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Donald Trumps latest scandal involves Arianne Zucker and DOOL set
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Sindacco
Oct 9 2016, 10:21 AM
lysie
Oct 8 2016, 03:37 PM
It's one thing to have political differences when it comes to the economy or state vs federal or whatever. This election is very different. I know people want it to be as simple as "we have a difference of opinion" but it's just not. There's much more on the line for many people this time, and it's no longer a situation where a simple agree to disagree even makes sense.
You're right, much is on the line. Millions of lives will be destroyed when Hillary take office and contiune the wars and conflicts that Obama and his allies started against Syria, Libya and Russia.
Hillary scares the hell out of me. I've already put up with 8 years of Obama and now another 4-8 years of a corrupt Hillary with a big government/high taxes/cutting military spending/big union/pro-choice (in other words leftist) agenda. Don't even get me started on the type of judges she will appoint.
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Sindacco
Oct 9 2016, 01:38 PM
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Oct 9 2016, 01:20 PM
Kriss4
Oct 8 2016, 07:06 AM
I don't trust Hillary, but Trump?

The comments he made about Ari are unacceptable and awful, but they're part of the bigger problem that is Donald Trump. He's not only a misogynist, he's a bigot, too. He's spoken out against Mexicans, handicapped people, a prisoner of war. He doesn't take responsibility for himself. If he's challenged in any way, the first thing he usually does is insult the other person, complete with name calling, and attack them. It's his pattern.

He's immature.

I have to wonder, if he's elected, how long it would be before he offended someone enough to cause some kind of war. He'd probably cause more than one. He doesn't think first. He attacks, uncaring of potential consequences. It's clear he has a hair-trigger temper.

I think he'd be a dangerous president.

I've been saying that all along. He cannot be diplomatic. He's going to alienate our allies and piss off our enemies.
He's already had meetings with the president of Mexico and the prime minister of Israel. There didn't seem to be a problem. I think alot of the things he say and do are for show. He can be diplomatic when he needs to be.
He met the Mexican president and claimed they never discussed the stupid wall,but the president said they did and he let him know there's no way their paying for it,but Trump keeps insisting they're.
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trojangal
Oct 9 2016, 01:53 PM
Snowing Fan
Oct 9 2016, 12:25 PM
Apparently nbc can't release the videos of Trump being vulgar,worse then the video we've seen on the apprentice set because Mark Burnett won't let them.😡
Doesn't surprise me since Burnett is/ was a business partner & supporter of Trump.

Supposedly all of the crew of the Apprentice signed non-disclosure agreements
so speaking out to what happened & what was said could get them sued.
That's par for the course.

Even when people don't sign non-disclosure agreements, they won't speak out because they will be shunned and will not be able to work in Hollywood again. Case in point: Bill Cosby. Look how long it took for that to come out. It even made a peak ten years earlier, but it was quickly quashed.

If we only knew all that went on in Hollywood and in Washington (D.C.) we'd probably never watch a TV show again and would never vote for anyone.

Hmmm ... maybe that needs to happen ...
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Drew
Oct 9 2016, 02:02 PM
Jason47
Oct 9 2016, 01:45 PM
[twitter=jen_lilley/status/784984780735516672]
LMFAO.

What a dunce. "I support him through all his racist, sexist, ablest tripe but don't come for a wealthy white woman"
Did Jen support him before this?
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Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 02:09 PM
Hillary scares the hell out of me. I've already put up with 8 years of Obama and now another 4-8 years of a corrupt Hillary with a big government/high taxes/cutting military spending/big union/pro-choice (in other words leftist) agenda. Don't even get me started on the type of judges she will appoint.
I'm just the opposite.

I dread Trump and Pence destroying environmental regulations. Because our children and grandchildren will suffer from a depleted planet.

I dread Trump increasing the military. He's likely to cause the nuclear destruction of the planet.

I dread Trump destroying unions and workers rights.

I dread Trump's disrespect for women.

