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Spoilers for the week of October 31st; Updated
Topic Started: Oct 21 2016, 11:21 PM (41,265 Views)
DesignatedShelley
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bygnedys
Oct 22 2016, 11:36 PM
I know what Hope did was wrong, but to me, the Dimeras, most of them, got away with so many terrible things. I don't like it that just because they were rich, good looking, and were giving the best writing, that this family wasn't really held accountable for the misery they caused others.
I prefer the Dimeras as swoop-in villains instead of just another about-town Salem family. I don't really have an interest in investing in them (at least the really villainous ones -- people like Lexie and Chad are a different story) the way I do legitimate protagonists. So I get what you're saying. But I also would rather they have been caught in a just way. Hope killing Stefano thinking he kidnapped Bo when he really didn't, that doesn't seem like a set-up that was designed to give me feelings of karmic victory.
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I have a question in regards to Hope's murder of Stefano and Marlena's putting him in that fully aware yet catatonic state; was there this sense of disapproval at that time amongst the fans? I can't recall and wasn't active on any boards. But I recall feeling as if, in a way, the ends justified the means. He wasn't dead, but was forced to live his life in silence. A good person took the law into her own hands and I was ok with it bc well, Stefano literally drove her to that point.
Maybe the underlying motive behind Hope killing him wasn't explored. I mean- Stefano, as we all know, was not the reason for bos death, but that beat was missed. I guess I'm wondering if my disappointment in the way Stefano died is due to the fact that it was an already oversaturated character whose motives were skewed and incorrect and then never even explorered in the storyline, or if it is because it should have never been Hope to pull the trigger, OR because the writing all around was rushed and contrived.....or all the above. I just don't feel like when Marlena poisoned him that I felt this up in arms...
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Oct 22 2016, 12:26 PM
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Oct 22 2016, 12:10 PM
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Oct 22 2016, 11:58 AM

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's getting dragged out.
Lol I know, wishful thinking on my part. Still I'm glad that they haven't wasted time in bringing it out and are dealing with it. Much like the Aiden situation, it's dragged on for far too long. They sent him on his way and now can throw some conclusion to this too.
This is probably going to be the "big trial" in November sweeps. Belle will defend her MIL. If I didn't read that Aiden will be gone, I would guess he'd be the attorney. Some sort of insanity defense would be my assumption. Long drawn out mess.
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Oct 22 2016, 12:53 PM
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Oct 22 2016, 12:47 PM
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Oct 22 2016, 12:34 PM

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She's no longer the center of the show, that's a good start.
Really? She hasn't been with the villain story but that's just about over.

She's getting a big sweeps reveal. A trial. And on screen jail time. And probably half the town trying to get her out of jail. She'll be the center of the show.
I am betting on little to no jail time. Mental Health issues will come into play. Count on it.
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Oct 23 2016, 06:03 AM
I have a question in regards to Hope's murder of Stefano and Marlena's putting him in that fully aware yet catatonic state; was there this sense of disapproval at that time amongst the fans? I can't recall and wasn't active on any boards. But I recall feeling as if, in a way, the ends justified the means. He wasn't dead, but was forced to live his life in silence. A good person took the law into her own hands and I was ok with it bc well, Stefano literally drove her to that point.
Maybe the underlying motive behind Hope killing him wasn't explored. I mean- Stefano, as we all know, was not the reason for bos death, but that beat was missed. I guess I'm wondering if my disappointment in the way Stefano died is due to the fact that it was an already oversaturated character whose motives were skewed and incorrect and then never even explorered in the storyline, or if it is because it should have never been Hope to pull the trigger, OR because the writing all around was rushed and contrived.....or all the above. I just don't feel like when Marlena poisoned him that I felt this up in arms...
I think different people felt differently about it. I thought they did a better job in the build up to it than they did with Hope, but I remember people being angry about it, too.
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lysie
Oct 23 2016, 08:28 AM
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Oct 23 2016, 06:03 AM
I have a question in regards to Hope's murder of Stefano and Marlena's putting him in that fully aware yet catatonic state; was there this sense of disapproval at that time amongst the fans? I can't recall and wasn't active on any boards. But I recall feeling as if, in a way, the ends justified the means. He wasn't dead, but was forced to live his life in silence. A good person took the law into her own hands and I was ok with it bc well, Stefano literally drove her to that point.
Maybe the underlying motive behind Hope killing him wasn't explored. I mean- Stefano, as we all know, was not the reason for bos death, but that beat was missed. I guess I'm wondering if my disappointment in the way Stefano died is due to the fact that it was an already oversaturated character whose motives were skewed and incorrect and then never even explorered in the storyline, or if it is because it should have never been Hope to pull the trigger, OR because the writing all around was rushed and contrived.....or all the above. I just don't feel like when Marlena poisoned him that I felt this up in arms...
I think different people felt differently about it. I thought they did a better job in the build up to it than they did with Hope, but I remember people being angry about it, too.
A lot of people were angry, or at least upset, including me. I don't want black and white characters all the time, but one of the things I do expect is that the good guys don't stoop to the level of bad guys.

