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Thursday, October 27th Episode Discussion
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Topic Started: Oct 26 2016, 05:27 PM (7,092 Views)
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Oct 27 2016, 12:01 PM
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- Oct 27 2016, 11:37 AM
Yeah I'm not here for Chad mooning over Gabi. Abby never even had a funeral yet. Wasn't there an off-screen memorial a while ago? Lucas and Adrienne and Doug and Julie were with Jenn at the Horton house either before or after it, I think.
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Oct 27 2016, 12:01 PM
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- Oct 27 2016, 11:18 AM
Kayla wants Steve to have one so she can have him around forever. uh oh is that an anvil for a medical issue for poor Steve? Steve with the breast cancer rather than Adrienne would be a slightly different cancer story.
Really, thought, I was surprised this wasn't a beat they played this time last year. Because I'd have thought Bo's health issues would have made her go in for a full work up head to toe.
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Oct 27 2016, 12:02 PM
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Chad talking to Thomas, wishes he wasn't raising him alone. I would like that scene if this whole story wasn't so obvious. I'd actually take a little heart from that scene if I were a Chabby fan. Actually from the whole day. Gabi is still clearly in love with JJ, not Chad. And it seems pretty obvious that Chad's "attraction" to Gabi is a lot more about being lonely/alone, than about any kind of insta-love or other feelings. That is, it feels to me that Chad wants Gabi around, or to be around Gabi, because it keeps him from being alone, not because he suddenly can't live without her.
It might be obvious, but it's also about as standard soap story telling as you can get. And, because it's so standard, it's possible it might be the one thing that Dena can't totally screw up. So, look, bright side. ;)
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Oct 27 2016, 12:03 PM
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"How is Abe doing?"
Just Abe?????
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Oct 27 2016, 12:04 PM
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Also. Kate. Now we have to sit through her and Andre as whatever they are. And a romance with Eduardo. Stop.
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Oct 27 2016, 12:06 PM
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Chad talking to Thomas, wishes he wasn't raising him alone. I would like that scene if this whole story wasn't so obvious.
I'd actually take a little heart from that scene if I were a Chabby fan. Actually from the whole day. Gabi is still clearly in love with JJ, not Chad. And it seems pretty obvious that Chad's "attraction" to Gabi is a lot more about being lonely/alone, than about any kind of insta-love or other feelings. That is, it feels to me that Chad wants Gabi around, or to be around Gabi, because it keeps him from being alone, not because he suddenly can't live without her. It might be obvious, but it's also about as standard soap story telling as you can get. And, because it's so standard, it's possible it might be the one thing that Dena can't totally screw up. So, look, bright side. ;) Yea I agree he's just lonely and lost. My concern is they act on that and then keep it from Abby for months after her return.
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Oct 27 2016, 12:10 PM
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- Oct 27 2016, 11:59 AM
Chad talking to Thomas, wishes he wasn't raising him alone. I would like that scene if this whole story wasn't so obvious.
I'd actually take a little heart from that scene if I were a Chabby fan. Actually from the whole day. Gabi is still clearly in love with JJ, not Chad. And it seems pretty obvious that Chad's "attraction" to Gabi is a lot more about being lonely/alone, than about any kind of insta-love or other feelings. That is, it feels to me that Chad wants Gabi around, or to be around Gabi, because it keeps him from being alone, not because he suddenly can't live without her. It might be obvious, but it's also about as standard soap story telling as you can get. And, because it's so standard, it's possible it might be the one thing that Dena can't totally screw up. So, look, bright side. ;)
Yea I agree he's just lonely and lost. My concern is they act on that and then keep it from Abby for months after her return. LOL, have you not watched a soap before? ;)
Of course, there is going to be something that happens that they keep a secret from Abby (and JJ probably). It's Dena.
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Oct 27 2016, 12:12 PM
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Yea I agree he's just lonely and lost. My concern is they act on that and then keep it from Abby for months after her return.
