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lysie
Oct 8 2016, 05:08 PM
DesignatedShelley
Oct 8 2016, 05:04 PM
lysie
Oct 8 2016, 04:47 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepstill don't trust her, and I get why they don't, but she never said anything like "Gay people are infiltrating our society with drugs, with crime, with rapists -- and some, I assume, are good people." That's the kind of thing that makes him worse to me.

Donald Trump did change his immigration policy from "ban all Muslims" to "ban immigrants from terrorism-compromised territories". But the perception from my side is that he says things like "ban all Muslims" and "bomb them to hell" and whatnot to get the support of racists and bigots and get them to turn out to vote. He never did apologize for his comments, and he made it seem like people who were offended by what he first said were just too PC because they assumed that by "Muslim" he meant religion and not geography. Even though religion is the primary connotation of the word and the only really accurate one. That seems slippery to me. And unlike Hillary's slipperiness, Trump's slipperiness seeks to throw shade at some to energize others. Hillary never called policemen names, she never said anything beyond what some police chiefs themselves have said, that race relations need to improve and police can play their part in that by acknowledging unconscious attitudes.

Trump insulted his primary rivals left and right too, said unnecessary things about Cruz' wife and that childish nonsense with Marco Rubio drinking water (drinking water!). I think there's a reason other Republicans have been dropping their support, and why they only reluctantly supported him in the first place.

Stop and frisk may increase the number of arrests, but it's also part of why some minority communities don't like the police -- the police are racially targeting them. I don't think it will help race relations, I think quite the opposite. David Greenberg's comprehensive analysis
You mean with regard to Hillary? Sure, I mean my totally fact-less opinion is that she never was really against gay marriage to begin with, she just said so because that's where the national consensus was at the time. Still obnoxious, but not hateful per se.

If I give both her and Trump the benefit of the doubt, at least her voting record backs up the idea of a change of heart. Donald Trump doesn't have a voting record, so I can't look at that, but he has a pattern of saying provocative things that bring out ugly attitudes in this country. I actually don't think Congress would ever let him get away with a ban on Muslims anyway, Democrats and (some) Republicans alike. But he continues to just say dumb things without thinking and I don't think that that's going to change at age 70. If someone else is going to keep him in check, I may as well just vote for that someone else anyway.
I more meant in general, but agreed.

I'm not even sure I believe Trump is a Republican, but I do agree that he wouldn't be able to do as much as he's claimed he'd do. But I'd prefer he not be saying these crazy things from the White House. I'd have preferred he'd not be saying these crazy things as a major party nominee, but here we are.
I think Trump needs better people around him to advise him when to keep quiet he does go bit to far with his comments some times as i said i like him he is a character but he was out of order yesterday regarding his comments towards women i am glad he said he was sorry straight afterwards i am sure he is ashamed by his actions back in 2005.
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Oct 8 2016, 05:10 PM
He says dumb things daily,like telling the press he'lll make a big announcement about the president,then plugs his new hotel and unconvincingly admits the sky is blue aka our president was born in Hawaii,then admits he only said it to shut people up.
He also said that it would be a long time before another black person was president because Obama did such a bad job. I guess that rule doesn't apply to white people just black people
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The people around Trump need a better candidate. You can only do so much with what you're given.
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By a reporter from the Associated Press. Detailed interviews with cast, crew and a producer of The Apprentice, discussing Trump's attitudes towards women on the set.

I'm posting this here because it's about an NBC show. Why did NBC let Trump get away with this behavior for such a long time? I see a tie-in with NBC arranging for him to do the cameo on Days.

https://www.apnews.com/2778a6ab72ea49558445337865289508/AP:-'Apprentice'-cast-and-crew-say-Trump-was-lewd-and-sexist
Edited by nananana7, Oct 8 2016, 05:18 PM.
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Oct 8 2016, 05:00 PM
If this was 1 time thing I would accept his apology,but it's not,his first wife went under oath that he raped her,another women says he raped her at 13,a reporters for CNN gave detail of her friend being groped by Trump,Apprentice cast members and staff say he would compare their butts to his daughters,this wasn't a shock,it's just normal behavior for him,I will believe he's sorry if he proves it.
I don't condone anything Hillary may have said to discourage women from coming forward, but earlier in this thread we had a whole debate about whether or not words were as bad as rape. People who are not as stridently against Trump were saying that words can't possibly be as bad as rape.

Well, what Hillary did was say words, but Trump is legit accused of rape and assault and -- actually! -- assaulting a woman is what he's bragging about in this Access Hollywood video. One of Trump's attorneys or advisors (I'm sorry I don't remember, he's at the DTO and not necessarily the campaign) even said that a husband legally can't rape a wife! Marital rape apparently doesn't even exist!

Poor Kayla Brady, I guess.
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Trump is the idiot who still thinks the Central Park Five is guilty even though DNA evidence says otherwise and the real culprit admitted guilt.😔
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Oct 8 2016, 04:56 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 04:54 PM
lysie
Oct 8 2016, 04:50 PM

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Last comment: I know I respond with stuff about Hillary. It's probably one of the biggest reason I decided to vote. I want to vote against her.

