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Donald Trumps latest scandal involves Arianne Zucker and DOOL set
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Tammy
Oct 8 2016, 09:17 PM
DesignatedShelley
Oct 8 2016, 09:10 PM
Tammy
Oct 8 2016, 08:53 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepIwhite, your Christian
Nobody ever said anything about abolishing the 2nd amendment either, but some people are under the impression that it's going to happen any day.

I never got that argument either lol. How do stricter gun laws equate with taking away everyone's guns? Just because some people don't want everyone being able to buy assault rifles doesn't mean they don't want you to own a pistol.
Exactly,the GOP and horrid NRA have said for years that Obama will take your guns,he's taken ZERO.I fail to see why not wanting abusers,rapists,terrorists to have guns is a BAD thing.
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Is there a politics section on this board?
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KweenBoda
Oct 8 2016, 09:22 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 09:17 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 09:10 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepIwhite, your Christian
I never got that argument either lol. How do stricter gun laws equate with taking away everyone's guns? Just because some people don't want everyone being able to buy assault rifles doesn't mean they don't want you to own a pistol.
Because we already have enough laws. And to make more only effects the law abiding gun owner. And Hillary has said that it would be a great thing to try here..Australian gun laws. Which means citizens are banned from owning any. Sorry I can't bring that video over here as I'm on my kindle and not my lap top. (Not to tech savvy lol)
I'm Australian... You've misconstrued our gun laws. Citizens aren't banned from owning them they just need to comply with the following.

A person who possesses or uses a firearm must have a firearm licence.
Licence holders must be at least 18 years of age, have a "genuine reason" for holding a firearm licence[1] and must not be a "prohibited person".
All firearms in Australia must be registered by serial number to the owner, who also holds a firearms licence.
Firearms manufactured before 1 January 1901 may not need to be registered in some states.
The firearm owner must have secure storage for the firearm.[
Firearms dealers must be over 21 years of age and hold a dealer's licence, and dealers' employees must be vetted by the police.
"Prohibited persons" cannot be employed by dealers.
Besides other requirements, dealers must ensure that the purchaser of a firearm holds a firearm licence, must maintain a register and must notify police of each transaction.

My father was a farmer and so had legal access to fire arms.


Also....

http://www.sciencealert.com/20-year-review-of-australia-s-gun-laws-has-one-clear-finding-they-work
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concerned
Oct 8 2016, 09:33 PM
KweenBoda
Oct 8 2016, 09:22 PM
Tammy
Oct 8 2016, 09:17 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepIwhite, your Christian
Because we already have enough laws. And to make more only effects the law abiding gun owner. And Hillary has said that it would be a great thing to try here..Australian gun laws. Which means citizens are banned from owning any. Sorry I can't bring that video over here as I'm on my kindle and not my lap top. (Not to tech savvy lol)
I'm Australian... You've misconstrued our gun laws. Citizens aren't banned from owning them they just need to comply with the following.

A person who possesses or uses a firearm must have a firearm licence.
Licence holders must be at least 18 years of age, have a "genuine reason" for holding a firearm licence[1] and must not be a "prohibited person".
All firearms in Australia must be registered by serial number to the owner, who also holds a firearms licence.
Firearms manufactured before 1 January 1901 may not need to be registered in some states.
The firearm owner must have secure storage for the firearm.[
Firearms dealers must be over 21 years of age and hold a dealer's licence, and dealers' employees must be vetted by the police.
"Prohibited persons" cannot be employed by dealers.
Besides other requirements, dealers must ensure that the purchaser of a firearm holds a firearm licence, must maintain a register and must notify police of each transaction.

My father was a farmer and so had legal access to fire arms.


