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Donald Trumps latest scandal involves Arianne Zucker and DOOL set
Topic Started: Oct 7 2016, 04:26 PM (50,206 Views)
Rosebud
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Oct 8 2016, 10:29 PM
I definitely feel Arianne Zucker should address the Trump scandal for the simple fact of making it clear that she had nothing to do with Trump other than greeting him outside the bus and walking him into DAYS and going over scenes with him and then taping the scenes.

Her speaking could end the rumors by fans (or so-called fans) who mistakenly think Arianne had a history with Trump before DAYS. I read some fans on Jason's site that think Trump was speaking specifically about Arianne early in his and BB's conversation. A trash site headlined that Trump almost had an affair with Arianne.

Arianne should set the record straight that she had nothing to do with him outside of DAYS.

I disagree. Why should she comment about something ridiculous. You can tell by the video that Trump didn't know who the hell she was.
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Rosebud
Oct 9 2016, 12:46 AM
4ever DAYS
Oct 8 2016, 10:29 PM
I definitely feel Arianne Zucker should address the Trump scandal for the simple fact of making it clear that she had nothing to do with Trump other than greeting him outside the bus and walking him into DAYS and going over scenes with him and then taping the scenes.

Her speaking could end the rumors by fans (or so-called fans) who mistakenly think Arianne had a history with Trump before DAYS. I read some fans on Jason's site that think Trump was speaking specifically about Arianne early in his and BB's conversation. A trash site headlined that Trump almost had an affair with Arianne.

Arianne should set the record straight that she had nothing to do with him outside of DAYS.

I disagree. Why should she comment about something ridiculous. You can tell by the video that Trump didn't know who the hell she was.
I agree too that what she said was simply enough. If she puts herself out there into this mess then some may say that she's milking it for the publicity. I think she handled this well.
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Anyway, this works fine. Honey, you look horrific.

If anyone is familiar with Nate Silver (a statistician that analyzes baseball and elections - he successfully called the outcomes in 49 of 50 states in 2008), here's his latest predictions from the fallout of the #TrumpTapes

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-bottom-could-fall-out-for-trump/
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Oct 9 2016, 12:22 AM
lysie
Oct 9 2016, 12:06 AM
Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 12:03 AM

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Either way, it wasn't the other presidential and vice presidential candidates.
Okay this is completely off-topic and it's not the candidates, but I find that in the mainstream press, in Hollywood, on comedy shows, on social media, etc, that it's a lot more acceptable to degrade and insult conservative/Republican women. That's my experience. So when popular culture will demean the first woman to be on the Republican ticket, but then be outraged by Trump's bad treatment of women, it seems off to me. I tried to explain this the best I could.
Political figures have been open to satire since SNL debuted in the 70's. Chevy Chase and his stumbling Gerald Ford impressions helped put the show on the map. Geraldine Ferraro, the first female VP candidate, was parodied on the show long before Palin was. Using a person's own words or actions as the basis of a satire is in no way the same as a man's persistent lascivious comments about women.
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Anyway, this works fine. Honey, you look horrific.

daysjahvu
Oct 9 2016, 12:56 AM
Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 12:22 AM
lysie
Oct 9 2016, 12:06 AM

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Okay this is completely off-topic and it's not the candidates, but I find that in the mainstream press, in Hollywood, on comedy shows, on social media, etc, that it's a lot more acceptable to degrade and insult conservative/Republican women. That's my experience. So when popular culture will demean the first woman to be on the Republican ticket, but then be outraged by Trump's bad treatment of women, it seems off to me. I tried to explain this the best I could.
Political figures have been open to satire since SNL debuted in the 70's. Chevy Chase and his stumbling Gerald Ford impressions helped put the show on the map. Geraldine Ferraro, the first female VP candidate, was parodied on the show long before Palin was. Using a person's own words or actions as the basis of a satire is in no way the same as a man's persistent lascivious comments about women.
Laugh-In and The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour was full of political parody in the 60s-70s - Richard Nixon even appeared on the show when he was running for president. Political satire has been around for a very long time:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_satire
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Bigboy
Oct 9 2016, 12:10 AM
Nigel Farage called Trump a alpha male and some women do the same thing when they get together they say things that that don't want anyone else to hear its not nice its ugly but it happens. He also said Hilary can't throw any stones at Trump after how she and husband has behaved over the years and if she brings up what he said she should throw it back in her face how her knowing all about men behaving badly. Just watched a interview that he gave to Fox this man is so on the side of Trump he doesn't like Hilary at all.

