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Spoilers for the week of October 31st; Updated
Topic Started: Oct 21 2016, 11:21 PM (41,266 Views)
Kriss4


Thing is, though. I don't hate Hope at all. I'm disappointed in her actions after Stefano was killed. That's allowed.


I loved the way she stuck by Jen this week when Jen was strapped to the bomb. Good stuff right there!

But I will never love her response after Stefano died. I will not love the choices she made. And yes, I think she needs to pay a price, along with Rafe and Roman, for what happened. Not forever. But something. Not because it happened...because of the cover-up and the frame.
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janem
Oct 22 2016, 09:34 PM
Honestly, I have wanted to jump in here (and other threads) for some time, but kept biting my tongue.....or keyboard, I guess. I don't think I have ever experienced elsewhere all the hate and negativity expressed on this board about every character, storyline, etc. Truly is depressing, and a turnoff.
So, will just say this. If I remember right, Hope shot Stefano, who was goading her to do so, in a moment of really, not being herself. And though Rafe happened to arrive at that moment, he understood, was sympathetic, and, as a FRIEND, tried to help her hide the fact.
Stefano DiMera should have been jailed and put to death long ago for all his crimes he committed against various citizens of Salem. Going back years. Yep, was not right. Neither was all Stefano did, Andre did, Ej did.........all of it. No outrage here against all that, huh?
None of the DiMeras suffered, did they? Ever?
Truly boggles the mind the hatred expressed for Hope. She did confess to the Commissioner, didn't she. He decided to not do a thing. His decision.
And Andre? Is he so bleachy clean that spending a few days in jail hurt him? He should have had the electric chair. But then, some lowlife decided he would love a big payback after spending a few months in jail, so confessed. LOL...
How many times has Stefano escaped punishment for his actions? How many times has he terrorized citizens of Salem? How about we put Hope in jail and resurect Stefano, or pardon him, Andre, EJ?

And you crucify Rafe for being a loyal friend. Interesting. Yep, he should have arrested her on the spot. Despite loving her, assuring Bo he would honor Bo's request to look after her, etc. Yep. let's rid the force of the evil Hope, the demon Rafe, and rely on the comatose rookie, JJ, , plus the rest of the ineffectual Salem P.D. headed up by Roman.
Oh, almost forgot, Roman has to be hung out to dry, too. So, gee, who is left in the P.D. ?

While I know this is a soap, and thus, soapy events go on, it is disheartening to constantly see, in so many threads here, all the hatred & negativity.
Yep, expect to get jumped on now. Par for the course here. I do see that those with positive comments are hesitant to post them, because of the constant negative
It's even more frustrating for someone to come in and wrongly summarize our opinions. You're more than welcome to come in and give a different opinion. Please don't try to restate ours. That's fine for you if you saw those scenes that way, but all of us didn't. And not all of us are just giant Hope haters just because we don't see things the same as you. If you'd leave your posts to be about the show and its characters and its actors, there'd be no reason to bite your tongue at all. Disagreeing and different opinions aren't a problem.
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janem
Oct 22 2016, 09:34 PM
Honestly, I have wanted to jump in here (and other threads) for some time, but kept biting my tongue.....or keyboard, I guess. I don't think I have ever experienced elsewhere all the hate and negativity expressed on this board about every character, storyline, etc. Truly is depressing, and a turnoff.
So, will just say this. If I remember right, Hope shot Stefano, who was goading her to do so, in a moment of really, not being herself. And though Rafe happened to arrive at that moment, he understood, was sympathetic, and, as a FRIEND, tried to help her hide the fact.
Stefano DiMera should have been jailed and put to death long ago for all his crimes he committed against various citizens of Salem. Going back years. Yep, was not right. Neither was all Stefano did, Andre did, Ej did.........all of it. No outrage here against all that, huh?
None of the DiMeras suffered, did they? Ever?
Truly boggles the mind the hatred expressed for Hope. She did confess to the Commissioner, didn't she. He decided to not do a thing. His decision.
And Andre? Is he so bleachy clean that spending a few days in jail hurt him? He should have had the electric chair. But then, some lowlife decided he would love a big payback after spending a few months in jail, so confessed. LOL...
How many times has Stefano escaped punishment for his actions? How many times has he terrorized citizens of Salem? How about we put Hope in jail and resurect Stefano, or pardon him, Andre, EJ?

