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Donald Trumps latest scandal involves Arianne Zucker and DOOL set
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Topic Started: Oct 7 2016, 04:26 PM (50,199 Views)
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Oct 9 2016, 02:53 PM
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LOL. "Big Union" ... how DARE workers be treated like people instead of wage slaves. Then again this comes from the country that doesn't believe in Parental Leave, Unemployment Insurance or Sick Pay. "Cutting military spending" .... because blocking the funding of medical and psychiatric care for veterans when they return home is so noble of the GOP. But typical I guess of Trump and his supporters "they just couldn't handle it"
How dare people have the right not to be part of a union. Hillary doesn't believe in "right to work." I live in a military country and the overwhelming majority of them are not supporting Hillary because they know she and the democratic party won't do anything good for them. But you probably just think they're stupid. :rolleyes: You weren't replying to me, but I don't think they're stupid. I do think they are courted very purposefully and very specifically by politicians who take extreme advantage of their patriotism, and consider fear a valuable recruitment tool. Optimists always say there's nothing more compelling than hope. I think it's fear, and I think the large majority of the establishment GOP knows it, and uses it without remorse. When you're being targeted that heavily, being told what you fear the most is sitting on the other side of the aisle in your very own country (whether it's true or not) I don't blame anyone at all for flocking to the candidate who is crying wolf. Who wants to take the chance? I'm well aware there's nothing factual in what I just said, but I wholeheartedly believe it to be true, and is one the very most fundamental reasons I just cannot fathom affiliating myself with the Republican Party. At least not in it's current state. Fear tactics disgust me, they're manipulative and harmfully divisive in ways I just cannot abide.
Just my opinion.
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Oct 9 2016, 02:54 PM
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Re. military spending -- if you want more spending of any kind, you will inevitably have to increase taxes. Either that or deficit spend which is not fiscally conservative. The military is the biggest portion of the US government's discretionary spending by far. So if you want both more military spending and lower taxes, you have to at least recognize that this is much easier said than done.
I'm not really sure what we are supposed to cut spending on in order to give the revenue to the military instead -- education? medicare? veterans' benefits? You still have to keep that money, wherever you take it from, it won't go back into taxpayer pockets.
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[twitter=Ari_Zucker/status/785204569995227136]
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"My name is Arianne (R-E-on) ZUCKER (Zooker) and I am a strong, independent, hard working mother, business woman and partner to a great man. I have grown to learn that the words of others cannot effect the value of my self worth or define the content of my character. How we treat one another, whether behind closed doors, locker rooms or face to face, should be done with kindness, dignity and respect. Unfortunately, there are too many people in power who abuse their position and disregard these simple principles and are rewarded for it. In understanding the magnitude of this situation, I choose to stand tall with self respect and use my voice to enrich, inspire and elevate the best of who we are as people."
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Oct 9 2016, 02:55 PM
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I live in a military country and the overwhelming majority of them are not supporting Hillary because they know she and the democratic party won't do anything good for them.
I don't think we can paint all Democrats with a single brush. I don't think we can paint all Republicans with a single brush. I don't think we can paint all military personnel with a single brush. (I'm not claiming that you're doing this, I'm just saying it's generally not a good idea) I grew up in a region of the USA that had several military bases, and my father served as a military officer for 30 years. My father felt the best agenda for our country was to improve human rights and making the world a better place, and that was why he felt called to be in the service. He was an officer at a military base and he taught his cadets respect for all people. He and my mother got our family to be a host family for foreign exchange students. We had people from all over the world visiting us all the time, and we learned about different cultures and religions. My father was proud when my brothers refused to be drafted into fighting in an unethical war. My mother felt the most Christian thing she could do was to work for civil rights and to help the poor. We were/are members of the Democratic party, but would vote independent during years when our conscience called for it. My father received a military medal upon his retirement due to his exemplary service. My father phoned me regularly to remind me to vote for human rights. Not everyone in any political party is exactly alike. Not everyone in the military votes the same way. Ultimately, I believe that, regardless of political party, the best thing for the military is to build it into a force that is focused on service and not domination. And I think that soldiers could be given peacetime work rebuilding infrastructure, which I think could be organized in an honorable way. That wasn't my intention. I'm just saying it's hard to find any support for Hillary in the area that I live and a lot of that is influenced by the military. On the other hand, I've seen a lot of assumptions made here about Republicans or anyone who might vote for Trump. Not by you, you're very respectful as always.
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Oct 9 2016, 02:58 PM
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Great statement from Ari. She couldn't have said it better.
