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Monday, October 24th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Oct 23 2016, 01:29 PM (9,341 Views)
lilparisbabe


Did I miss something? I thought John and Ed were supposed to make a pact today!?
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I figured out my problem with Rope...

first Rafe is supposed to be Mr. Hero that rescues the damsel in distress, but it's downgrading Hope, who's always been painted strong to trash her by everyone acting like she's the damsel.

second, Rafe is ready to commit murder and so is Roman, or lie and perjure their selves...trust me, IMO any cop would be better than these two.
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Hugo


It was great to see Steve and Kayla reuniting, it warmed my heart...

BUT I'm not happy with the way the writers trivialized their issues. I don't think Kayla was the only one in the wrong because she wanted to change Steve and that she just needed to accept him to resolve everything. Steve is not perfect, it feels like he has never really treated her like his equal, always keeping things from her, trying to make decisions for the both of them and putting her and Joey in danger because of his reckless decisions. At least they said Steve would continue therapy.
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Hugo


As creepy as Hope and Aiden's scenes are, they have a strange appeal to me, it's like watching a train wreck, I can't look away. I'm really sad what Haiden has become because I used to ship it but I really don't feel bad for Aiden or Hope at the moment. He deserves the cold shoulder for all the lies and now the blackmail. She deserves to pay for Stefano's murder. That being said, I'm glad the writers are calling what Aiden tries to do to Hope rape and that they will not let it actually happen. Unlike the Ava/Steve mess that did happen and wasn't acknowledged as rape.
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Hugo


Have you noticed that Rafe was the younger character in this episode? That's really not smart when you try to broaden your audience.
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Is anyone a fan of Rope?. Aiden and Hope work just fine apart and should never be in scenes again. But Rafe and Hope scenes are worse than any couple I have witnessed in their age group since I have watched since 92 and that includes Dannifer and countless irrelevant couples. Ugggh
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I liked Steve and Kayla, I'm glad she's accepting him as he is again. And I like that Steve still wants to go to therapy, you know something is going to come out of that!
I also liked Kate and Andre, they are good together.
I am so tired of Hope/Aiden/Rafe....... enough already!!
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Lovejm


Hugo
Oct 25 2016, 03:12 AM
It was great to see Steve and Kayla reuniting, it warmed my heart...

BUT I'm not happy with the way the writers trivialized their issues. I don't think Kayla was the only one in the wrong because she wanted to change Steve and that she just needed to accept him to resolve everything. Steve is not perfect, it feels like he has never really treated her like his equal, always keeping things from her, trying to make decisions for the both of them and putting her and Joey in danger because of his reckless decisions. At least they said Steve would continue therapy.
I agree they brushed it all under the carpet. Probably never to be addressed again. I really truly disliked the dialogue about Kayla talking too much. I didn't think the sports package thing was funny either. We get it. He's a man. She wants to make the house comfortable for him.

The good thing is the actors make you sort of forget the crappy writing
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Lovejm


About yesterday's S&K dialogue. Not only did I not like the actual words used, I disliked the sort of tone of it. Even Kayla's talk with Marlena was about making Steve happy. I remember last fall being slightly annoyed John and Marlena referenced the ISA as part of their issue but they didn't take the blame for their issues from John. It was ALL about John proving himself to Marlena again.

What they did yesterday was negate anything that happened this year for S&K, IMO. And that's not fair to the characters. It really isn't fair to Kayla.
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Great episode with a strong ending!

It feels as though the writers are really trying to right some wrongs. Having Kayla, Steve, Marlena and John share a table at the pub conversing after a big event was a fan treat. Then they wrote a very special moment for long time vets by having Kayla in a red dress dancing with Steve. They even picked the pier which has some historical value for them.

Rafe and Roman had good scenes as they tried to work out how best to save Hope from Aiden's crazy manipulations. These men were shown true to character. There was a time not long ago where all the "good guy" actions were non-existent. The good guys were hinging on being unrecognizable creeps. Bravo for having them willing to sacrifice themselves again.