And you crucify Rafe for being a loyal friend. Interesting. Yep, he should have arrested her on the spot. Despite loving her, assuring Bo he would honor Bo's request to look after her, etc. Yep. let's rid the force of the evil Hope, the demon Rafe, and rely on the comatose rookie, JJ, , plus the rest of the ineffectual Salem P.D. headed up by Roman.
Oh, almost forgot, Roman has to be hung out to dry, too. So, gee, who is left in the P.D. ?

While I know this is a soap, and thus, soapy events go on, it is disheartening to constantly see, in so many threads here, all the hatred & negativity.
Yep, expect to get jumped on now. Par for the course here. I do see that those with positive comments are hesitant to post them, because of the constant negative
I agree with the bolded part, LOL!!

I agree with the posters that said, in a bad emotional state, Hope snapped..but so did Gabi. Stefano was a bad guy, but cops taking the law into their own hands is wretched.

Andre didn't spend a few days in jail, it was longer than that...and him and Stefano's past crimes are only relevant if they are being attacked for those crimes, IMO.

Hope snapped and in a fit of, out of her head, she shot an unarmed man in a wheel chair, but she was clear in mind after that and Rafe didn't just cover to protect Rafe, he connived, he conspired, he falsified evidence, he disturbed a crime scene....and countless other crimes. He was removed from the police force when he helped Gabi for a lot less.

And I'm not a Hope hater, I am a Rope hater, and have no more need for Rafe Hernandez...Hope needs less screen time and maybe some character rebuilder.

The Commissioner doesn't have to the right to not go further than that, that's up to the DA.

JJ is not comatose, he came out of his coma on friday saying "I'm sorry Gabi". And... Shawn is coming back soon, isn't Lani also??
Edited by sonnyfan, Oct 22 2016, 10:11 PM.
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janem
Oct 22 2016, 09:34 PM
Honestly, I have wanted to jump in here (and other threads) for some time, but kept biting my tongue.....or keyboard, I guess. I don't think I have ever experienced elsewhere all the hate and negativity expressed on this board about every character, storyline, etc. Truly is depressing, and a turnoff.
So, will just say this. If I remember right, Hope shot Stefano, who was goading her to do so, in a moment of really, not being herself. And though Rafe happened to arrive at that moment, he understood, was sympathetic, and, as a FRIEND, tried to help her hide the fact.
Stefano DiMera should have been jailed and put to death long ago for all his crimes he committed against various citizens of Salem. Going back years. Yep, was not right. Neither was all Stefano did, Andre did, Ej did.........all of it. No outrage here against all that, huh?
None of the DiMeras suffered, did they? Ever?
Truly boggles the mind the hatred expressed for Hope. She did confess to the Commissioner, didn't she. He decided to not do a thing. His decision.
And Andre? Is he so bleachy clean that spending a few days in jail hurt him? He should have had the electric chair. But then, some lowlife decided he would love a big payback after spending a few months in jail, so confessed. LOL...
How many times has Stefano escaped punishment for his actions? How many times has he terrorized citizens of Salem? How about we put Hope in jail and resurect Stefano, or pardon him, Andre, EJ?

And you crucify Rafe for being a loyal friend. Interesting. Yep, he should have arrested her on the spot. Despite loving her, assuring Bo he would honor Bo's request to look after her, etc. Yep. let's rid the force of the evil Hope, the demon Rafe, and rely on the comatose rookie, JJ, , plus the rest of the ineffectual Salem P.D. headed up by Roman.
Oh, almost forgot, Roman has to be hung out to dry, too. So, gee, who is left in the P.D. ?

While I know this is a soap, and thus, soapy events go on, it is disheartening to constantly see, in so many threads here, all the hatred & negativity.
Yep, expect to get jumped on now. Par for the course here. I do see that those with positive comments are hesitant to post them, because of the constant negative
I don't understand why it's a bad thing to want to see even the "good guys" get punished for their crimes. You can't just go and kill someone, cover it up, and everything's fine and dandy.