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Oct 9 2016, 03:02 PM
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How dare people have the right not to be part of a union. Hillary doesn't believe in "right to work." I live in a military country and the overwhelming majority of them are not supporting Hillary because they know she and the democratic party won't do anything good for them. But you probably just think they're stupid. :rolleyes:
You weren't replying to me, but I don't think they're stupid. I do think they are courted very purposefully and very specifically by politicians who take extreme advantage of their patriotism, and consider fear a valuable recruitment tool. Optimists always say there's nothing more compelling than hope. I think it's fear, and I think the large majority of the establishment GOP knows it, and uses it without remorse. When you're being targeted that heavily, being told what you fear the most is sitting on the other side of the aisle in your very own country (whether it's true or not) I don't blame anyone at all for flocking to the candidate who is crying wolf. Who wants to take the chance? I'm well aware there's nothing factual in what I just said, but I wholeheartedly believe it to be true, and is one the very most fundamental reasons I just cannot fathom affiliating myself with the Republican Party. At least not in it's current state. Fear tactics disgust me, they're manipulative and harmfully divisive in ways I just cannot abide. Just my opinion. I whole heartily disagree. They are not being taking advantage of and know the issues very well. That sort of sentiment doesn't give them any credit and sort of says they have no brains. Just because someone thinks very differently from you doesn't mean they are being taking advantage of. I can give examples of the Democratic Party using fear tactics targeted towards various groups, but I'm going to be respectful enough of their own minds not to suggest they are being duped.
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Oct 9 2016, 03:03 PM
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Anyway, this works fine. Honey, you look horrific.
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The RNC appears to be redirecting funds to the down ticket races:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-scrambles-to-salvage-election-after-donald-trumps-latest-imbroglio-1475969203
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/300048-report-rnc-redirecting-funds-away-from-trump
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Oct 9 2016, 03:03 PM
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I live in a military country and the overwhelming majority of them are not supporting Hillary because they know she and the democratic party won't do anything good for them.
I don't think we can paint all Democrats with a single brush. I don't think we can paint all Republicans with a single brush. I don't think we can paint all military personnel with a single brush. (I'm not claiming that you're doing this, I'm just saying it's generally not a good idea) I grew up in a region of the USA that had several military bases, and my father served as a military officer for 30 years. My father felt the best agenda for our country was to improve human rights and making the world a better place, and that was why he felt called to be in the service. He was an officer at a military base and he taught his cadets respect for all people. He and my mother got our family to be a host family for foreign exchange students. We had people from all over the world visiting us all the time, and we learned about different cultures and religions. My father was proud when my brothers refused to be drafted into fighting in an unethical war. My mother felt the most Christian thing she could do was to work for civil rights and to help the poor. We were/are members of the Democratic party, but would vote independent during years when our conscience called for it. My father received a military medal upon his retirement due to his exemplary service. My father phoned me regularly to remind me to vote for human rights. Not everyone in any political party is exactly alike. Not everyone in the military votes the same way. Ultimately, I believe that, regardless of political party, the best thing for the military is to build it into a force that is focused on service and not domination. And I think that soldiers could be given peacetime work rebuilding infrastructure, which I think could be organized in an honorable way.
That wasn't my intention. I'm just saying it's hard to find any support for Hillary in the area that I live and a lot of that is influenced by the military. On the other hand, I've seen a lot of assumptions made here about Republicans or anyone who might vote for Trump. Not by you, you're very respectful as always. Trump 's comments disrespected all that Senator John McCain went through as a POW. My maternal grandfather was an army doctor & a POW during WW2, so I took it to heart. Not sure Trump would be an advocate for our Vets & Military families
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Oct 9 2016, 03:04 PM
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screencap of Ari's tweet
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Shawn Christian retweeted Ari's tweet.
[twitter=ShawnC4real/status/785205586614902784]
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Oct 9 2016, 03:14 PM
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- Oct 9 2016, 03:03 PM
Well it makes sense for them to do this, the rats are abandoning the sinking Trump ship. If Clinton wins the Republicans only hope is to get enough Republicans elected to Congress to challenge the things the Democrats want to achieve.
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Oct 9 2016, 03:15 PM
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That wasn't my intention. I'm just saying it's hard to find any support for Hillary in the area that I live and a lot of that is influenced by the military. On the other hand, I've seen a lot of assumptions made here about Republicans or anyone who might vote for Trump. Not by you, you're very respectful as always.
Trump 's comments disrespected all that Senator John McCain went through as a POW. My maternal grandfather was an army doctor & a POW during WW2, so I took it to heart. Not sure Trump would be an advocate for our Vets & Military families . Hillary isn't any better. Benghazi happened on her watch.
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Is there anyway Trump can still this election or is finished after those comments he about women?
I am a outsider that is watching this with a lot of interest say he has a good debate tonight you think that win back some of the voters or won't matter as the damage as already being done by what he said.