Hope was written really well too. She's in a hard spot with this maniac demanding she feel something she can't. Does she accept his terms? She's there in the dress, BUT wait! No! She's had enough. I loved that she called Aiden on his behavior being the same as Chase. The fire in her eyes was perfect Hope!

I found Andre's scenes with Kate amusing. He's riding cloud nine from his actions and Kate brings up Tony. He comes back slamming her about bedding Clyde and in pops Marlena with her observations. All done well.

I'm not eager to see Kate bed Eduardo next. It baffles me that she gets so much action as their go to woman for every man on canvas. I AM eager to see Anna Dimera back and give her some competition in that area. Kate and Eduardo feel SO mismatched.

Solid episode! Looking forward to today's continuation with Hope, Aiden and Rafe.
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Oct 25 2016, 08:33 AM
Great episode with a strong ending!

It feels as though the writers are really trying to right some wrongs. Having Kayla, Steve, Marlena and John share a table at the pub conversing after a big event was a fan treat. Then they wrote a very special moment for long time vets by having Kayla in a red dress dancing with Steve. They even picked the pier which has some historical value for them.

Rafe and Roman had good scenes as they tried to work out how best to save Hope from Aiden's crazy manipulations. These men were shown true to character. There was a time not long ago where all the "good guy" actions were non-existent. The good guys were hinging on being unrecognizable creeps. Bravo for having them willing to sacrifice themselves again.

Hope was written really well too. She's in a hard spot with this maniac demanding she feel something she can't. Does she accept his terms? She's there in the dress, BUT wait! No! She's had enough. I loved that she called Aiden on his behavior being the same as Chase. The fire in her eyes was perfect Hope!

I found Andre's scenes with Kate amusing. He's riding cloud nine from his actions and Kate brings up Tony. He comes back slamming her about bedding Clyde and in pops Marlena with her observations. All done well.

I'm not eager to see Kate bed Eduardo next. It baffles me that she gets so much action as their go to woman for every man on canvas. I AM eager to see Anna Dimera back and give her some competition in that area. Kate and Eduardo feel SO mismatched.

Solid episode! Looking forward to today's continuation with Hope, Aiden and Rafe.
I disagree about Rafe and Roman. I wish they were trying to find a way to clear Hope. That's where they should be focusing. Instead they're talking about yet another lie!

Coincidentally, I'd imagine BlackPatch may end up taking hopes case. The timing is too coincidental for them to be back in business.
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lysie


I feel like I could have been a lot more forgiving of S&K's dialogue if there'd been anything from Steve about Kayla...and if what we did get from Steve (will continue therapy) hadn't been immediately been brushed off as unnecessary by Kayla. We never even heard what he got from therapy, only what he got from the intake form. Meanwhile, I might have been more forgiving of some of it, but the cable comment and the thing about her talking too much were both ridiculous.
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Oct 25 2016, 08:20 AM
About yesterday's S&K dialogue. Not only did I not like the actual words used, I disliked the sort of tone of it. Even Kayla's talk with Marlena was about making Steve happy. I remember last fall being slightly annoyed John and Marlena referenced the ISA as part of their issue but they didn't take the blame for their issues from John. It was ALL about John proving himself to Marlena again.

What they did yesterday was negate anything that happened this year for S&K, IMO. And that's not fair to the characters. It really isn't fair to Kayla.
I absolutely agree. As much as I can fangirl about the pier and the dance and the kisses, etc., it still left a bad taste in my mouth. I will say that Marlena's focus on Steve's happiness did keep the perfect record intact. In six months, not one person ever bothered to care about Kayla's feelings about the separation.

The one slightly mitigating factor was two very small lines from Steve. His acknowledgment that he forgot that they work best as a team and his comment about continuing therapy to help him not screw things up again. But, in the entire episode, those were the only two lines that even hinted that maybe the whole thing wasn't all Kayla's fault, that maybe he had some part to play in their separation. And given everything that's happened, that's just entirely unfair - particularly to Kayla.

