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Donald Trumps latest scandal involves Arianne Zucker and DOOL set
Topic Started: Oct 7 2016, 04:26 PM (50,218 Views)
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lysie
Oct 8 2016, 05:26 PM
Restless84
Oct 8 2016, 05:22 PM
concerned
Oct 8 2016, 04:56 PM

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I don't know how much more clear I need to make this. She was involved in silencing Bill's accusers. Bill's affairs and sexual assaults go back to the 1970's. She knew and tried to cover it up. She stays with him all of this time. And throughout all of this she claims she's an advocate of women and sexual assault victims because she has a vagina. Her staying with him is a clear endorsement of his behavior. So yes, she's worse.
So endorsing Trump's behavior must be worse too. Interesting.
You have no defense for her. I'm voting for the lesser of two evils in my opinion. Anyone (in general) who celebrates Bill Clinton and yet is appalled by Trump doesn't have a leg to stand on.
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Restless84
Oct 8 2016, 06:22 PM
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So endorsing Trump's behavior must be worse too. Interesting.
You have no defense for her. I'm voting for the lesser of two evils in my opinion. Anyone (in general) who celebrates Bill Clinton and yet is appalled by Trump doesn't have a leg to stand on.
I'm not talking about her. I'm not in here patting her on the back or endorsing her. You're the one who has no defense for the person we're discussing. My legs are firmly planted. You're the one pivoting.
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esp13
Oct 8 2016, 05:26 PM
So words ARE worse than actual sexual assault. Gotcha.
According to liberals more upset about Trump's words than Bill Clinton's assaults. I think someone posted here yesterday that words do matter. Hillary continues to live with a rapist. Trump isn't some good person, but neither is she. The difference is she pretends to be someone she's not.
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Restless84
Oct 8 2016, 06:22 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 05:26 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 05:22 PM

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So endorsing Trump's behavior must be worse too. Interesting.
You have no defense for her. I'm voting for the lesser of two evils in my opinion. Anyone (in general) who celebrates Bill Clinton and yet is appalled by Trump doesn't have a leg to stand on.
You can vote for neither evil. America is supposed to be the most democratic country in the world, after all.

In any event, it seems clear from this board and from everywhere else that this incident and any others will not change anyone's mind about either candidate.

Backfire effect of facts
Edited by frivolity, Oct 8 2016, 06:32 PM.
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lysie
Oct 8 2016, 06:26 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 06:22 PM
lysie
Oct 8 2016, 05:26 PM

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You have no defense for her. I'm voting for the lesser of two evils in my opinion. Anyone (in general) who celebrates Bill Clinton and yet is appalled by Trump doesn't have a leg to stand on.
I'm not talking about her. I'm not in here patting her on the back or endorsing her. You're the one who has no defense for the person we're discussing. My legs are firmly planted. You're the one pivoting.
I'm been pretty consistent that Hillary is a horrible human being. I've said several times Trumps words are wrong. I don't think he's worse than Hillary. I've repeated the same thing over and over. So try again.
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Restless84
Oct 8 2016, 06:27 PM
esp13
Oct 8 2016, 05:26 PM
So words ARE worse than actual sexual assault. Gotcha.
According to liberals more upset about Trump's words than Bill Clinton's assaults. I think someone posted here yesterday that words do matter. Hillary continues to live with a rapist. Trump isn't some good person, but neither is she. The difference is she pretends to be someone she's not.
I think that was me and I don't support Hillary either, so. :shrug:
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As Oprah would say .... "When somebody shows you who they are – believe them!"
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lysie


Restless84
Oct 8 2016, 06:27 PM
esp13
Oct 8 2016, 05:26 PM
So words ARE worse than actual sexual assault. Gotcha.
According to liberals more upset about Trump's words than Bill Clinton's assaults. I think someone posted here yesterday that words do matter. Hillary continues to live with a rapist. Trump isn't some good person, but neither is she. The difference is she pretends to be someone she's not.
What? So he's openly a bad person and that's supposed to be okay? He does pretend to be a good person, but that logic doesn't make sense to me anyway.