I guess it takes one asshole to recognize another asshole.

Why is Nigel Farage being brought up? :shrug:
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Oct 9 2016, 01:06 AM
daysjahvu
Oct 9 2016, 12:56 AM
Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 12:22 AM

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Political figures have been open to satire since SNL debuted in the 70's. Chevy Chase and his stumbling Gerald Ford impressions helped put the show on the map. Geraldine Ferraro, the first female VP candidate, was parodied on the show long before Palin was. Using a person's own words or actions as the basis of a satire is in no way the same as a man's persistent lascivious comments about women.
Laugh-In and The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour was full of political parody in the 60s-70s - Richard Nixon even appeared on the show when he was running for president. Political satire has been around for a very long time:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_satire
After I typed that, I thought all the political cartoons and earlier shows that came before SNL. Thanks for adding those particular ones.
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Anyway, this works fine. Honey, you look horrific.

daysjahvu
Oct 9 2016, 01:09 AM
Inara Serra
Oct 9 2016, 01:06 AM
daysjahvu
Oct 9 2016, 12:56 AM

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Laugh-In and The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour was full of political parody in the 60s-70s - Richard Nixon even appeared on the show when he was running for president. Political satire has been around for a very long time:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_satire
After I typed that, I thought all the political cartoons and earlier shows that came before SNL. Thanks for adding those particular ones.
Monty Python was a great example of UK political satire. My college bound English class (that was before "Advanced Placement") required us to watch Monty Python on PBS and be able to discuss the current UK events and political humor behind it. Quite extraordinary for a small-town US high school class in the mid-70s, but an excellent critical thinking exercise.
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daysjahvu
Oct 9 2016, 12:56 AM
Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 12:22 AM
lysie
Oct 9 2016, 12:06 AM

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Okay this is completely off-topic and it's not the candidates, but I find that in the mainstream press, in Hollywood, on comedy shows, on social media, etc, that it's a lot more acceptable to degrade and insult conservative/Republican women. That's my experience. So when popular culture will demean the first woman to be on the Republican ticket, but then be outraged by Trump's bad treatment of women, it seems off to me. I tried to explain this the best I could.
Political figures have been open to satire since SNL debuted in the 70's. Chevy Chase and his stumbling Gerald Ford impressions helped put the show on the map. Geraldine Ferraro, the first female VP candidate, was parodied on the show long before Palin was. Using a person's own words or actions as the basis of a satire is in no way the same as a man's persistent lascivious comments about women.
I know about SNL and late-night satire. I still feel the way I do.
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Anyway, this works fine. Honey, you look horrific.

daysjahvu
Oct 9 2016, 01:09 AM
Inara Serra
Oct 9 2016, 01:06 AM
daysjahvu
Oct 9 2016, 12:56 AM

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Laugh-In and The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour was full of political parody in the 60s-70s - Richard Nixon even appeared on the show when he was running for president. Political satire has been around for a very long time:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_satire
After I typed that, I thought all the political cartoons and earlier shows that came before SNL. Thanks for adding those particular ones.
Both those shows also aired in prime time.
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Oct 9 2016, 12:56 AM
If anyone is familiar with Nate Silver (a statistician that analyzes baseball and elections - he successfully called the outcomes in 49 of 50 states in 2008), here's his latest predictions from the fallout of the #TrumpTapes

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-bottom-could-fall-out-for-trump/
I obsessively check that website daily. It's been about the only thing keeping me same over the last few months.
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Anyway, this works fine. Honey, you look horrific.