I really don't have a problem with Kayla realizing, after her brain surgery and the Orpheus stuff, that as much as she might want to, she can't make danger and chaos disappear from her life. And that, in the end, she'd rather go through all that with Steve than without him. But there is just no reason that she couldn't have articulated that or that Steve couldn't acknowledge that his choices haven't always been the best ones and he understands how that affects her. We aren't talking about difficult dialogue here. It wouldn't have taken more time to film than what we got yesterday. So, it leads me to believe that Dena either has no idea who these characters really are, or doesn't care.

I will say that if this is the type of writing they are going to get, I'd rather have them together and happy than apart, simply because this writing is likely to do less damage that way. But man . . . it's just so, so bad.
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Lovejm
Oct 24 2016, 11:49 AM
Hope does not want to dance to their gala song
Are they not allowed to say titles of classical pieces on-screen?
Edited by thepadange, Oct 25 2016, 10:03 AM.
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lysie


That therapy intake form though...I mean, it could put real therapists out of business apparently.
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esp13
Oct 25 2016, 09:47 AM
Lovejm
Oct 25 2016, 08:20 AM
About yesterday's S&K dialogue. Not only did I not like the actual words used, I disliked the sort of tone of it. Even Kayla's talk with Marlena was about making Steve happy. I remember last fall being slightly annoyed John and Marlena referenced the ISA as part of their issue but they didn't take the blame for their issues from John. It was ALL about John proving himself to Marlena again.

What they did yesterday was negate anything that happened this year for S&K, IMO. And that's not fair to the characters. It really isn't fair to Kayla.
I absolutely agree. As much as I can fangirl about the pier and the dance and the kisses, etc., it still left a bad taste in my mouth. I will say that Marlena's focus on Steve's happiness did keep the perfect record intact. In six months, not one person ever bothered to care about Kayla's feelings about the separation.

The one slightly mitigating factor was two very small lines from Steve. His acknowledgment that he forgot that they work best as a team and his comment about continuing therapy to help him not screw things up again. But, in the entire episode, those were the only two lines that even hinted that maybe the whole thing wasn't all Kayla's fault, that maybe he had some part to play in their separation. And given everything that's happened, that's just entirely unfair - particularly to Kayla.

I really don't have a problem with Kayla realizing, after her brain surgery and the Orpheus stuff, that as much as she might want to, she can't make danger and chaos disappear from her life. And that, in the end, she'd rather go through all that with Steve than without him. But there is just no reason that she couldn't have articulated that or that Steve couldn't acknowledge that his choices haven't always been the best ones and he understands how that affects her. We aren't talking about difficult dialogue here. It wouldn't have taken more time to film than what we got yesterday. So, it leads me to believe that Dena either has no idea who these characters really are, or doesn't care.

I will say that if this is the type of writing they are going to get, I'd rather have them together and happy than apart, simply because this writing is likely to do less damage that way. But man . . . it's just so, so bad.
Oh yea. Leaving them together and getting sort of topical writing is by far the better option. Otherwise if they attempted to get into anything deeper, it would be flat out destructive. But what a waste. It totally just feels Dena.
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Oct 25 2016, 09:57 AM
That therapy intake form though...I mean, it could put real therapists out of business apparently.
It was apparently a really, really good form. I'm surprised Steve wanted to continue to see the actual therapist rather than just filling out more forms.
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Oct 25 2016, 09:57 AM
That therapy intake form though...I mean, it could put real therapists out of business apparently.
Maybe he touched it and had a Caroline vision of what the therapist would say.
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Lovejm
Oct 25 2016, 10:00 AM
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Oct 25 2016, 09:47 AM
Lovejm
Oct 25 2016, 08:20 AM
About yesterday's S&K dialogue. Not only did I not like the actual words used, I disliked the sort of tone of it. Even Kayla's talk with Marlena was about making Steve happy. I remember last fall being slightly annoyed John and Marlena referenced the ISA as part of their issue but they didn't take the blame for their issues from John. It was ALL about John proving himself to Marlena again.