If Hope wasn't herself during the time she got Stefano, she could've pleaded temporary insanity and gotten away free. Instead they covered it up, lol
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laurondo
Oct 22 2016, 10:14 PM
janem
Oct 22 2016, 09:34 PM
Honestly, I have wanted to jump in here (and other threads) for some time, but kept biting my tongue.....or keyboard, I guess. I don't think I have ever experienced elsewhere all the hate and negativity expressed on this board about every character, storyline, etc. Truly is depressing, and a turnoff.
So, will just say this. If I remember right, Hope shot Stefano, who was goading her to do so, in a moment of really, not being herself. And though Rafe happened to arrive at that moment, he understood, was sympathetic, and, as a FRIEND, tried to help her hide the fact.
Stefano DiMera should have been jailed and put to death long ago for all his crimes he committed against various citizens of Salem. Going back years. Yep, was not right. Neither was all Stefano did, Andre did, Ej did.........all of it. No outrage here against all that, huh?
None of the DiMeras suffered, did they? Ever?
Truly boggles the mind the hatred expressed for Hope. She did confess to the Commissioner, didn't she. He decided to not do a thing. His decision.
And Andre? Is he so bleachy clean that spending a few days in jail hurt him? He should have had the electric chair. But then, some lowlife decided he would love a big payback after spending a few months in jail, so confessed. LOL...
How many times has Stefano escaped punishment for his actions? How many times has he terrorized citizens of Salem? How about we put Hope in jail and resurect Stefano, or pardon him, Andre, EJ?

And you crucify Rafe for being a loyal friend. Interesting. Yep, he should have arrested her on the spot. Despite loving her, assuring Bo he would honor Bo's request to look after her, etc. Yep. let's rid the force of the evil Hope, the demon Rafe, and rely on the comatose rookie, JJ, , plus the rest of the ineffectual Salem P.D. headed up by Roman.
Oh, almost forgot, Roman has to be hung out to dry, too. So, gee, who is left in the P.D. ?

While I know this is a soap, and thus, soapy events go on, it is disheartening to constantly see, in so many threads here, all the hatred & negativity.
Yep, expect to get jumped on now. Par for the course here. I do see that those with positive comments are hesitant to post them, because of the constant negative
I don't understand why it's a bad thing to want to see even the "good guys" get punished for their crimes. You can't just go and kill someone, cover it up, and everything's fine and dandy.

If Hope wasn't herself during the time she got Stefano, she could've pleaded temporary insanity and gotten away free. Instead they covered it up, lol
she got away with it with Dr. Malcolm, who she didn't kill and perjured herself by saying she did.
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laurondo
Oct 22 2016, 10:14 PM
janem
Oct 22 2016, 09:34 PM
Honestly, I have wanted to jump in here (and other threads) for some time, but kept biting my tongue.....or keyboard, I guess. I don't think I have ever experienced elsewhere all the hate and negativity expressed on this board about every character, storyline, etc. Truly is depressing, and a turnoff.
So, will just say this. If I remember right, Hope shot Stefano, who was goading her to do so, in a moment of really, not being herself. And though Rafe happened to arrive at that moment, he understood, was sympathetic, and, as a FRIEND, tried to help her hide the fact.
Stefano DiMera should have been jailed and put to death long ago for all his crimes he committed against various citizens of Salem. Going back years. Yep, was not right. Neither was all Stefano did, Andre did, Ej did.........all of it. No outrage here against all that, huh?
None of the DiMeras suffered, did they? Ever?
Truly boggles the mind the hatred expressed for Hope. She did confess to the Commissioner, didn't she. He decided to not do a thing. His decision.
And Andre? Is he so bleachy clean that spending a few days in jail hurt him? He should have had the electric chair. But then, some lowlife decided he would love a big payback after spending a few months in jail, so confessed. LOL...
How many times has Stefano escaped punishment for his actions? How many times has he terrorized citizens of Salem? How about we put Hope in jail and resurect Stefano, or pardon him, Andre, EJ?