Luce
Oct 9 2016, 01:21 AM
Inara Serra
Oct 9 2016, 12:56 AM
If anyone is familiar with Nate Silver (a statistician that analyzes baseball and elections - he successfully called the outcomes in 49 of 50 states in 2008), here's his latest predictions from the fallout of the #TrumpTapes

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-bottom-could-fall-out-for-trump/
I obsessively check that website daily. It's been about the only thing keeping me same over the last few months.
Nate is a wizard with numbers. It's quite amazing and spooky how accurate he is.
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Chiming in- Trump is a disgusting pig who is completely unfit and unprepared to be president. The leaked video/audio was horrible and it's him describing sexual assault period. I'm just glad that Days and Ari Zucker get to play a small part in destroying this racist, bigoted, and sexist man's attempt to be president. Love that two of my passions- Hillary Clinton and Days of Our Lives have collided for the greater good of the country.

I had the privilege of working with Ari Zucker at the Daytime Emmys in 2011 and she's a class act and such a sweet women.
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Bigboy


Rosebud
Oct 9 2016, 01:06 AM
Bigboy
Oct 9 2016, 12:10 AM
Nigel Farage called Trump a alpha male and some women do the same thing when they get together they say things that that don't want anyone else to hear its not nice its ugly but it happens. He also said Hilary can't throw any stones at Trump after how she and husband has behaved over the years and if she brings up what he said she should throw it back in her face how her knowing all about men behaving badly. Just watched a interview that he gave to Fox this man is so on the side of Trump he doesn't like Hilary at all.

I guess it takes one asshole to recognize another asshole.

Why is Nigel Farage being brought up? :shrug:
He is in trump's corner that is why i brought him up i have a feeling he going try and help him win and he no asshole he would destroy Hilary Clinton in a second if he was Trump's place now that man knows how to talk he said its laughable her having a go at Trump for this with her track record with men.
Edited by Bigboy, Oct 9 2016, 02:46 AM.
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Donald Trump's words are disgusting, though not in the least bit surprising. It is of course true that many men speak this way but those men give others a bad name. There are plenty of men who find the idea of being led by Donald Trump as repulsive as many women do. There are enough countries in the world that have misogynists as presidents, I'm from one of them and it is not fun. A president's words and views do matter. He may say it was 10 years ago but there's very little that's proven that he's opinion of women has improved. He isn't worthy of anyone's vote and America is so much better than him.
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Bigboy
Oct 9 2016, 02:44 AM
Rosebud
Oct 9 2016, 01:06 AM
Bigboy
Oct 9 2016, 12:10 AM
Nigel Farage called Trump a alpha male and some women do the same thing when they get together they say things that that don't want anyone else to hear its not nice its ugly but it happens. He also said Hilary can't throw any stones at Trump after how she and husband has behaved over the years and if she brings up what he said she should throw it back in her face how her knowing all about men behaving badly. Just watched a interview that he gave to Fox this man is so on the side of Trump he doesn't like Hilary at all.

I guess it takes one asshole to recognize another asshole.

Why is Nigel Farage being brought up? :shrug:
He is in trump's corner that is why i brought him up i have a feeling he going try and help him win and he no asshole he would destroy Hilary Clinton in a second if he was Trump's place now that man knows how to talk he said its laughable her having a go at Trump for this with her track record with men.
Nigel Farage a few months ago, while campaigning for Brexit, told the British people that Turkish men would come over and rape their women if they didn't control their borders.. He is as classless as Donald Trump.
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Oct 9 2016, 12:38 AM
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Oct 9 2016, 12:32 AM
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Come on Abi! This was 11 years ago! I thought you believed people evolved? ;)


Trump recently attacked his ex beauty pageant contestant of calling her fat. That was not very nice though. :shrug:
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Bigboy
Oct 9 2016, 02:44 AM
Rosebud
Oct 9 2016, 01:06 AM
Bigboy
Oct 9 2016, 12:10 AM
Nigel Farage called Trump a alpha male and some women do the same thing when they get together they say things that that don't want anyone else to hear its not nice its ugly but it happens. He also said Hilary can't throw any stones at Trump after how she and husband has behaved over the years and if she brings up what he said she should throw it back in her face how her knowing all about men behaving badly. Just watched a interview that he gave to Fox this man is so on the side of Trump he doesn't like Hilary at all.

I guess it takes one asshole to recognize another asshole.

