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Donald Trumps latest scandal involves Arianne Zucker and DOOL set
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trojangal
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Bigboy
Oct 9 2016, 03:19 PM
Is there anyway Trump can still this election or is finished after those comments he about women?

I am a outsider that is watching this with a lot of interest say he has a good debate tonight you think that win back some of the voters or won't matter as the damage as already being done by what he said.
After the debate tonight barring any serious gaffes by either candidate
His supporters will still vote for him
Her supporters will still vote for her

I know you are from another country but
do know that it doesn't matter who wins the popular vote
It is the electoral college count that matters?
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Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 03:25 PM
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Oct 9 2016, 03:20 PM
Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 03:02 PM

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I've spoken to many members of Veterans for Peace and I would have to disagree with you there. They were recruited because they did not know the issues well - which is not surprising because all but very alternative channels of news media are nothing more than propaganda machines that really serve both the Republicans AND Democrats, who are just opposite sides of the corporate, imperialist coin (one side of which is more sensitive to social identity issues).

These Veterans for Peace were well-intended, young, poor and/or vulnerable when they enlisted. They were preyed upon in many emotionally manipulative ways (as we all are everyday via endless "news" and advertising), or simply because they needed financial and educational opportunities they could not have otherwise had. After their experiences in combat and within the military, and most importantly, after educating themselves about history and current affairs, they totally changed their tune.
I personally know military members and I can assure you they know the issues well. You can continue to believe they are stupid and taken advantage of if it makes you feel better.
All military members, like the rest of the population, are not the same. My brother was in the military and he's an absolute moron who is definitely uneducated and certainly knows nothing about any issues.
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trojangal
Oct 9 2016, 03:28 PM
Bigboy
Oct 9 2016, 03:19 PM
Is there anyway Trump can still this election or is finished after those comments he about women?

I am a outsider that is watching this with a lot of interest say he has a good debate tonight you think that win back some of the voters or won't matter as the damage as already being done by what he said.
After the debate tonight barring any serious gaffes by either candidate
His supporters will still vote for him
Her supporters will still vote for her

I know you are from another country but
do know that it doesn't matter who wins the popular vote
It is the electoral college count that matters?
But nothing is decided tonight right we will find out on 08 Nov who wins?

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Oct 9 2016, 02:47 PM
Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 02:26 PM
I live in a military country and the overwhelming majority of them are not supporting Hillary because they know she and the democratic party won't do anything good for them.
I don't think we can paint all Democrats with a single brush. I don't think we can paint all Republicans with a single brush. I don't think we can paint all military personnel with a single brush.
(I'm not claiming that you're doing this, I'm just saying it's generally not a good idea)

I grew up in a region of the USA that had several military bases, and my father served as a military officer for 30 years. My father felt the best agenda for our country was to improve human rights and making the world a better place, and that was why he felt called to be in the service. He was an officer at a military base and he taught his cadets respect for all people. He and my mother got our family to be a host family for foreign exchange students. We had people from all over the world visiting us all the time, and we learned about different cultures and religions. My father was proud when my brothers refused to be drafted into fighting in an unethical war. My mother felt the most Christian thing she could do was to work for civil rights and to help the poor. We were/are members of the Democratic party, but would vote independent during years when our conscience called for it. My father received a military medal upon his retirement due to his exemplary service. My father phoned me regularly to remind me to vote for human rights.

Not everyone in any political party is exactly alike. Not everyone in the military votes the same way.

Ultimately, I believe that, regardless of political party, the best thing for the military is to build it into a force that is focused on service and not domination. And I think that soldiers could be given peacetime work rebuilding infrastructure, which I think could be organized in an honorable way.
Great post. My dad is also a veteran, and he happens to be a card-carrying liberal. Veterans and military personnel are no more homogeneous in their political views than any of the rest of the 319 million people in this country.

There are plenty of reasons to think Trump is not best for the military, among them:

His mocking of POVs.

His position that veterans with PTSD are weak.

And his characterization of himself as too smart to pay taxes. Taxes are what put protective gear on our armed forces' backs and airlift them to hospitals.

(Edited to remove the rhetorical question lest it be misinterpreted.)
Edited by Cimz, Oct 9 2016, 03:39 PM.
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My dad has served this country,as have my grandfathers,uncles and only my dad are around to hear Trump speak,but they were deeply disturbed to hear Trump go after Mccain and then suggest your not strong if you get PTSD,is Trump a doctor,he's certainly no expert on serving,he avoided serving 5 times because a boo boo in his foot and he cannot even tell you which foot and just said recently he'd go to war with countries who give us bad hand gestures.

