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Spoilers for the week of October 31st; Updated
Topic Started: Oct 21 2016, 11:21 PM (41,268 Views)
sonnyfan
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Lovejm
Oct 22 2016, 12:15 PM
Supergirlx2
Oct 22 2016, 12:11 PM
Lovejm
Oct 22 2016, 12:00 PM

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You would think that she would still have the ability to make her own decisions, but we haven't seen Hope written as strong & independent since she got stuck in her Rope bubble after shooting Stefano. The few times we saw Hope want to go and confess, it was quickly followed up by Rafe explaining why she can't do that and Hope giving in & saying that he's right.
Hope has been written in a way that make it appear as though she really can't function without Rafe. TPTB didn't even allow Steve to give Hope a supportive hand after Bo's death. Everything was centered around Rafe and Hope spending as much airtime together as possible to push the ultimate agenda of having them be a couple.
I just don't think we can excuse away her decision making as some sort of agenda Rafe had. Not to mention the fact she's also been a horrible mother. And that's solely on her.
I agree with not completely excusing, I just need Rafe, off the force, and in jail too.
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sonnyfan
Oct 22 2016, 12:18 PM
Lovejm
Oct 22 2016, 12:15 PM
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Oct 22 2016, 12:11 PM

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I just don't think we can excuse away her decision making as some sort of agenda Rafe had. Not to mention the fact she's also been a horrible mother. And that's solely on her.
I agree with not completely excusing, I just need Rafe, off the force, and in jail too.
Roman too.
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lysie
Oct 22 2016, 12:10 PM
Hamilton
Oct 22 2016, 11:58 AM
lysie
Oct 22 2016, 11:52 AM
I just don't feel like there's any chance at all that everyone isn't all oh poor Hope about this. And I totally agree that that's the reaction that would have made sense in 2010. Not now. She actually wasn't at fault back then when people lined up to yell at her.
I'm just glad Ryan and Dena are bringing it out and movin on. Hope killing Stefano in the manner that she did was an atrocious decision. Beyond stupid because of all the crappy story that followed that move. So yes, deal with it and put it in the past. I don't need to see more story thrown on bad to drag it out either. Wrap it up.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's getting dragged out.
Lol I know, wishful thinking on my part. Still I'm glad that they haven't wasted time in bringing it out and are dealing with it. Much like the Aiden situation, it's dragged on for far too long. They sent him on his way and now can throw some conclusion to this too.
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I'm done with Hope, I'm completely indifferent to her now. I don't need to see her pay for Stefano's murder, I don't need to see her being forgiven by everyone, I don't need to see her period. I just want to enjoy the stories on the show that don't involve her.
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Hugo
Oct 22 2016, 12:31 PM
I'm done with Hope, I'm completely indifferent to her now. I don't need to see her pay for Stefano's murder, I don't need to see her being forgiven by everyone, I don't need to see her period. I just want to enjoy the stories on the show that don't involve her.
There needs to be more stories that DON'T involve her
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Hugo
Oct 22 2016, 12:31 PM
I'm done with Hope, I'm completely indifferent to her now. I don't need to see her pay for Stefano's murder, I don't need to see her being forgiven by everyone, I don't need to see her period. I just want to enjoy the stories on the show that don't involve her.
I hate Hope and I need her to pay for Stefano's murder and cover up. Roman and Rafe need to face consequences, too. I want Rope backburnered for a long time.

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sonnyfan
Oct 22 2016, 12:34 PM
Hugo
Oct 22 2016, 12:31 PM
I'm done with Hope, I'm completely indifferent to her now. I don't need to see her pay for Stefano's murder, I don't need to see her being forgiven by everyone, I don't need to see her period. I just want to enjoy the stories on the show that don't involve her.
There needs to be more stories that DON'T involve her
She's no longer the center of the show, that's a good start.
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Hugo
Oct 22 2016, 12:47 PM
sonnyfan
Oct 22 2016, 12:34 PM
Hugo
Oct 22 2016, 12:31 PM
I'm done with Hope, I'm completely indifferent to her now. I don't need to see her pay for Stefano's murder, I don't need to see her being forgiven by everyone, I don't need to see her period. I just want to enjoy the stories on the show that don't involve her.
There needs to be more stories that DON'T involve her
She's no longer the center of the show, that's a good start.
Really? She hasn't been with the villain story but that's just about over.

She's getting a big sweeps reveal. A trial. And on screen jail time. And probably half the town trying to get her out of jail. She'll be the center of the show.
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I don't care if Hope is with Aiden, with Rafe or with a purple elephant she needs
to go to jail Off - screen ! She can take Rafe & Roman with her .
Meanwhile let some others have her airtime .
Hope = zzzzzz in my opinion !!
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Kriss4


I like some of these decisions. I've often thought that one reason Adrienne doesn't get written for is because she has no role to play in stories outside of her role as a mom or whatever's going on in her relationships.