Bill Clinton's assaults are not relevant because he is not on the ticket. Trumps words are relevant because he is on the ticket, and because there's now (more) video evidence.
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Restless84
Oct 8 2016, 06:27 PM
esp13
Oct 8 2016, 05:26 PM
So words ARE worse than actual sexual assault. Gotcha.
According to liberals more upset about Trump's words than Bill Clinton's assaults. I think someone posted here yesterday that words do matter. Hillary continues to live with a rapist. Trump isn't some good person, but neither is she. The difference is she pretends to be someone she's not.
Trump is absolutely pretending to be a good person, he put out a video where he talked about how going out on the road changed him and the faith people have in him inspires him and all this. If he was okay with being thought of as a bad person, would he always be denying this accusation and that accusation? If he was okay with being thought of as a bad person, would he complain about all the people who say "mean" things about him? If he was okay with being thought of as a bad person, would he even be running for president?

Also, I am upset about Trump's assaults and I was since the beginning. This video just catches him on tape talking about women in a way that finally opens some eyes. As others have said, if this was his only incident that would be one thing, but he has a pattern of behavior. Bill and Trump may be cut from the same cloth, but I'm not voting for either of them.
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I find both Trump and Hillary disgusting on different levels, but here's the catch for me: Hillary isn't currently making an ass of herself on tv in debates, interviews, rally's, and in her tweets. She looks sane, smart and composed. Do I agree with her on everything? No. But Trump isn't even pretending to be Presidential. He continues to CURRENTLY make disgusting sexist comments for laughs and giggles. The Presidency is a serious matter, and if he presented himself with even the SLiGHTEST grace and tact, he would likely be winning. He's sabatoging himself because he doesn't really want the job IMO. I can't vote for somebody who just enjoys being an ass to people. Hillary could simply walk on the debate stage - fart - and walk off and still be look Presidential, because Trump considers this to be a joke.
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Oct 8 2016, 06:30 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 06:26 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 06:22 PM

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I'm not talking about her. I'm not in here patting her on the back or endorsing her. You're the one who has no defense for the person we're discussing. My legs are firmly planted. You're the one pivoting.
I'm been pretty consistent that Hillary is a horrible human being. I've said several times Trumps words are wrong. I don't think he's worse than Hillary. I've repeated the same thing over and over. So try again.
Try what again? You're the one who made an unfounded accusation as yet another attempt to pivot the conversation away from the topic.
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Oct 8 2016, 06:33 PM
Restless84
Oct 8 2016, 06:27 PM
esp13
Oct 8 2016, 05:26 PM
So words ARE worse than actual sexual assault. Gotcha.
According to liberals more upset about Trump's words than Bill Clinton's assaults. I think someone posted here yesterday that words do matter. Hillary continues to live with a rapist. Trump isn't some good person, but neither is she. The difference is she pretends to be someone she's not.
What? So he's openly a bad person and that's supposed to be okay? He does pretend to be a good person, but that logic doesn't make sense to me anyway.

Bill Clinton's assaults are not relevant because he is not on the ticket. Trumps words are relevant because he is on the ticket, and because there's now (more) video evidence.
But everyone that is voting for bad person Hillary Clinton is okay? It's just the degenerates like me who will support the Republican candidate that are the problem. :shame: I've repeated time and time again how SHE was involved in Bill Clinton's scandals but you refuse to assign her responsibility for her actions. Trump was my last choice as a candidate, but it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for Hillary.
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Restless84
Oct 8 2016, 06:37 PM
lysie
Oct 8 2016, 06:33 PM
Restless84
Oct 8 2016, 06:27 PM

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What? So he's openly a bad person and that's supposed to be okay? He does pretend to be a good person, but that logic doesn't make sense to me anyway.