And I dread the type of judges that Trump or Pence would appoint.

That's why I'm voting for Hillary.
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Oct 9 2016, 01:39 PM
Snowing Fan
Oct 9 2016, 12:29 PM
"You're So Vain" singer-songwriter Carly Simon is repurposing her wildly popular song from 1972 as an anti-Donald Trump anthem.
The first time Simon has allowed the song to be put toward a political cause.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKaiedK9SFc
So funny. :laugh: I never in a million years would have thought I would agree with Glenn Beck, but I do. :wine:

"I think there is very strong evidence that he's a psychopath."

But, what can you say about all of those people calling Trump a narcissist and a psychopath, and then in the next instant supporting him. What does that make them?
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[twitter=RealRonHoward/status/784610992726609921]
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Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 02:09 PM
Sindacco
Oct 9 2016, 10:21 AM
lysie
Oct 8 2016, 03:37 PM
It's one thing to have political differences when it comes to the economy or state vs federal or whatever. This election is very different. I know people want it to be as simple as "we have a difference of opinion" but it's just not. There's much more on the line for many people this time, and it's no longer a situation where a simple agree to disagree even makes sense.
You're right, much is on the line. Millions of lives will be destroyed when Hillary take office and contiune the wars and conflicts that Obama and his allies started against Syria, Libya and Russia.
Hillary scares the hell out of me. I've already put up with 8 years of Obama and now another 4-8 years of a corrupt Hillary with a big government/high taxes/cutting military spending/big union/pro-choice (in other words leftist) agenda. Don't even get me started on the type of judges she will appoint.
LOL.

"Big Union" ... how DARE workers be treated like people instead of wage slaves. Then again this comes from the country that doesn't believe in Parental Leave, Unemployment Insurance or Sick Pay like the rest of the civilized world.

"Cutting military spending" .... because blocking the funding of medical and psychiatric care for veterans when they return home is so noble of the GOP. But typical I guess of Trump and his supporters "they just couldn't handle it"
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nananana7
Oct 9 2016, 02:18 PM
Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 02:09 PM
Hillary scares the hell out of me. I've already put up with 8 years of Obama and now another 4-8 years of a corrupt Hillary with a big government/high taxes/cutting military spending/big union/pro-choice (in other words leftist) agenda. Don't even get me started on the type of judges she will appoint.
I'm just the opposite.

I dread Trump and Pence destroying environmental regulations. Because our children and grandchildren will suffer from a depleted planet.

I dread Trump increasing the military. He's likely to blow the planet up.

I dread Trump destroying unions and workers rights.

I dread Trump's disrespect for women.

And I dread the type of judges he would appoint.

That's why I'm voting for Hillary.
As a latina, disabled, bisexual woman, I dread him becoming president. I dread how people will start acting around my dad (their excuse being Trump as president) who is often mistaken for a muslim because he has brown skin.

That's one of the main reasons I'm voting for Hillary even when I don't care much for her either.
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Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 02:00 PM
Inara Serra
Oct 9 2016, 01:39 PM
For the record, Juanita Broaddrick denied the allegations against Bill Clinton in 1998 UNDER OATH at a time when it mattered.

"In a sworn affidavit on Dec 23, 1998, Juanita Broaddrick denied an “unsubstantiated, hearsay claim” made by the Paula Jones’ legal team that Bill Clinton had invited her (as Jane Doe #5) to a hotel room and forced her to have sex.

Under oath, Broaddrick said the rumors were “untrue”."

Here is the link to her affidavit, per the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/affidavit122398.htm
Women lie about whether they are raped or not for a whole variety of reasons. She claims she was raped now and I believe her. What happened to believing in the victim? Regardless, there are a whole laundry list of women that Bill was inappropriate with. I realize this is a Trump thread, but nothing excuses Bill's behavior and IMO Hillary's shaming them.
It becomes pretty complicated when the person denies it.
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Drew
Oct 9 2016, 02:22 PM
Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 02:09 PM
Sindacco
Oct 9 2016, 10:21 AM

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Hillary scares the hell out of me. I've already put up with 8 years of Obama and now another 4-8 years of a corrupt Hillary with a big government/high taxes/cutting military spending/big union/pro-choice (in other words leftist) agenda. Don't even get me started on the type of judges she will appoint.
LOL.