Also....

http://www.sciencealert.com/20-year-review-of-australia-s-gun-laws-has-one-clear-finding-they-work
All of this sounds quite reasonable to me.
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funone
Oct 8 2016, 09:32 PM
Is there a politics section on this board?
No, and we'll probably close this one when I go to bed tomorrow.
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concerned
Oct 8 2016, 09:33 PM
KweenBoda
Oct 8 2016, 09:22 PM
Tammy
Oct 8 2016, 09:17 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepIwhite, your Christian
Because we already have enough laws. And to make more only effects the law abiding gun owner. And Hillary has said that it would be a great thing to try here..Australian gun laws. Which means citizens are banned from owning any. Sorry I can't bring that video over here as I'm on my kindle and not my lap top. (Not to tech savvy lol)
I'm Australian... You've misconstrued our gun laws. Citizens aren't banned from owning them they just need to comply with the following.

A person who possesses or uses a firearm must have a firearm licence.
Licence holders must be at least 18 years of age, have a "genuine reason" for holding a firearm licence[1] and must not be a "prohibited person".
All firearms in Australia must be registered by serial number to the owner, who also holds a firearms licence.
Firearms manufactured before 1 January 1901 may not need to be registered in some states.
The firearm owner must have secure storage for the firearm.[
Firearms dealers must be over 21 years of age and hold a dealer's licence, and dealers' employees must be vetted by the police.
"Prohibited persons" cannot be employed by dealers.
Besides other requirements, dealers must ensure that the purchaser of a firearm holds a firearm licence, must maintain a register and must notify police of each transaction.

My father was a farmer and so had legal access to fire arms.


Also....

http://www.sciencealert.com/20-year-review-of-australia-s-gun-laws-has-one-clear-finding-they-work
I am also from Australia and just have to add my agreement with this. Guns aren't banned at all if you have a genuine need for them. However, the in my view very sensible restrictions particulary on high powered assault weapons which were introduced after our most horrible mass shooting, have been very effective in reducing gun deaths.
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KweenBoda
Oct 8 2016, 09:28 PM
DesignatedShelley
Oct 8 2016, 09:25 PM
Citizens are not banned from owning guns in Australia, WTF?
Oh sorry! Just heard from a lot of people who live there say they are.
You are hanging out with the wrong crowd of Australians they are entirely misinformed.
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CNN says Pence is considering quitting...
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Tammy
Oct 8 2016, 09:31 PM
KweenBoda
Oct 8 2016, 09:22 PM
Tammy
Oct 8 2016, 09:17 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepIwhite, your Christian
Because we already have enough laws. And to make more only effects the law abiding gun owner. And Hillary has said that it would be a great thing to try here..Australian gun laws. Which means citizens are banned from owning any. Sorry I can't bring that video over here as I'm on my kindle and not my lap top. (Not to tech savvy lol)
Okay then... why does a law abiding gun owner need an assault rifle? I mean honestly how do we have enough gun laws... when any Tom, Dick Or Harry can buy an assault weapon and shoot up a school, or a mall, or a nightclub?

I honestly doubt that ANYONE would get away with abolishing the 2nd amendment... I don't care WHO they are lol.

And I have gotten way off-topic of this thread so feel free not to respond lol. :P
They don't,even the family of the man who created those guns say that we don't,that he would be horrified that his creation is used to commit so much murder.I have zero issue if a person wants a gun for home protection,gun range,hunting,even though I find hunting sick,but if you want it only to take a innocent person's life,you shouldn't have it and I have heard the "well you can't catch all bad people" argument,well cops can't catch all criminals either,but we still have them or the other argument of "A good guy with a gun,stops a bad guy",that only works if your very lucky,even the police chief in Dallas called that a ridiculous argument.
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funone
Oct 8 2016, 09:32 PM
Is there a politics section on this board?
No,but does have a section to talk about whatever you want too.
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funone
Oct 8 2016, 09:38 PM
CNN says Pence is considering quitting...
:rockon:
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Oct 8 2016, 09:41 PM
funone
Oct 8 2016, 09:38 PM
CNN says Pence is considering quitting...
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I don't think it's true.
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Oct 8 2016, 09:26 PM
funone
Oct 8 2016, 09:24 PM
KweenBoda
Oct 8 2016, 09:22 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepIwhite, your Christian
What's a little inconvenience for the "law abiding gun owner" if it means guns won't get in to the wrong hands?
Just curious. How often do bad guys go through background checks?
In Australia.

