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| Tuesday, October 11th Episode Discussion | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 10 2016, 05:57 PM (11,026 Views) | |
| Rosebud | Oct 11 2016, 11:47 PM Post #261 |
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That whole thing was so after school special. Especially Paul's little kumbaya speech. It kills me to see Orpheus being destroyed now. He's been doing such anti-Orpheus stuff, it's depressing. I keep hoping it will get better and I won't regret his return from the dead, but it's not looking good unfortunately. |
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| DaysBopeLuv | Oct 11 2016, 11:59 PM Post #262 |
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It's really sad because I remember I was looking forward to his and the other villains returns, was actually excited about the prospect of Orpheus' revenge, but my excitement has since dwindled :sadwalk: |
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| DaysBopeLuv | Oct 12 2016, 12:03 AM Post #263 |
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Ironic that during the Sony/Chad/Gabi/Paul confrontation/reconciliation they mention being adults and yet they were all acting like high school kids to me. |
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| Hugo | Oct 12 2016, 01:08 AM Post #264 |
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I'm happy Chad and Sonny have reconciled but since the fight was so short it seemed pointless. About PaulSon, it still feels to me that the writers are stalling for no reason. I hope we don't have 3 more months of that, or 6. I wish Sonny could confide in someone about everything he's feeling about Will and Paul so we could understand why he's acting all flirty with Paul and then snaps at him. I would also like to hear Paul's intentions, is he hoping they get back together and is he okay with being his friend. Other than that, I love seeing Lucas and I'm glad he talked about Allie. Maybe she can come back and date Steve and Ava's son since since Theo is already in a love triangle. |
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| HoritaFan | Oct 12 2016, 02:30 AM Post #265 |
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Its not the SL Its them. Its just that its glaringly obvious now without a 3rd (Will or even the bellboy) to make them interesting. Which is prob'ly why they're bringing the bellboy back. He's just eyecandy, but still. Obviously, PaulSon need something. Maybe they'll finally wise up and bring Will back. And making Sonny more of a Kiriakis (if that's what they're doing) isn't working. It's unbelievable at best and laughable at worst. Its easy: (I think I mentioned this before) They were making a movie about Sami's life. The actor who was playing Will in that movie is the guy who returned to Salem. The real Will is alive & well with Sami (explains why she cared more abut going after EJ than mourning her "dead" son). Or maybe he's with Cari & Austin. Whatever. I don't even care which Will they bring back or even a new one. Just admit you screwed up and fix it already!! Edited by HoritaFan, Oct 12 2016, 02:39 AM.
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| thepadange | Oct 12 2016, 02:36 AM Post #266 |
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I always thought that's what they were planning to do since they mentioned the gene all those months ago. Edited by thepadange, Oct 12 2016, 02:38 AM.
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| anzu | Oct 12 2016, 03:03 AM Post #267 |
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Whoops wish I could double quote but don't actually know how to do that. I think it would be avoiding the elephant in the room... except they've already had this conversation. More than once. Sonny has reassured Paul about this more than once. At this point, Paul keeps leading the elephant into the room. In that moment and the way Paul was leading the conversation, I would have blown up on him too. Paul has said Will's name before to Sonny, more than once, in the same context, and didn't get blown up on. But today was not the day and Paul bringing up his guilt was pointless, not only because they've had this discussion already, not only because Sonny has enough guilt and grief of his own to deal with without reassuring Paul again about something they already discussed, but also because... it's not like his guilt is hindering hm from going after Sonny so like... I don't much care? I think Sonny resents the whole situation and resents Will cheating with Paul, as he said before he left, but I think he blames himself 4000x more than he blames Paul for Will actually dying. |
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| laurondo | Oct 12 2016, 04:10 AM Post #268 |
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Me too. Not only has Sonny reassured Paul numerous times, but Idk why Paul's mind even WENT to, "Oh, I can't even say his name because you still blame me." No, he's upset because it's literally the anniversary of the man's death. Edited by laurondo, Oct 12 2016, 04:11 AM.