This cuts down on possibilities for her in wider stories. Hope is a detective. Kayla is a doctor. There's often a role for characters that have those jobs. Bringing Adrienne in as a businesswoman with a share of ownership in a paper in Salem we're all familiar with...her brother's former paper...sharing a business with her sister-in-law? Potential there. And the fact that Justin's reacting is good too. He might think he needs to help, which brings them back into proximity with each other.

Kayla and Marlena in jeopardy together? That could be good. Maybe they can rescue themselves.
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Why can't Jen or Kayla get a decent story ? I hope the Spectator stuff is on more than
1 x a week
Edited by trojangal, Oct 22 2016, 01:09 PM.
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Hugo
Oct 22 2016, 12:47 PM
sonnyfan
Oct 22 2016, 12:34 PM
Hugo
Oct 22 2016, 12:31 PM
I'm done with Hope, I'm completely indifferent to her now. I don't need to see her pay for Stefano's murder, I don't need to see her being forgiven by everyone, I don't need to see her period. I just want to enjoy the stories on the show that don't involve her.
There needs to be more stories that DON'T involve her
She's no longer the center of the show, that's a good start.
Her new storylines are only just starting :soapbox:
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trojangal
Oct 22 2016, 01:08 PM
Why can't Jen or Kayla get a decent story ? I hope the Spectator stuff is on more than
1 x a week
Honestly given the best that Dena can do, the Spectator being seen for max once or twice a week might be a blessing in disguise.
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I need for Hope, Roman and Rafe to all three lose their damn jobs and rot in jail. I'm sure the idiot people in Salem will feel sorry for her and comfort her. I'm so over Hope and her crap. Bo was the only one that made her interesting at times. She's just useless.

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Oct 22 2016, 01:18 PM
trojangal
Oct 22 2016, 01:08 PM
Why can't Jen or Kayla get a decent story ? I hope the Spectator stuff is on more than
1 x a week
Honestly given the best that Dena can do, the Spectator being seen for max once or twice a week might be a blessing in disguise.
for some reason I heard blessing in disguise and this comment sprang to mind about Sophia Petrillo responding to the comment of "blessing in disguise".

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Lovejm
Oct 22 2016, 12:53 PM
Hugo
Oct 22 2016, 12:47 PM
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Oct 22 2016, 12:34 PM

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She's no longer the center of the show, that's a good start.
Really? She hasn't been with the villain story but that's just about over.

She's getting a big sweeps reveal. A trial. And on screen jail time. And probably half the town trying to get her out of jail. She'll be the center of the show.
I have a feeling she won't be but maybe I'm wrong. There's a lot of other stuff going on.
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Hugo
Oct 22 2016, 12:31 PM
I'm done with Hope, I'm completely indifferent to her now. I don't need to see her pay for Stefano's murder, I don't need to see her being forgiven by everyone, I don't need to see her period. I just want to enjoy the stories on the show that don't involve her.
So are we shipping "Hisen" now? (Hope + prison)
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Oct 22 2016, 02:08 PM
Hugo
Oct 22 2016, 12:31 PM
I'm done with Hope, I'm completely indifferent to her now. I don't need to see her pay for Stefano's murder, I don't need to see her being forgiven by everyone, I don't need to see her period. I just want to enjoy the stories on the show that don't involve her.
So are we shipping "Hisen" now? (Hope + prison)
I am as much as

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Oct 22 2016, 12:11 PM
Lovejm
Oct 22 2016, 12:00 PM
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Oct 22 2016, 11:57 AM

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No. Hope's an adult. She isn't Rafe's puppet. Unless he's been drugging her she should still have the ability to make her own decision.
You would think that she would still have the ability to make her own decisions, but we haven't seen Hope written as strong & independent since she got stuck in her Rope bubble after shooting Stefano. The few times we saw Hope want to go and confess, it was quickly followed up by Rafe explaining why she can't do that and Hope giving in & saying that he's right.
Hope has been written in a way that make it appear as though she really can't function without Rafe. TPTB didn't even allow Steve to give Hope a supportive hand after Bo's death. Everything was centered around Rafe and Hope spending as much airtime together as possible to push the ultimate agenda of having them be a couple.
The writing may have made Hope seem weak and dependent on Rafe, but that still reflects more poorly on Hope than on Rafe. If she truly wanted to confess and chose to let Rafe talk her out of it, then she's still making a choice to let him influence her decisions. She's not being drugged or blackmailed by him. She's a grown woman fully capable of making her own decisions.

It's entirely possible to believe Rafe was wrong and still believe Hope is responsible for her own actions. I hope they both go down for what happened, but the last thing I want is Hope trying to claim that it was really all Rafe's fault. Because it wasn't. And Hope blaming him would just make her look worse than she already does.
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Lovejm
Oct 22 2016, 11:37 AM
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Oct 22 2016, 10:53 AM
The only thing I hate about the Stefano reveal is it'll probably have Chad trusting Andre even more. :rolleyes:
Right and that the 'good guys' can't be trusted any more than he can.
I had been looking forward to Chad ripping Hope after she lied to his face. I'm not sure how much I'm looking forward to it currently the way they are writing Chad. I wish he would go rip Shady Hills to pieces and sue.
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