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You weren't replying to me, but I don't think they're stupid. I do think they are courted very purposefully and very specifically by politicians who take extreme advantage of their patriotism, and consider fear a valuable recruitment tool. Optimists always say there's nothing more compelling than hope. I think it's fear, and I think the large majority of the establishment GOP knows it, and uses it without remorse. When you're being targeted that heavily, being told what you fear the most is sitting on the other side of the aisle in your very own country (whether it's true or not) I don't blame anyone at all for flocking to the candidate who is crying wolf. Who wants to take the chance? I'm well aware there's nothing factual in what I just said, but I wholeheartedly believe it to be true, and is one the very most fundamental reasons I just cannot fathom affiliating myself with the Republican Party. At least not in it's current state. Fear tactics disgust me, they're manipulative and harmfully divisive in ways I just cannot abide. Just my opinion.
I whole heartily disagree. They are not being taking advantage of and know the issues very well. That sort of sentiment doesn't give them any credit and sort of says they have no brains. I've spoken to many members of Veterans for Peace and I would have to disagree with you there. They were recruited because they did not know the issues well - which is not surprising because all but very alternative channels of news media are nothing more than propaganda machines that really serve both the Republicans AND Democrats, who are just opposite sides of the corporate, imperialist coin (one side of which is more sensitive to social identity issues).
These Veterans for Peace were well-intended, young, poor and/or vulnerable when they enlisted. They were preyed upon in many emotionally manipulative ways (as we all are everyday via endless "news" and advertising), or simply because they needed financial and educational opportunities they could not have otherwise had. After their experiences in combat and within the military, and most importantly, after educating themselves about history and current affairs, they totally changed their tune.
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Well it makes sense for them to do this, the rats are abandoning the sinking Trump ship. If Clinton wins the Republicans only hope is to get enough Republicans elected to Congress to challenge the things the Democrats want to achieve. They already do that with Obama,blocking him at every turn.
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Trump 's comments disrespected all that Senator John McCain went through as a POW. My maternal grandfather was an army doctor & a POW during WW2, so I took it to heart. Not sure Trump would be an advocate for our Vets & Military families .
Hillary isn't any better. Benghazi happened on her watch. I don't like H Clinton either & I agree she screwed up Bengazhi , she should have immediately come out wth the truth but that doesn't mean Trump is going to do anything meaningful for the military & vets .
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Well it makes sense for them to do this, the rats are abandoning the sinking Trump ship. If Clinton wins the Republicans only hope is to get enough Republicans elected to Congress to challenge the things the Democrats want to achieve.
They already do that with Obama,blocking him at every turn. Oh I know
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It's one thing to have political differences when it comes to the economy or state vs federal or whatever. This election is very different. I know people want it to be as simple as "we have a difference of opinion" but it's just not. There's much more on the line for many people this time, and it's no longer a situation where a simple agree to disagree even makes sense.
You're right, much is on the line. Millions of lives will be destroyed when Hillary take office and contiune the wars and conflicts that Obama and his allies started against Syria, Libya and Russia.
Hillary scares the hell out of me. I've already put up with 8 years of Obama and now another 4-8 years of a corrupt Hillary with a big government/high taxes/cutting military spending/big union/pro-choice (in other words leftist) agenda. Don't even get me started on the type of judges she will appoint. Sorry, but boo hoo... I had to put up with Nixon, Reagan, Bush, and Bush Jr. And a right wing congress that can't wait to take away hard won rights, and turn the country into a Theocracy.
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It becomes pretty complicated when the person denies it.
Doesn't change the other women. How sad is it for your country that of a population of however many millions the ones who manage to make it to the top of the leadership scrabble pile are someone objectionable or married to someone who is objectionable.
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I whole heartily disagree. They are not being taking advantage of and know the issues very well. That sort of sentiment doesn't give them any credit and sort of says they have no brains.
I've spoken to many members of Veterans for Peace and I would have to disagree with you there. They were recruited because they did not know the issues well - which is not surprising because all but very alternative channels of news media are nothing more than propaganda machines that really serve both the Republicans AND Democrats, who are just opposite sides of the corporate, imperialist coin (one side of which is more sensitive to social identity issues). These Veterans for Peace were well-intended, young, poor and/or vulnerable when they enlisted. They were preyed upon in many emotionally manipulative ways (as we all are everyday via endless "news" and advertising), or simply because they needed financial and educational opportunities they could not have otherwise had. After their experiences in combat and within the military, and most importantly, after educating themselves about history and current affairs, they totally changed their tune. I personally know military members and I can assure you they know the issues well. You can continue to believe they are stupid and taken advantage of if it makes you feel better.
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