Why is Nigel Farage being brought up? :shrug:
He is in trump's corner that is why i brought him up i have a feeling he going try and help him win and he no asshole he would destroy Hilary Clinton in a second if he was Trump's place now that man knows how to talk he said its laughable her having a go at Trump for this with her track record with men.
I shudder to ask, but what track record does Hillary Clinton have with men that should preclude her campaign from criticizing Donald Trump from joking about sexual assault?

Is there tape of Hillary Clinton bragging about how she can grab a man's junk against his will because she's more powerful than he is?

Is there tape of Hillary Clinton bragging about forcing kisses on men without asking?

Did she then brush the tape off as "locker room talk" despite the fact that she was in a place of business (hence the microphone) not a locker room, and despite the fact that the man tricked into hugging her was certainly not in a locker room, but rather doing his job at his workplace?

Has Hillary Clinton dismissed men as worthless because of their weight, or their lack of conformity to the narrowest possible scale of physical attractiveness?

Has Hillary Clinton suggested that men shouldn't make as much money as women for the same work because they don't do as good a job?

Has Hillary Clinton publicly mocked her male opponents for using the bathroom?

Has Hillary Clinton watched the father of a slain American soldier stand quietly miserable as his son was remembered, and said that perhaps his wife/religion prevented him from being allowed to speak?

Has Hillary Clinton suggested that a journalist-- one who leans to her side politically!-- had "blood coming out of his wherever" because he asked a question she didn't like?

Or are all of those questions ludicrous when the genders are flipped because there is structural difference in the way society treats men versus women? Because the highest percentage of women in Congress, ever, was 17% in 2011? Because there has never been a female president? Because Hillary Clinton herself is the first female nominee for president from a major party? Because there was never a female Speaker of the House until 2007? No female Secretary of State until 1997? No female attorney general until 1993? No woman on the Supreme Court until 1991? And the current number, three, is the highest it has ever been? Because women didn't even have the right to vote, nationally, until 1920, which is still in living memory?

I am no Hillary Clinton fangirl. Quite the opposite. I've spent the past year gradually resigning myself that I will have to vote for her because she is, for me, the best bad choice. I certainly won't vote for Donald Trump for reasons beyond the scope of this post.

But the idea that she-- a woman who is where no woman has ever been-- shouldn't be allowed to comment on her opponent's misogynistic, degrading, disgusting behavior because of "her track record with men" is beyond beyond.
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Oct 9 2016, 12:56 AM
If anyone is familiar with Nate Silver (a statistician that analyzes baseball and elections - he successfully called the outcomes in 49 of 50 states in 2008), here's his latest predictions from the fallout of the #TrumpTapes

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-bottom-could-fall-out-for-trump/
I read that article. Very interesting.
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One thing I wanted to mention yesterday -- Trump has been very vague about his position on women in combat in the military. These are from a couple years ago on his twitter:

"26,000 unreported sexual assults in the military-only 238 convictions. What did these geniuses expect when they put men & women together?" -- as if men in the military can't and shouldn't be expected to refrain from assaulting women?

"The Generals and top military brass never wanted a mixer but were forced to do it by very dumb politicians who wanted to be politically C!" -- doesn't seem to be about anything other than the very possibility of women in the military at all

From last year on CBS:

"The answer is yes [women should be in combat roles] because they're really into it. And some of them are really, really good at it… I would really speak to the generals, because I would want to hear that without a political bent. To the public, they say, 'yes, yes, yes,' but I would want to hear it without the political bent."

"There are many people who think it shouldn't be done at a high level, at a level of general ... I think that it's a very tricky situation. Will it work out? I hope so. I can say this: The numbers of rapes in the military are through the roof, through the roof."

So while he seems more open lately there's still a lot of questions that he can't seem to answer, and he still seems to think that limiting women's presence in the military is the appropriate reaction to the presence of rapes in the military

Mike Pensk has said this about women in the military:

"You see, now stay with me on this, many young men find many young women to be attractive sexually. Many young women find many young men to be attractive sexually. Put them together, in close quarters, for long periods of time, and things will get interesting. Just like they eventually did for young Mulan. Moral of story: women in military, bad idea." -- in a 1999 op-ed

There is nothing to update about women in the military since then because so far Pensk has refused to comment when reached out to by the press. In 2000 Pensk also wanted to ban gay men from the military.
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