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| darrell66 | Oct 12 2016, 04:29 AM Post #269 |
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This is exactly what should be happening. The show doesn't seem to be interested in exploring all the different angles for Paulson. There's enough drama between them that could create weeks and months of storyline. All the writers need to do is to think logically. I mean sure Sonny keeps saying he don't blame Paul and perhaps that's true. But who knows deep down maybe there is a part of Sonny who blames Paul but more importantly Sonny blames himself. For perhaps the real reason why Sonny is so hesitated at allowing himself to be romantically involved with Paul is that Sonny feels he would betraying the memory of his husband? That would make complete sense. As Paul said, Sonny has this idea of right and wrong, and in Sonny's mind the idea of him allowing himself to become involved with the man his husband fought so hard against, would be wrong in Sonny's eyes despite his longing for Paul. That certainly would explain Sonny's capability at flirting with Paul on one hand and the very next hand he's snapping at him. But for the audience to see and understand that we need to see and understand the inner conflict that's driving Sonny's emotions. We should be seeing Sonny pouring out his inner thoughts to friends or perhaps even his family. I mean when was the last time Sonny had a deep, revealing talk with his mother? As for Paul it is tiresome hearing him talking about his guilt over and over again. But then again it's always done on a superficial level. The moment Sonny tells him he doesn't blame him, Paul drops it at that moment, only to bring it back up when they see each other again. Perhaps it's time for Paul to be more forceful. When he brings up again instead of simply letting it go when Sonny says he doesn't blame him, Paul should ask him, "Well why don't you?" which is actually a very good question to ask, and when Sonny tries giving him a weak answer, Paul says, "Not good enough. There's more to it, Sonny I wanna hear it." Intellectually Sonny may not blame him, but emotionally it could be a totally different picture and that needs to be played out in all the bad, good and everything in between. Because if Sonny is allowed to show his anger, guilt and pain towards Paul over Will perhaps that could began the healing process for Sonny as well as the start of Sonny being more comfortable at allowing his feelings for Paul to blossom. Or perhaps Paul may decide it's truly best they remain friends and move on. But for some strange reason the show doesn't seem to be interested in developing this Paulson romance with any real depth or character-driven drama and that's wrong. In order for us to get invested in Paulson, the show need to create the human conflict and emotion that's needed for any romance. And the sad thing is that it's all there: the characters, the complex history, the chemistry. It's all there. It's just that show doesn't seem to know what to do with it. :shrug: |
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| Evie | Oct 12 2016, 05:19 AM Post #270 |
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I totally agree. Freddie is terrible this time around. His acting is awful. |
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| Mirage75 | Oct 12 2016, 05:45 AM Post #271 |
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Yesterday's show was sucked. There was nothing interesting. I hate that Adrienne is stuck in this hell in DiMera mansion crap. I was okay with Sonny and Chad not being friends- hate that didn't last long. Hope still sucks and so do her idiot men- chasing her skanky ass. Can all three just go away?!!! |
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| Hugo | Oct 12 2016, 06:32 AM Post #272 |
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Welcome to the board! Paul and Sonny have had deep conversations under TomSell but it was mostly about their past. When they were talking about the present, Paul was open about his feelings for Sonny and would sometimes question him but Sonny could never give him clear answers other than "I'm married". Now it's almost worse because Paul feels like he can't be open and ask him questions anymore. It makes sense but it's frustrating to watch. There's very little progression. They have cute moments when they make small talk but as soon as it gets serious, it's dismissed and the scene ends abruptly. The writers could at least let them have those deep conversations with other people if they can't have them together. Apparently there will be a breakthrough soon but I have a feeling this awkward dance will continue for a while. I think maybe the writers were hesitant with this storyline because they didn't know if Christopher would stay on the show or not. His initial contract was up in June and what we are watching now was taped in early May. That means this storyline probably won't progress much on screen until late November. |
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| jennmarie | Oct 12 2016, 06:34 AM Post #273 |
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This was an overall boring episode I think. I liked Sonny/Chad/Gabi. I thought they had a good dynamic. Although it was silly for them to be doing that in the middle of what is supposed to be a threat to Salem. That scene another time though would have been good. I just don't think that needs to be the end of the K/D feud though. I think Chad and Gabi would have been good together and much better than JJ/Gabi. She has more fire with Chad and with JJ she is just really boring. But I think that was the only scene I really enjoyed. I love Adrienne, but today with Lucas was not good. I like both of these characters, but them in story together is a fail for me. Adrienne should be with Justin and Lucas needs some other love interest. I did appreciate the Ali reference and just wish they would bring her back to live with her father. But I would also like Sydney and Johnny back as well - NOT SORASED! And also they had to ruin my enjoyment of Jennifer by putting her in scenes with Hope. I can appreciate that they are family and should be in scenes together, but since I can't stand Hope I need Jennifer far away from her in an interesting story of her own! Edited by jennmarie, Oct 12 2016, 06:35 AM.