What they did yesterday was negate anything that happened this year for S&K, IMO. And that's not fair to the characters. It really isn't fair to Kayla.
I absolutely agree. As much as I can fangirl about the pier and the dance and the kisses, etc., it still left a bad taste in my mouth. I will say that Marlena's focus on Steve's happiness did keep the perfect record intact. In six months, not one person ever bothered to care about Kayla's feelings about the separation.

The one slightly mitigating factor was two very small lines from Steve. His acknowledgment that he forgot that they work best as a team and his comment about continuing therapy to help him not screw things up again. But, in the entire episode, those were the only two lines that even hinted that maybe the whole thing wasn't all Kayla's fault, that maybe he had some part to play in their separation. And given everything that's happened, that's just entirely unfair - particularly to Kayla.

I really don't have a problem with Kayla realizing, after her brain surgery and the Orpheus stuff, that as much as she might want to, she can't make danger and chaos disappear from her life. And that, in the end, she'd rather go through all that with Steve than without him. But there is just no reason that she couldn't have articulated that or that Steve couldn't acknowledge that his choices haven't always been the best ones and he understands how that affects her. We aren't talking about difficult dialogue here. It wouldn't have taken more time to film than what we got yesterday. So, it leads me to believe that Dena either has no idea who these characters really are, or doesn't care.

I will say that if this is the type of writing they are going to get, I'd rather have them together and happy than apart, simply because this writing is likely to do less damage that way. But man . . . it's just so, so bad.
Oh yea. Leaving them together and getting sort of topical writing is by far the better option. Otherwise if they attempted to get into anything deeper, it would be flat out destructive. But what a waste. It totally just feels Dena.
It is a waste and that's the most frustrating part about the whole thing. This show has some really good actors who want and are able to handle deeper, stronger material. Yet, inevitably, they waste that talent and that history.

I can understand that some things can't be like they were in the 80's and 90's. Big umbrella storylines and adventures are mostly out because of the budget. I get that. But the budget shouldn't affect the ability to write decent, emotional stories. That's all about talent and commitment and Days seems to have a difficult time finding either.

I also recognize that this show desperately needs a stronger middle and younger generation. I don't have a problem with the vets being in more supporting roles with fewer (but not zero) frontburner stories. But they can't even do a good job at that either. Instead of really using family relationships and friendships, they pay occasional lip service to them and then forget about them for months.

Anyway, it's just frustrating when you can see potential - whether in a particular story or scene, couple or character - and the writing consistently destroys that potential. Because I honestly don't understand why. Other than the stock answer of . . . because Dena.
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Oct 25 2016, 10:10 AM
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Oct 25 2016, 10:00 AM
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Oct 25 2016, 09:47 AM

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Oh yea. Leaving them together and getting sort of topical writing is by far the better option. Otherwise if they attempted to get into anything deeper, it would be flat out destructive. But what a waste. It totally just feels Dena.
It is a waste and that's the most frustrating part about the whole thing. This show has some really good actors who want and are able to handle deeper, stronger material. Yet, inevitably, they waste that talent and that history.

I can understand that some things can't be like they were in the 80's and 90's. Big umbrella storylines and adventures are mostly out because of the budget. I get that. But the budget shouldn't affect the ability to write decent, emotional stories. That's all about talent and commitment and Days seems to have a difficult time finding either.

I also recognize that this show desperately needs a stronger middle and younger generation. I don't have a problem with the vets being in more supporting roles with fewer (but not zero) frontburner stories. But they can't even do a good job at that either. Instead of really using family relationships and friendships, they pay occasional lip service to them and then forget about them for months.

Anyway, it's just frustrating when you can see potential - whether in a particular story or scene, couple or character - and the writing consistently destroys that potential. Because I honestly don't understand why. Other than the stock answer of . . . because Dena.
Seriously. It would be extremely cheap to do the kind of emotional fall out and follow up people seem to ask for. You don't need a pretty set for it. You don't need explosions. Camera angles are cool but not necessary when the dialogue is there.
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