He also thinks it's funny to suggest Hillary be shot,TWICE,first by saying "If she's elected,let's see what 2nd amendment people do to her",then telling her secret service to disarm,he and she get death threats on a daily basis,it's not funny.DT has very thin skin,he's all about talking bad about others,but cannot handle when others talk about him,as president they get criticized for every move they make EVERYDAY,if a foreign leader someday says something negative about him,he can't turn into his usual turning into a 7 year old and start name calling and having a temper tantrum.
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Anyway, this works fine. Honey, you look horrific.

Tonight's debate is a town hall forum with half of the questions submitted by the undecided in-studio and online participants and the other half will come from moderators Anderson Cooper and Martha Raddatz.

Debates done in this style suggests that "stagecraft, body language and empathy matter more than they do in conventional settings, where the candidates tend to stand at lecterns and spar."

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Cimz
Oct 9 2016, 03:31 PM
And his characterization of himself as too smart to pay taxes. Taxes are what put protective gear on our armed forces' backs and airlift them to hospitals, no?
Taxes are where we get the military budget as well as benefits for veterans.
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lysie
Oct 9 2016, 03:30 PM
Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 03:25 PM
frivolity
Oct 9 2016, 03:20 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep did not know the issues well - which is not surprising because all but very alternative channels of news media are nothing more than propaganda machines that really serve both the Republicans AND Democrats, who are just opposite sides of the corporate, imperialist coin (one side of which is more sensitive to social identity issues).

These Veterans for Peace were well-intended, young, poor and/or vulnerable when they enlisted. They were preyed upon in many emotionally manipulative ways (as we all are everyday via endless "news" and advertising), or simply because they needed financial and educational opportunities they could not have otherwise had. After their experiences in combat and within the military, and most importantly, after educating themselves about history and current affairs, they totally changed their tune.
I personally know military members and I can assure you they know the issues well. You can continue to believe they are stupid and taken advantage of if it makes you feel better.
All military members, like the rest of the population, are not the same. My brother was in the military and he's an absolute moron who is definitely uneducated and certainly knows nothing about any issues.
So assuming they are all taken advantage of and stupid is okay? Those were the accusations I responded to. They deserve better than that attitude. Everyone does.
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Oct 9 2016, 03:15 PM
trojangal
Oct 9 2016, 03:03 PM
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Oct 9 2016, 02:55 PM

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Trump 's comments disrespected all that Senator John McCain went through as a POW.
My maternal grandfather was an army doctor & a POW during WW2, so I took it to heart.
Not sure Trump would be an advocate for our Vets & Military families

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Hillary isn't any better. Benghazi happened on her watch.
As well as on a republican majority congress that wouldn't fund better security.
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Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 03:02 PM
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Oct 9 2016, 02:53 PM
Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 02:26 PM

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You weren't replying to me, but I don't think they're stupid. I do think they are courted very purposefully and very specifically by politicians who take extreme advantage of their patriotism, and consider fear a valuable recruitment tool. Optimists always say there's nothing more compelling than hope. I think it's fear, and I think the large majority of the establishment GOP knows it, and uses it without remorse. When you're being targeted that heavily, being told what you fear the most is sitting on the other side of the aisle in your very own country (whether it's true or not) I don't blame anyone at all for flocking to the candidate who is crying wolf. Who wants to take the chance? I'm well aware there's nothing factual in what I just said, but I wholeheartedly believe it to be true, and is one the very most fundamental reasons I just cannot fathom affiliating myself with the Republican Party. At least not in it's current state. Fear tactics disgust me, they're manipulative and harmfully divisive in ways I just cannot abide.

Just my opinion.
I whole heartily disagree. They are not being taking advantage of and know the issues very well. That sort of sentiment doesn't give them any credit and sort of says they have no brains. Just because someone thinks very differently from you doesn't mean they are being taking advantage of. I can give examples of the Democratic Party using fear tactics targeted towards various groups, but I'm going to be respectful enough of their own minds not to suggest they are being duped.
Sorry, but I really think most of us are being duped in some way or other. Both sides. All the time. I include myself in that. How can we vote for someone NOT based on what they're telling us? Our country is enormous. Our politicians are expected to govern over insane amounts of people. A vast majority of the public is not going to have even a fraction of the knowledge a high-level politician has, because to be that informed, it would have to be our career. But we can't all be politicians, there are other jobs to do, and we have to rely on the information made available to us make our decisions. It has nothing at all to do with certain people being less smart than others. I'm a liberal, and I'm well aware that there are people sitting in campaign rooms formulating the best way to frame every peice of information just exactly the right way in order to mobilize me enough to vote against the other side. And it obviously works on me. What else am I supposed to do?