"Big Union" ... how DARE workers be treated like people instead of wage slaves. Then again this comes from the country that doesn't believe in Parental Leave, Unemployment Insurance or Sick Pay.

"Cutting military spending" .... because blocking the funding of medical and psychiatric care for veterans when they return home is so noble of the GOP. But typical I guess of Trump and his supporters "they just couldn't handle it"
How dare people have the right not to be part of a union. Hillary doesn't believe in "right to work."

I live in a military country and the overwhelming majority of them are not supporting Hillary because they know she and the democratic party won't do anything good for them. But you probably just think they're stupid. :rolleyes:
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Anyway, this works fine. Honey, you look horrific.

Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 02:00 PM
Inara Serra
Oct 9 2016, 01:39 PM
For the record, Juanita Broaddrick denied the allegations against Bill Clinton in 1998 UNDER OATH at a time when it mattered.

"In a sworn affidavit on Dec 23, 1998, Juanita Broaddrick denied an “unsubstantiated, hearsay claim” made by the Paula Jones’ legal team that Bill Clinton had invited her (as Jane Doe #5) to a hotel room and forced her to have sex.

Under oath, Broaddrick said the rumors were “untrue”."

Here is the link to her affidavit, per the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/affidavit122398.htm
Women lie about whether they are raped or not for a whole variety of reasons. She claims she was raped now and I believe her. What happened to believing in the victim? Regardless, there are a whole laundry list of women that Bill was inappropriate with. I realize this is a Trump thread, but nothing excuses Bill's behavior and IMO Hillary's shaming them.
I did not say anything about believing or disbelieving her, I merely copied a link to a legal document submitted under oath from a deposition at the time of Clinton's impeachment.

People lie under oath all the time, it's called perjury. People also lie when they have an agenda. Ms. Broaddrick has said different things at different times, under different circumstances, it makes her "accusations" inconsistent. My "beliefs" do not matter and were not stated.

I'm also perfectly aware of the accusations - substantiated and unsubstantiated leveled at a President Clinton. I have worked in the legal field since 1978, it was all over the news at the time, and it was discussed and analyzed in depth.

The act of providing links to legal documentation does not condone the behavior of President Clinton, nor does it condemn Ms. Broaddrick. However, if Ms. Broaddrick were to be sworn under oath today for comments Tweeted in January, a good attorney would use her 1998 deposition to impeach her testimony and show her to be an unreliable witness.

You are entitled to your beliefs, but it unwise to assume that by providing evidence to the contrary, that I excuse anyone's behavior or that you know anything about my beliefs at all.

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lysie
Oct 9 2016, 02:25 PM
Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 02:00 PM
Inara Serra
Oct 9 2016, 01:39 PM
For the record, Juanita Broaddrick denied the allegations against Bill Clinton in 1998 UNDER OATH at a time when it mattered.

"In a sworn affidavit on Dec 23, 1998, Juanita Broaddrick denied an “unsubstantiated, hearsay claim” made by the Paula Jones’ legal team that Bill Clinton had invited her (as Jane Doe #5) to a hotel room and forced her to have sex.

Under oath, Broaddrick said the rumors were “untrue”."

Here is the link to her affidavit, per the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/affidavit122398.htm
Women lie about whether they are raped or not for a whole variety of reasons. She claims she was raped now and I believe her. What happened to believing in the victim? Regardless, there are a whole laundry list of women that Bill was inappropriate with. I realize this is a Trump thread, but nothing excuses Bill's behavior and IMO Hillary's shaming them.
It becomes pretty complicated when the person denies it.
Doesn't change the other women.
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I am still trying to figure out how Trump is going to get Mexico to pay
for building his wall . Is he going to sue them ? Start a border war?