They don't - we still have illegal guns here.

The difference is if you are pulled over and have possession of a non registered gun you will be charged.
If your house is legally searched and you are in possession of a non registered gun you will be charged.
If something happens with your non registered gun ie your toddler / teenager gets hold of it and shoots someone you will be charged for not having it secured.
If you shoot someone with a non registered gun you will be charged.

It's sometimes the equivalent of Stefano being done for tax evasion.
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Oct 8 2016, 09:42 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 09:41 PM
funone
Oct 8 2016, 09:38 PM
CNN says Pence is considering quitting...
:rockon:
I don't think it's true.
They don't say Pence is considering it. They say the GOP is trying to convince him (and Trump) to consider it.
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Oct 8 2016, 09:45 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 09:42 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 09:41 PM

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I don't think it's true.
They don't say Pence is considering it. They say the GOP is trying to convince him (and Trump) to consider it.
My bad.
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lysie
Oct 8 2016, 09:35 PM
funone
Oct 8 2016, 09:32 PM
Is there a politics section on this board?
No, and we'll probably close this one when I go to bed tomorrow.
Part of me wishes it was closed sooner, I got zero homework done today :$ I'm going to have to ban myself tomorrow.
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Oct 8 2016, 09:51 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 09:35 PM
funone
Oct 8 2016, 09:32 PM
Is there a politics section on this board?
No, and we'll probably close this one when I go to bed tomorrow.
Part of me wishes it was closed sooner, I got zero homework done today :$ I'm going to have to ban myself tomorrow.
No! I enjoyed your posts. Very educational :) But I understand homework comes first. :)
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Anyway, this works fine. Honey, you look horrific.

lysie
Oct 8 2016, 09:45 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 09:42 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 09:41 PM

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I don't think it's true.
They don't say Pence is considering it. They say the GOP is trying to convince him (and Trump) to consider it.
I pulled this off Facebook from a friend's post - it explains why there really is no option to replace Trump or Pence at this point. It's a "colorful" explanation - he's a retired Navy Chief Warrant Officer - but it is accurate and in plain language (as opposed to legalese).

"A hell of a lot of people on both sides of the aisle are suddenly tonight seriously suggesting the RNC replace Trump.

Folks...

They can't.

They can't. It's not possible.

I mean, they CAN.

But it would be a nightmare. The RNC rules allow for it -- and you can bet that rule is the single most popular search phrase on the RNC website right now. But it's never been done before. The RNC is a massive nationwide political organization composed of national and state divisions. There some pretty strict legalities here and for damned good reasons. It would be hellishly complicated. There are massive amounts of money involved, 50 state organizations, federal election law, state laws. The RNC would basically have to hold a convention and vote to withdraw Trump's nomination, I don't know that they could even organize something like that -- given all the lawyers involved -- in the time remaining, let alone pull it off. And you have to remember that this would hardly be uncontested or unanimous.

And if they managed to oust Trump, and there's no guarantee they could, then, well, then the real fun begins.

Mike Pence wouldn't just become the Republican candidate.

If Trump and Pence were elected to office and Trump crapped out, THEN Pence automatically gets moved into the hot seat -- that's the whole reason for a VP in the first place. But before that? As a candidate? The Constitution doesn't apply.

Pence wouldn't automatically replace Trump.

He can't. Legally.

By law, by their own rules, the RNC would have to hold a new convention, whether that was in physical space or virtual, they'd still have to meet their own legal requirements for a convention. Then they'd have to provide a list of declared nominees of which there are none at the moment, so candidates would have to reactivate their suspended campaigns -- Pence doesn't have one, he wasn't running for president, remember? Again this is a complex process. The legalities aren't clear. There are massive amounts of money involved. There would be a thousand legal challenges. People like Ted Cruz aren't going to just stand by while the RNC hands over the nomination to Mike Pence. It would be chaos.

Technically, Pence could be nominated, but there are legal hoops he'd have to jump through first.

Again, could they pull this off in the time remaining? I doubt it.