That said, Marlena's actions were set up far better as it was just after the reveal of what Stefano had done to John. You know, something he had actually done. And Marlena wasn't a cop who then framed somebody else for her crime.

The problem with Hope is not so much that she shot Stefano. It's the cover up (which she was entirely complicit in) and the basic lack of any real regret or shame for what she did (which includes the cover up). As has been said, it's not about what Stefano or Andre did, it's about Hope and the impact on her character. And between the shooting, the cover-up, and the endless focus on her love life to the exclusion of anything and anyone else, I'm kind of done at this point.
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esp13
Oct 23 2016, 08:52 AM
lysie
Oct 23 2016, 08:28 AM
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Oct 23 2016, 06:03 AM
I have a question in regards to Hope's murder of Stefano and Marlena's putting him in that fully aware yet catatonic state; was there this sense of disapproval at that time amongst the fans? I can't recall and wasn't active on any boards. But I recall feeling as if, in a way, the ends justified the means. He wasn't dead, but was forced to live his life in silence. A good person took the law into her own hands and I was ok with it bc well, Stefano literally drove her to that point.
Maybe the underlying motive behind Hope killing him wasn't explored. I mean- Stefano, as we all know, was not the reason for bos death, but that beat was missed. I guess I'm wondering if my disappointment in the way Stefano died is due to the fact that it was an already oversaturated character whose motives were skewed and incorrect and then never even explorered in the storyline, or if it is because it should have never been Hope to pull the trigger, OR because the writing all around was rushed and contrived.....or all the above. I just don't feel like when Marlena poisoned him that I felt this up in arms...
I think different people felt differently about it. I thought they did a better job in the build up to it than they did with Hope, but I remember people being angry about it, too.
A lot of people were angry, or at least upset, including me. I don't want black and white characters all the time, but one of the things I do expect is that the good guys don't stoop to the level of bad guys.

That said, Marlena's actions were set up far better as it was just after the reveal of what Stefano had done to John. You know, something he had actually done. And Marlena wasn't a cop who then framed somebody else for her crime.

The problem with Hope is not so much that she shot Stefano. It's the cover up (which she was entirely complicit in) and the basic lack of any real regret or shame for what she did (which includes the cover up). As has been said, it's not about what Stefano or Andre did, it's about Hope and the impact on her character. And between the shooting, the cover-up, and the endless focus on her love life to the exclusion of anything and anyone else, I'm kind of done at this point.
LOL the fact that Stefano had actually done what Marlena was mad about did help. But I remember thinking wow Marlena hit her tipping point. It felt like a significant thing at that point since she had dealt with Stefano messing with her and John for so long and this was the final straw.

That being said, I do prefer the high road for good characters.
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Lovejm
Oct 23 2016, 09:11 AM
esp13
Oct 23 2016, 08:52 AM
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Oct 23 2016, 08:28 AM

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A lot of people were angry, or at least upset, including me. I don't want black and white characters all the time, but one of the things I do expect is that the good guys don't stoop to the level of bad guys.

That said, Marlena's actions were set up far better as it was just after the reveal of what Stefano had done to John. You know, something he had actually done. And Marlena wasn't a cop who then framed somebody else for her crime.