I mean do people actually believe this will happen?
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nananana7
Oct 9 2016, 02:18 PM
I dread Trump and Pence destroying environmental regulations. Because our children and grandchildren will suffer from a depleted planet.
One thing I am interested to see is if Hillary can really grow the green/renewable energy and advanced manufacturing job markets. Coal and steel are not coming back, it's like the toothpaste that you can't get it back in the tube. Instead I think we should get advantages in the markets of the future instead of those of the past. I know that Obama hasn't been able to, but he had the immediate effects of the recession to deal with. Job growth is healthier now, so I'm hopeful.

Everybody sees the environment and industry/jobs as diametrically opposed, but while there are some points of contention (regulations, emission caps, etc) there is also room for progress together. I remember listening to the radio about this guy explaining how when he asked farmers in Texas whether or not they believed in climate change and doing something about it, they said no, but when he talked about the related effects on their crops without saying the term "climate change" they agreed that action needed to be taken. Goes to show that taking things by their facts instead of by knee-jerk response can really make a difference.
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Oct 9 2016, 02:27 PM
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Oct 9 2016, 02:00 PM
Inara Serra
Oct 9 2016, 01:39 PM

You are entitled to your beliefs, but it unwise to assume that by providing evidence to the contrary, that I excuse anyone's behavior or that you know anything about my beliefs at all.

I was stating my belief that it doesn't excuse him.
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Oct 9 2016, 02:27 PM
lysie
Oct 9 2016, 02:25 PM
Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 02:00 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/affidavit122398.htmWhat happened to believing in the victim? Regardless, there are a whole laundry list of women that Bill was inappropriate with. I realize this is a Trump thread, but nothing excuses Bill's behavior and IMO Hillary's shaming them.
It becomes pretty complicated when the person denies it.
Doesn't change the other women.
No, it doesn't. But they're not what I was responding about.
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Unless this second debate is a game-changer in Trump's favor (highly unlikely), this presidential race is essentially over. Clinton will be the next president. Tomorrow, a lot of people in the GOP and in his campaign will distance themselves from Trump for good, withdraw their endorsements, maybe urge him to drop out. Some have already done that over the weekend.

If you're a Republican, ask yourself: is it worth still supporting this horrible candidate and betraying your values, when it won't even stop Clinton? When future generations ask you if you voted for him in 2016, will you have to lie because you're ashamed of your vote? If you want to elect Republicans, you can still do that with the congress. Vote with your conscience.
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Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 02:26 PM
I live in a military country and the overwhelming majority of them are not supporting Hillary because they know she and the democratic party won't do anything good for them.
I don't think we can paint all Democrats with a single brush. I don't think we can paint all Republicans with a single brush. I don't think we can paint all military personnel with a single brush.
(I'm not claiming that you're doing this, I'm just saying it's generally not a good idea)

I grew up in a region of the USA that had several military bases, and my father served as a military officer for 30 years. My father felt the best agenda for our country was to improve human rights and making the world a better place, and that was why he felt called to be in the service. He was an officer at a military base and he taught his cadets respect for all people. He and my mother got our family to be a host family for foreign exchange students. We had people from all over the world visiting us all the time, and we learned about different cultures and religions. My father was proud when my brothers refused to be drafted into fighting in an unethical war. My mother felt the most Christian thing she could do was to work for civil rights and to help the poor. We were/are members of the Democratic party, but would vote independent during years when our conscience called for it. My father received a military medal upon his retirement due to his exemplary service. My father phoned me regularly to remind me to vote for human rights.

Not everyone in any political party is exactly alike. Not everyone in the military votes the same way.

Ultimately, I believe that, regardless of political party, the best thing for the military is to build it into a force that is focused on service and not domination. And I think that soldiers could be given peacetime work rebuilding infrastructure, which I think could be organized in an honorable way.
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Ari just tweeted
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