Then, once they have a list of nominees, the delegates would have to vote for the RNC's new candidate.

Then that Candidate would have to activate, fund, and organize a national campaign. Including nominating a Vice President.

Folks, we're two days out from the second presidential debate.

And even if they could pull all of that off, which they can't, it's too late. The deadlines for changing the ballots in a majority of states have passed. Absentee ballots, especially those from overseas military have already been cast in some cases.

It would be chaos.

It would be a legal nightmare.

It would be the end of the RNC -- I know some of you think that's a great idea, but it might not work out the way you think.

Likely the election would end up in the Supreme Court -- a court deadlocked 4 to 4. Or in the House, which I need not remind you is controlled by Republicans...."
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Oct 8 2016, 09:55 PM
lysie
Oct 8 2016, 09:45 PM
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Oct 8 2016, 09:42 PM

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They don't say Pence is considering it. They say the GOP is trying to convince him (and Trump) to consider it.
I pulled this off Facebook from a friend's post - it explains why there really is no option to replace Trump or Pence at this point. It's a "colorful" explanation - he's a retired Navy Chief Warrant Officer - but it is accurate and in plain language (as opposed to legalese).

"A hell of a lot of people on both sides of the aisle are suddenly tonight seriously suggesting the RNC replace Trump.

Folks...

They can't.

They can't. It's not possible.

I mean, they CAN.

But it would be a nightmare. The RNC rules allow for it -- and you can bet that rule is the single most popular search phrase on the RNC website right now. But it's never been done before. The RNC is a massive nationwide political organization composed of national and state divisions. There some pretty strict legalities here and for damned good reasons. It would be hellishly complicated. There are massive amounts of money involved, 50 state organizations, federal election law, state laws. The RNC would basically have to hold a convention and vote to withdraw Trump's nomination, I don't know that they could even organize something like that -- given all the lawyers involved -- in the time remaining, let alone pull it off. And you have to remember that this would hardly be uncontested or unanimous.

And if they managed to oust Trump, and there's no guarantee they could, then, well, then the real fun begins.

Mike Pence wouldn't just become the Republican candidate.

If Trump and Pence were elected to office and Trump crapped out, THEN Pence automatically gets moved into the hot seat -- that's the whole reason for a VP in the first place. But before that? As a candidate? The Constitution doesn't apply.

Pence wouldn't automatically replace Trump.

He can't. Legally.

By law, by their own rules, the RNC would have to hold a new convention, whether that was in physical space or virtual, they'd still have to meet their own legal requirements for a convention. Then they'd have to provide a list of declared nominees of which there are none at the moment, so candidates would have to reactivate their suspended campaigns -- Pence doesn't have one, he wasn't running for president, remember? Again this is a complex process. The legalities aren't clear. There are massive amounts of money involved. There would be a thousand legal challenges. People like Ted Cruz aren't going to just stand by while the RNC hands over the nomination to Mike Pence. It would be chaos.

Technically, Pence could be nominated, but there are legal hoops he'd have to jump through first.

Again, could they pull this off in the time remaining? I doubt it.

Then, once they have a list of nominees, the delegates would have to vote for the RNC's new candidate.

Then that Candidate would have to activate, fund, and organize a national campaign. Including nominating a Vice President.

Folks, we're two days out from the second presidential debate.

And even if they could pull all of that off, which they can't, it's too late. The deadlines for changing the ballots in a majority of states have passed. Absentee ballots, especially those from overseas military have already been cast in some cases.

It would be chaos.

It would be a legal nightmare.

It would be the end of the RNC -- I know some of you think that's a great idea, but it might not work out the way you think.

Likely the election would end up in the Supreme Court -- a court deadlocked 4 to 4. Or in the House, which I need not remind you is controlled by Republicans...."
Wow that is a really scary thought.
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Oct 8 2016, 09:55 PM
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Can't you guys just keep Obama while you work this out Surely there's an exceptional circumstances clause somewhere.
Edited by concerned, Oct 8 2016, 09:59 PM.
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