And you crucify Rafe for being a loyal friend. Interesting. Yep, he should have arrested her on the spot. Despite loving her, assuring Bo he would honor Bo's request to look after her, etc. Yep. let's rid the force of the evil Hope, the demon Rafe, and rely on the comatose rookie, JJ, , plus the rest of the ineffectual Salem P.D. headed up by Roman.
Oh, almost forgot, Roman has to be hung out to dry, too. So, gee, who is left in the P.D. ?

While I know this is a soap, and thus, soapy events go on, it is disheartening to constantly see, in so many threads here, all the hatred & negativity.
Yep, expect to get jumped on now. Par for the course here. I do see that those with positive comments are hesitant to post them, because of the constant negative
I don't understand why it's a bad thing to want to see even the "good guys" get punished for their crimes. You can't just go and kill someone, cover it up, and everything's fine and dandy.

If Hope wasn't herself during the time she got Stefano, she could've pleaded temporary insanity and gotten away free. Instead they covered it up, lol
That is the most frustrating part! Part of their plan was to have her plead guilty because of temporary insanity to a crime she didn't commit. She totally could have used that with Stefano instead.
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janem


What I was commenting on was the constant negativity and hatred expressed here for all the stories/characters. I realize that those who post here constantly may not view the threads as other non-frequent members might. but the fact is.......threads here are filled with "I hate this character, that one, that story is stupid, that should not have happened, so and so is not featured.............just constant negative.
Sometimes it makes one wonder why members here bother to watch, since they seem to hate everything about the show.

This site did not use to be this way......and trust me, I am not a big Hope fan. Never have been. But, if you feel that I have been wrongly "summarizing your opinions" which was not the case, and I did not do......heck, how many threads there state "I hate so and so, hate what so and so is doing, saying, etc."

However, since MY opinions are not the norm, and seem to be called to question.....sorry, I apologize for trying to point out a problem here. Don't you wonder why no differing opinions are posted?

Trust me, learned. Won't post.
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"Got Stefano"

....I meant "shot." Oops.
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janem
Oct 22 2016, 10:26 PM
What I was commenting on was the constant negativity and hatred expressed here for all the stories/characters. I realize that those who post here constantly may not view the threads as other non-frequent members might. but the fact is.......threads here are filled with "I hate this character, that one, that story is stupid, that should not have happened, so and so is not featured.............just constant negative.
Sometimes it makes one wonder why members here bother to watch, since they seem to hate everything about the show.

This site did not use to be this way......and trust me, I am not a big Hope fan. Never have been. But, if you feel that I have been wrongly "summarizing your opinions" which was not the case, and I did not do......heck, how many threads there state "I hate so and so, hate what so and so is doing, saying, etc."

However, since MY opinions are not the norm, and seem to be called to question.....sorry, I apologize for trying to point out a problem here. Don't you wonder why no differing opinions are posted?

Trust me, learned. Won't post.
Your opinions about the show are welcome. Your opinions about us are not. So either post about the show, or continue to bite your tongue.
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janem
Oct 22 2016, 10:26 PM
What I was commenting on was the constant negativity and hatred expressed here for all the stories/characters. I realize that those who post here constantly may not view the threads as other non-frequent members might. but the fact is.......threads here are filled with "I hate this character, that one, that story is stupid, that should not have happened, so and so is not featured.............just constant negative.
Sometimes it makes one wonder why members here bother to watch, since they seem to hate everything about the show.

This site did not use to be this way......and trust me, I am not a big Hope fan. Never have been. But, if you feel that I have been wrongly "summarizing your opinions" which was not the case, and I did not do......heck, how many threads there state "I hate so and so, hate what so and so is doing, saying, etc."