The problem with Hope is not so much that she shot Stefano. It's the cover up (which she was entirely complicit in) and the basic lack of any real regret or shame for what she did (which includes the cover up). As has been said, it's not about what Stefano or Andre did, it's about Hope and the impact on her character. And between the shooting, the cover-up, and the endless focus on her love life to the exclusion of anything and anyone else, I'm kind of done at this point.
LOL the fact that Stefano had actually done what Marlena was mad about did help. But I remember thinking wow Marlena hit her tipping point. It felt like a significant thing at that point since she had dealt with Stefano messing with her and John for so long and this was the final straw.

That being said, I do prefer the high road for good characters.
Yeah, it definitely felt like a tipping point for Marlena, after John and everything that had happened with Sami (I mean, I didn't care about Sami but I get that Marlena did). I didn't really like it, for the reasons I already stated, but it was mostly understandable if viewed as that breaking point.

I would have preferred more follow through on that, in terms of impacting Marlena, but that didn't really happen. But even without it, the circumstances were just so different from what happened with Hope that it's not really comparable, IMO.
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Jennifer and Adrienne decide to buy The Spectator.

Now please actually show them there and working.
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Oct 23 2016, 06:03 AM
I have a question in regards to Hope's murder of Stefano and Marlena's putting him in that fully aware yet catatonic state; was there this sense of disapproval at that time amongst the fans? I can't recall and wasn't active on any boards. But I recall feeling as if, in a way, the ends justified the means. He wasn't dead, but was forced to live his life in silence. A good person took the law into her own hands and I was ok with it bc well, Stefano literally drove her to that point.
Maybe the underlying motive behind Hope killing him wasn't explored. I mean- Stefano, as we all know, was not the reason for bos death, but that beat was missed. I guess I'm wondering if my disappointment in the way Stefano died is due to the fact that it was an already oversaturated character whose motives were skewed and incorrect and then never even explorered in the storyline, or if it is because it should have never been Hope to pull the trigger, OR because the writing all around was rushed and contrived.....or all the above. I just don't feel like when Marlena poisoned him that I felt this up in arms...
I think was Marlena did was twisted even though in that case Stefano was guilty and she knew it.

The difference is, for me, is Hope went a little wacko and killed Stefano, understandable... but what was not understandable was what came next.
Edited by sonnyfan, Oct 23 2016, 11:50 AM.
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Monday, October 31, 2016
Chad is stunned by Hope’s revelation.
John and Steve search frantically for Kayla and Marlena.

Tuesday, November 1, 2016
Andre unexpectedly offers a helping hand.

Wednesday, November 2, 2016
Theresa receives an unexpected visit from Shane.

Thursday, November 3, 2016
Nicole calls Chloe, wanting answers.

Friday, November 4, 2016
Ciara is driven to seek out Hope for answers.
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lysie
Oct 23 2016, 12:01 PM
Monday, October 31, 2016
Chad is stunned by Hope’s revelation.
John and Steve search frantically for Kayla and Marlena.

Tuesday, November 1, 2016
Andre unexpectedly offers a helping hand.

Wednesday, November 2, 2016
Theresa receives an unexpected visit from Shane.

Thursday, November 3, 2016
Nicole calls Chloe, wanting answers.

Friday, November 4, 2016
Ciara is driven to seek out Hope for answers.
and hopefully Chloe says none of your business and hangs up!
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lysie
Oct 23 2016, 12:01 PM
Thursday, November 3, 2016
Nicole calls Chloe, wanting answers.

Friday, November 4, 2016
Ciara is driven to seek out Hope for answers.
Hmm, I think it's Nicole who owes Chloe some answers.

In the midst of VJ's lack of acting prowess let's not forget the rather hellish year Ciara has been having. I hope that scene is good and she doesn't just come to terms with her mom's actions by the end of the episode.
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Does Hope tell Chad herself or dies he find out from a third party?
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I think Chloe and Nicole both owe each other some answers. Chloe left town letting Nicole think Deimos was the father, why is that?