Bill's actions have nothing to do with her. Her shaming his victims, being part of that cover-up, and staying married to a man who treats women like that DOES have to do with her and the type of person she is.
So being married to a man who treats women like that is worse than being a man who treats women like that?
I don't know how much more clear I need to make this. She was involved in silencing Bill's accusers. Bill's affairs and sexual assaults go back to the 1970's. She knew and tried to cover it up. She stays with him all of this time. And throughout all of this she claims she's an advocate of women and sexual assault victims because she has a vagina. Her staying with him is a clear endorsement of his behavior. So yes, she's worse.
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Oct 8 2016, 05:22 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 04:56 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 04:54 PM

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So being married to a man who treats women like that is worse than being a man who treats women like that?
I don't know how much more clear I need to make this. She was involved in silencing Bill's accusers. Bill's affairs and sexual assaults go back to the 1970's. She knew and tried to cover it up. She stays with him all of this time. And throughout all of this she claims she's an advocate of women and sexual assault victims because she has a vagina. Her staying with him is a clear endorsement of his behavior. So yes, she's worse.
Doing that time DT spoke out on behalf of BC.
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https://www.yahoo.com/tv/exclusive-nancy-odell-reacts-donald-195300181.html

Nancy O'Dell comments.
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nananana7
Oct 8 2016, 05:17 PM
By a reporter from the Associated Press. Detailed interviews with cast, crew and a producer of The Apprentice, discussing Trump's attitudes towards women on the set.

I'm posting this here because it's about an NBC show. Why did NBC let Trump get away with this behavior for such a long time? I see a tie-in with NBC arranging for him to do the cameo on Days.

https://www.apnews.com/2778a6ab72ea49558445337865289508/AP:-'Apprentice'-cast-and-crew-say-Trump-was-lewd-and-sexist
$$$$$$$$$

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Oct 8 2016, 05:16 PM
The people around Trump need a better candidate. You can only do so much with what you're given.
Yup. Trump has been through how many campaign managers so far? He is surrounded by smart people who have run successful campaigns but he isn't going to listen to them. The problem is the man himself, not everybody else.
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Oct 8 2016, 05:22 PM
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So being married to a man who treats women like that is worse than being a man who treats women like that?
I don't know how much more clear I need to make this. She was involved in silencing Bill's accusers. Bill's affairs and sexual assaults go back to the 1970's. She knew and tried to cover it up. She stays with him all of this time. And throughout all of this she claims she's an advocate of women and sexual assault victims because she has a vagina. Her staying with him is a clear endorsement of his behavior. So yes, she's worse.
In that article that you linked to about the 12 year old she also set up the first Arkansas Rape Help Hotline so I guess she does a little bit more than just have a vagina.
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Trumps been accused of vulgar behavior by many,is it ok for Melania stays with him?
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Oct 8 2016, 05:22 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 04:56 PM
Restless84
Oct 8 2016, 04:54 PM

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So being married to a man who treats women like that is worse than being a man who treats women like that?
I don't know how much more clear I need to make this. She was involved in silencing Bill's accusers. Bill's affairs and sexual assaults go back to the 1970's. She knew and tried to cover it up. She stays with him all of this time. And throughout all of this she claims she's an advocate of women and sexual assault victims because she has a vagina. Her staying with him is a clear endorsement of his behavior. So yes, she's worse.
So endorsing Trump's behavior must be worse too. Interesting.
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So words ARE worse than actual sexual assault. Gotcha.
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Oct 8 2016, 04:25 PM
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12-year old rape victim smeared by Hillary: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/20/exclusive-hillary-clinton-took-me-through-hell-rape-victim-says.html
Guess for some "it's guilty before proven innocent."

I don't know what happened with this woman. Nothing went to court. I generally give the woman the benefit of the doubt but when celebrity and big money and fame is involved I want evidence.

But even if it is true, that BC raped her, BC is not running for president and why anyone thinks it is unusual for a woman, or any member of a family, to believe their loved one over some stranger accusing, stuns me. Hillary did NOT cheat on anyone. The fact that the person cheated on is being blame is confounding. None of us here know the truth. This woman and BC are the ONLY two people who know what happened.
Meanwhile on the cheating front Trump's second and third wives had an infamous shouting match at a ski resort. Oh wait, I don't know that for sure but I read it somewhere so it must be true. But that's OK. I guess. After all, lying cheating Trump has the support of neo nazi's, alt right, his lead adviser a record (yea that can be checked) for domestic abuse and other adviser Roger Ailes who was booted from the most conservative network ever. Can't make this sh*t up.

Frankly I despised this bigoted jerk, LONG BEFORE he ran for any office, long before this tape. He was screwing over people for years. He is a bigoted birther and anyone who does not think his birther thing was a total insult to the first African American president is simply not paying attention. Trump has mocked those with disabilities, mocked minorities, mocked many woman about their looks, their weight; mocked a POW and on and on and on and on and THOSE THINGS ARE NOT HEARSAY. Those things are on tape, not someone whining as Trump does with his middle school mentality of "yea but.... he did it too and he's worse.."
Long before this tape I found Trump to be a disgusting human being for his bias and bigotry, how he cheated people, treated workers, treated the contractors he hired. He's a trust fund baby who was born on third base and insists he hit the best triple ever. He is a lousy business man who uses bankruptcy law to cheat hard working people out of money. Mocking/dissing a woman as he did Ari for the sake of showing other guys he can get any woman any time is indeed disgusting but I did not need that to know that this man should not be elected to ANY office.

So save the "but Bill did". Save you links. And oh yea, just cause someone writes it does not make it true. And spare me the HRC was evil for daring to not protect the woman who was accusing her husband.
For a lot of us, long before this typical of his behavior tape, there was PROOF what Trump is and has been his whole life.

Show me the videos like the tons of Trump videos of his hate filled campaign then we are on equal ground.
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