I see positive posts mixed in with the negative. I've been venting a lot lately about some things because they annoy me and it helps me to get it off my chest, lol. I think being frustrated about a story, a character, etc, is a normal part of soap fandom.
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Killing someone for past crimes they've committed, regardless of her mental state at the time is not a worthy excuse. Hope isn't God, she isn't judge and jury. Yes, Rafe as a cop SHOULD have arrested her. It's his job. They could have developed her defense later. His personal feelings towards Hope and whether or not to get the police involved should have him kicked off the force, not to mention the cover up that ensued. But, this is Salem...
Edited by funone, Oct 22 2016, 11:00 PM.
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One more thing, how can you consider yourself one of the "good guys" when the line that is drawn is constantly being blurred. The ends don't justify the means. The heroes/heroines should hold themselves to a higher standard, otherwise they don't have a right to call themselves that and they can go hang out in the gutter with the "bad guys".
Edited by funone, Oct 22 2016, 11:07 PM.
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Oct 22 2016, 11:06 PM
One more thing, how can you consider yourself one of the "good guys" when the line that is drawn is constantly being blurred. The ends don't justify the means. The heroes/heroines should hold themselves to a higher standard, otherwise they don't have a right to call themselves that and they can go hang out in the gutter with the "bad guys".
I don't mind that line being blurred occasionally but it has to be done a lot better than this was for me.
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Oct 22 2016, 11:14 PM
funone
Oct 22 2016, 11:06 PM
One more thing, how can you consider yourself one of the "good guys" when the line that is drawn is constantly being blurred. The ends don't justify the means. The heroes/heroines should hold themselves to a higher standard, otherwise they don't have a right to call themselves that and they can go hang out in the gutter with the "bad guys".
I don't mind that line being blurred occasionally but it has to be done a lot better than this was for me.
I think it happens far too often for certain characters enough for me to make me loathe them. If it was a one-off that would be one thing, but it's not. Rafe in particular is in my opinion, no longer a viable hero, Hope is on the verge.
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I think Hope covering up what she did (as well as the lies she told) are worse than what she did to Stefano. She snapped after he goaded her and had just lost Bo, thinking Stefano was responsible. Had she come forward and told the truth, she could have had a good case for a lenient sentence. I don't expect good characters to be perfect and not make bad mistakes from time to time.
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Oct 22 2016, 11:23 PM
I think Hope covering up what she did (as well as the lies she told) are worse than what she did to Stefano. She snapped after he goaded her and had just lost Bo, thinking Stefano was responsible. Had she come forward and told the truth, she could have had a good case for a lenient sentence. I don't expect good characters to be perfect and not make bad mistakes from time to time.
My biggest problem with Rope is, they hide behind their badge far too much. Going rogue more than a few times.
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I certainly don't dislike Hope nearly as much as I disliked, for example, EJ. And if the show forced me to give a shit about Stefano's love life and career ambitions and so forth, I'd probably hate that too. Hope does serve a different purpose than a "bad guy" character though.

I don't need my characters totally black and white, but like ... violent acts should constitute crossing the line, IMO. Maybe the show was trying to be too edgy and it came back and bit them in the butt. And if you want to explore that territory you probably need more sophisticated writing than soaps generally have*.

I really don't get why they went this route, and now who even cares that Deimos apparently kidnapped Bo? They could have went the temporary amnesia route and had Hope psychologically block out her shooting Stefano, if they wanted to take her story in a different direction for a bit. It seems they wanted her to remember and I guess feel guilty, but they've done such a bad job showing any real effects of guilt. Nothing interesting really came of this direction. And at best this story can only end with Hope in jail which we've seen already.

*ETA: These days anyway.
Edited by DesignatedShelley, Oct 22 2016, 11:38 PM.
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Thank you JCP.

I know what Hope did was wrong, but to me, the Dimeras, most of them, got away with so many terrible things. I don't like it that just because they were rich, good looking, and were giving the best writing, that this family wasn't really held accountable for the misery they caused others.
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Oct 22 2016, 11:36 PM
I know what Hope did was wrong, but to me, the Dimeras, most of them, got away with so many terrible things. I don't like it that just because they were rich, good looking, and were giving the best writing, that this family wasn't really held accountable for the misery they caused others.
EJ was murdered, seems like Karma paid him back. Kristen is also supposedly "dead"...but I'm pretty sure EJ is dead dead.
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bygnedys
Oct 22 2016, 11:36 PM
I know what Hope did was wrong, but to me, the Dimeras, most of them, got away with so many terrible things. I don't like it that just because they were rich, good looking, and were giving the best writing, that this family wasn't really held accountable for the misery they caused others.
I don't disagree about them, but for me it's not about them. It's about her.
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