I can't wait for Chloe to return and to find out what she's hiding, and whose baby it is.
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DesignatedShelley
Oct 23 2016, 12:09 PM
lysie
Oct 23 2016, 12:01 PM
Thursday, November 3, 2016
Nicole calls Chloe, wanting answers.

Friday, November 4, 2016
Ciara is driven to seek out Hope for answers.
Hmm, I think it's Nicole who owes Chloe some answers.

In the midst of VJ's lack of acting prowess let's not forget the rather hellish year Ciara has been having. I hope that scene is good and she doesn't just come to terms with her mom's actions by the end of the episode.
no she'll probably come off emotionally less

Hey mom I heard you shot Stefano

You framed Andre...

And Aiden tried to blackmail you...ok :sleep:
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Oct 23 2016, 01:30 PM
I think Chloe and Nicole both owe each other some answers. Chloe left town letting Nicole think Deimos was the father, why is that?

I can't wait for Chloe to return and to find out what she's hiding, and whose baby it is.
in all truth..unless this is supposed to be Nicole's baby, why should Chloe have to tell Nicole who the father is??
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Oct 23 2016, 02:53 PM
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Oct 23 2016, 01:30 PM
I think Chloe and Nicole both owe each other some answers. Chloe left town letting Nicole think Deimos was the father, why is that?

I can't wait for Chloe to return and to find out what she's hiding, and whose baby it is.
in all truth..unless this is supposed to be Nicole's baby, why should Chloe have to tell Nicole who the father is??
She doesn't have to tell Nicole anything, but I think Nicole has every right to ask why she let her believe the father was Deimos, if he's not.

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Oct 22 2016, 10:26 PM
What I was commenting on was the constant negativity and hatred expressed here for all the stories/characters. I realize that those who post here constantly may not view the threads as other non-frequent members might. but the fact is.......threads here are filled with "I hate this character, that one, that story is stupid, that should not have happened, so and so is not featured.............just constant negative.
Sometimes it makes one wonder why members here bother to watch, since they seem to hate everything about the show.

This site did not use to be this way......and trust me, I am not a big Hope fan. Never have been. But, if you feel that I have been wrongly "summarizing your opinions" which was not the case, and I did not do......heck, how many threads there state "I hate so and so, hate what so and so is doing, saying, etc."

However, since MY opinions are not the norm, and seem to be called to question.....sorry, I apologize for trying to point out a problem here. Don't you wonder why no differing opinions are posted?

Trust me, learned. Won't post.
You should still post Jane. That's the great thing about free speech, you're entitled to it just like everyone else. I realize that many of my posts have been anti-Theresa, but that's because I despise the character's mere existence. If people take offense to your opinion, then so what? Please don't feel like you should be silenced because you have every right to be here as we do. :)

Hopefully based on what I said above, I didn't piss off anyone else. ;)
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Oct 23 2016, 03:12 PM
janem
Oct 22 2016, 10:26 PM
What I was commenting on was the constant negativity and hatred expressed here for all the stories/characters. I realize that those who post here constantly may not view the threads as other non-frequent members might. but the fact is.......threads here are filled with "I hate this character, that one, that story is stupid, that should not have happened, so and so is not featured.............just constant negative.
Sometimes it makes one wonder why members here bother to watch, since they seem to hate everything about the show.

This site did not use to be this way......and trust me, I am not a big Hope fan. Never have been. But, if you feel that I have been wrongly "summarizing your opinions" which was not the case, and I did not do......heck, how many threads there state "I hate so and so, hate what so and so is doing, saying, etc."

However, since MY opinions are not the norm, and seem to be called to question.....sorry, I apologize for trying to point out a problem here. Don't you wonder why no differing opinions are posted?

Trust me, learned. Won't post.
You should still post Jane. That's the great thing about free speech, you're entitled to it just like everyone else. I realize that many of my posts have been anti-Theresa, but that's because I despise the character's mere existence. If people take offense to your opinion, then so what? Please don't feel like you should be silenced because you have every right to be here as we do. :)

Hopefully based on what I said above, I didn't piss off anyone else. ;)
She wasn't told by the admin not to post, she was told to keep her posts about the show and not about the members here or the posts here. That was all
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