All I'm saying, is that fear is powerful, to everyone, and I feel strongly that's it's used on purpose, in a targeted way. That's it. It doesn't mean everyone that responds to that particular tactic is stupid or that they aren't capable of formulating their own opinions.
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Anyway, this works fine. Honey, you look horrific.

Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 03:15 PM
trojangal
Oct 9 2016, 03:03 PM
Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 02:55 PM

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Trump 's comments disrespected all that Senator John McCain went through as a POW.
My maternal grandfather was an army doctor & a POW during WW2, so I took it to heart.
Not sure Trump would be an advocate for our Vets & Military families

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Hillary isn't any better. Benghazi happened on her watch.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_U.S._diplomatic_facilities

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Cimz


On a lighter note, practically the first thing Ari did was explain how to pronounce her name.

The media should have asked soap fans! We already knew.
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Benghazi has been investigated 8 times,by republicans and each time reached same results,NOTHING showing fault on her part and even family of one of the men killed said Hillary is not to blame and she is beyond pissed that the GOP keep using her son's death as a political prop.
Edited by Snowing Fan, Oct 9 2016, 03:40 PM.
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Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 03:33 PM
lysie
Oct 9 2016, 03:30 PM
Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 03:25 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep did not know the issues well
All military members, like the rest of the population, are not the same. My brother was in the military and he's an absolute moron who is definitely uneducated and certainly knows nothing about any issues.
So assuming they are all taken advantage of and stupid is okay? Those were the accusations I responded to. They deserve better than that attitude. Everyone does.
Despite you saying in a recent post that you wouldn't make those kinds of generalizations, you were making those kinds of generalizations earlier, too. Both are generalizations. Both are inaccurate. I didn't read the one you were responding to in quite the same way you did, so yours is the one I responded to. :shrug:
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Oct 9 2016, 03:25 PM
Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 02:27 PM
lysie
Oct 9 2016, 02:25 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/affidavit122398.htmWhat happened to believing in the victim?
Doesn't change the other women.
How sad is it for your country that of a population of however many millions the ones who manage to make it to the top of the leadership scrabble pile are someone objectionable or married to someone who is objectionable.

It is sad & frustrating but I can understand why people wouldn't want to put themselves & their families through
the political process after.
Look at Sen.Cruz & how his wife & his father were attacked by Trump
Michelle Obama was criticized by some for her looks & ridiculed for her interest in
promoting healthy eating.
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Ted Cruz asked earlier today,if they've had this tape for 11 years why wait till now,he's been running for over a year.
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Inara Serra
Oct 9 2016, 03:37 PM
Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 03:15 PM
trojangal
Oct 9 2016, 03:03 PM

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Hillary isn't any better. Benghazi happened on her watch.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_U.S._diplomatic_facilities

I don't need a link to read about Benghazi. I followed it the day it happened and read about it afterwards. I know what I'm talking about. Just because I'm a Republican doesn't mean I'm dumb. I'm not going to see things your way.
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lysie
Oct 9 2016, 03:40 PM
Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 03:33 PM
lysie
Oct 9 2016, 03:30 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep did not know the issues well
So assuming they are all taken advantage of and stupid is okay? Those were the accusations I responded to. They deserve better than that attitude. Everyone does.
Despite you saying in a recent post that you wouldn't make those kinds of generalizations, you were making those kinds of generalizations earlier, too. Both are generalizations. Both are inaccurate. I didn't read the one you were responding to in quite the same way you did, so yours is the one I responded to. :shrug:
Sure.
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Oct 9 2016, 03:41 PM
Inara Serra
Oct 9 2016, 03:37 PM
Restless84
Oct 9 2016, 03:15 PM

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_U.S._diplomatic_facilities

I don't need a link to read about Benghazi. I followed it the day it happened and read about it afterwards. I know what I'm talking about. Just because I'm a Republican doesn't mean I'm dumb. I'm not going to see things your way.
That's not a link about Benghazi.
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