Bill Clinton's assaults are not relevant because he is not on the ticket. Trumps words are relevant because he is on the ticket, and because there's now (more) video evidence.
But everyone that is voting for bad person Hillary Clinton is okay? It's just the degenerates like me who will support the Republican candidate that are the problem. :shame: I've repeated time and time again how SHE was involved in Bill Clinton's scandals but you refuse to assign her responsibility for her actions. Trump was my last choice as a candidate, but it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for Hillary.
Why do you keep name calling when referring to yourself? I've not seen one person use these words to describe you personally.
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Oct 8 2016, 06:37 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 06:33 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 06:27 PM

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What? So he's openly a bad person and that's supposed to be okay? He does pretend to be a good person, but that logic doesn't make sense to me anyway.

Bill Clinton's assaults are not relevant because he is not on the ticket. Trumps words are relevant because he is on the ticket, and because there's now (more) video evidence.
But everyone that is voting for bad person Hillary Clinton is okay? It's just the degenerates like me who will support the Republican candidate that are the problem. :shame: I've repeated time and time again how SHE was involved in Bill Clinton's scandals but you refuse to assign her responsibility for her actions. Trump was my last choice as a candidate, but it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for Hillary.
This response has nothing to do with anything in my post or anything I've said.
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Trump's words are not the only problem. He's bragging about assault. There are multiple lawsuits and accounts -- it's a pattern of behavior. I'm not angry that he used "vulgar" language. I'm furious that he assaulted Nancy O'Dell, that he indicated a similar interest in Ari, that he has a history of assaulting women, that he has been given a pass for decades, and that he has made racism, misogyny, xenophobia, and so forth a platform. I do not give a flying fuck that he used "bad language." I care that he disrespected these women. This is textbook rape culture.

By the way, the deposition in which Ivana Trump recounts the violent assault and rape by her husband is HORRIFYING.
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I hope NBC makes a formal apology to AZ. As they were both NBC employees at the time, I feel like the network should take responsibility for allowing this sexual harassment to* not only happen, but go unchecked for these last 11 years.
Edited by clubkylie, Oct 8 2016, 06:43 PM.
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lysie
Oct 8 2016, 06:33 PM
Restless84
Oct 8 2016, 06:27 PM
esp13
Oct 8 2016, 05:26 PM
So words ARE worse than actual sexual assault. Gotcha.
According to liberals more upset about Trump's words than Bill Clinton's assaults. I think someone posted here yesterday that words do matter. Hillary continues to live with a rapist. Trump isn't some good person, but neither is she. The difference is she pretends to be someone she's not.
What? So he's openly a bad person and that's supposed to be okay? He does pretend to be a good person, but that logic doesn't make sense to me anyway.

Bill Clinton's assaults are not relevant because he is not on the ticket. Trumps words are relevant because he is on the ticket, and because there's now (more) video evidence.
They are relevant though. It makes Hillary look like a hypocrite to use things that Trump has said about women against him when she is married to Bill Clinton.

I think there are far worse. things to be upset with Hillary about though.


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Trump is bragging about repeated sexual assaults. Those jumping to his defence need to check themselves.
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Oct 8 2016, 06:45 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 06:33 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 06:27 PM

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What? So he's openly a bad person and that's supposed to be okay? He does pretend to be a good person, but that logic doesn't make sense to me anyway.

Bill Clinton's assaults are not relevant because he is not on the ticket. Trumps words are relevant because he is on the ticket, and because there's now (more) video evidence.
They are relevant though. It makes Hillary look like a hypocrite to use things that Trump has said about women against him when she is married to Bill Clinton.

I think are far worse things to be upset with Hillary about though.


I don't think they're relevant when they're being made to equate Trump and (Hillary) Clinton. Both things may be an issue, but they're issues in very different ways.
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Oct 8 2016, 06:12 PM
If we could have a different republican nominee,who would you pick?For me I will not vote for anyone who wants to ban gay marriage,so I cannot really pick anyone.
I'm a democratic, but if Colin Powell ran I'd vote for him in minute.
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