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| Tammy | Oct 12 2016, 07:13 AM Post #274 |
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One thing I can say about Orpheus... he makes me laugh. "I can see it now, you shoot your way into the Dimera compound... pistol in one hand nappies in the other!" |
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| anzu | Oct 12 2016, 07:17 AM Post #275 |
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You know, even though they haven't had a deep convo in awhile, I actually think Sonny has been the most straight-forward he's ever been about the whole situation since he's been back. When he came to check on Paul, and Paul questioned him about what was actually going on between them, he, surprisingly, actually answered him finally. Granted, I didn't like the answer :blulaugh: and had like 5 follow-up questions and then he went all creepy angry on Paul, but he answered. I don't know... there are definitely things Sonny does not want to be asked about but there are also things he is finally acknowledging. Baby steps I guess :shrug: Maybe Paul should stop phrasing his questions as rhetorical assumptions about what Sonny is thinking and just ask what he's thinking in the moment more. It probably would have been a waste of time during the triangle of denial (see every conversation Sonny had during the triangle), but maybe it would work better now, who knows. Paul kind of starts a lot of their Paulson convos with, "Look, I know you/we" and I always think to myself... do you know? That being said, I'm somewhat impatient and kind of just want Sonny to go for it but I have to remind myself it's only just been a year. I'm less bothered by waiting and more bothered by how the writers use the time. Like, if Paul's guilt is going to be a thing, make it a thing. Make Paul hesitant because of it. Make someone else accuse Paul of bearing responsibility (hello Kate). Make Sonny actually say it/feel this way. Do something with it or let it go because at this point, it just feels like Paul trying to find something to say to keep talking to him. |
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| Cimz | Oct 12 2016, 08:06 AM Post #276 |
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And Xander's reaction shot made it even better. |
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| GoneGirl | Oct 12 2016, 09:53 AM Post #277 |
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Paul and Gabi sounded stupid and childish and they talked about things that didn't happen for her (Chad and Sonny grieving Abby and Will together) and things he wasn't even around to witness for him (Chad and Sonny opening TBD.) Orpheus is my biggest disappointment. At least i never understood the hype over Xander or Clyde, so them being boring failures is not shocking to me. |
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| DesignatedShelley | Oct 12 2016, 06:32 PM Post #278 |
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I liked that Paul and Gabi brought up Will and Abby today with Chad and Sonny. I kind of get the feeling that it's going to go back and forth with Chad and Sonny's friendship. I should have known that Jennifer wouldn't even bring up confessing to Hope. Disappointed. Also disappointed that Hope didn't fight harder to keep Jennifer from getting involved though. Also pretty bummed that Jennifer hasn't been involved once with the Clyde stuff. I know it's been hard to involve Lucas and Adrienne with the cast and this is one way to do that, whereas Jennifer has Hope and Hope really only has her and Stayla (and Caroline wherever she is). But after her going to such lengths this summer supposedly on Thomas' behalf, it feels off. I do like how we're seeing the effects of the prison break on the town more consistently than the effects of the necktie killer last year. And I also like the conversations about children between the villains (well, Clyde and Orpheus). But I wish the plot was a little more interesting. Edited by DesignatedShelley, Oct 12 2016, 06:44 PM.
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| Sindacco | Oct 13 2016, 12:55 AM Post #279 |
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I really enjoyed the Clyde and Andre scenes. LOL at Clyde threatening to throw Andre's ass into the river. |
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| Sindacco | Oct 13 2016, 12:56 AM Post #280 |
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That was the last year I liked him. |
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