LOL, have you not watched a soap before? ;) Of course, there is going to be something that happens that they keep a secret from Abby (and JJ probably). It's Dena. Oh I know. I just don't want to see it lol
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Oct 27 2016, 12:12 PM
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- Oct 27 2016, 11:48 AM
Andre still has to do community service mentions the Halloween fundraiser. guess that's it comes into play. Andre is in cahoots with Orephus
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Oct 27 2016, 12:20 PM
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Chad talking to Thomas, wishes he wasn't raising him alone. I would like that scene if this whole story wasn't so obvious.
I'd actually take a little heart from that scene if I were a Chabby fan. Actually from the whole day. Gabi is still clearly in love with JJ, not Chad. And it seems pretty obvious that Chad's "attraction" to Gabi is a lot more about being lonely/alone, than about any kind of insta-love or other feelings. That is, it feels to me that Chad wants Gabi around, or to be around Gabi, because it keeps him from being alone, not because he suddenly can't live without her. It might be obvious, but it's also about as standard soap story telling as you can get. And, because it's so standard, it's possible it might be the one thing that Dena can't totally screw up. So, look, bright side. ;) I was just logging in to post this exact train of thought but you beat me to it AND wrote it more eloquently than I ever could.
Chad is CLEARLY just lonely and looking for an insta family for himself and Thomas.
It's still going to be messy but I'm good with this direction.
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Oct 27 2016, 12:24 PM
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Yea I agree he's just lonely and lost. My concern is they act on that and then keep it from Abby for months after her return.
LOL, have you not watched a soap before? ;) Of course, there is going to be something that happens that they keep a secret from Abby (and JJ probably). It's Dena. I think it will be more complicated than that since I think everyone involved will have a secret.
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Oct 27 2016, 12:24 PM
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LOL, have you not watched a soap before? ;) Of course, there is going to be something that happens that they keep a secret from Abby (and JJ probably). It's Dena.
Oh I know. I just don't want to see it lol Oh, I don't necessarily want to see it. And I understand that people who actually have a real attachment to Chad and Abby are upset by it. But, I'd be lying if I pretended this wasn't a "classic" soap story. I mean, has there ever been a situation where a spouse was temporarily "dead" and the other spouse didn't end up in bed with someone just before the "dead" spouse returned? And I'm not talking about the long term "deaths" (i.e. Roman, Hope, Steve). But the shorter ones.
I mean, Kim ended up in bed with Cal about two months after Shane "died" and just in time for Shane to come back to town with no memory and see them in bed together. And that was in 1989.
So I get people feeling uneasy about the story, particularly because Dena is writing it. But, I guess my point is that this isn't some insult to Chad/Abby fans (or the couple). It's just soaps.
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Oct 27 2016, 12:35 PM
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Oh I know. I just don't want to see it lol
Oh, I don't necessarily want to see it. And I understand that people who actually have a real attachment to Chad and Abby are upset by it. But, I'd be lying if I pretended this wasn't a "classic" soap story. I mean, has there ever been a situation where a spouse was temporarily "dead" and the other spouse didn't end up in bed with someone just before the "dead" spouse returned? And I'm not talking about the long term "deaths" (i.e. Roman, Hope, Steve). But the shorter ones. I mean, Kim ended up in bed with Cal about two months after Shane "died" and just in time for Shane to come back to town with no memory and see them in bed together. And that was in 1989. So I get people feeling uneasy about the story, particularly because Dena is writing it. But, I guess my point is that this isn't some insult to Chad/Abby fans (or the couple). It's just soaps. Exactly. I feel like they're setting up a very classic soap story here. One that I've seen many times before. There was no way Abby was going to return after 5 months and Chabby live happily ever after the moment she got back. I knew as soon as they made Chad a widower that they would go in this direction.
I really don't want to watch it either but I'm certainly not surprised or feeling insulted as a Chabby fan.
I'm just glad they're making it clear why Chad is "moving on" and where Gabi's heart truly lies.
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Oct 27 2016, 12:37 PM
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Chad talking to Thomas, wishes he wasn't raising him alone. I would like that scene if this whole story wasn't so obvious.
I'd actually take a little heart from that scene if I were a Chabby fan. Actually from the whole day. Gabi is still clearly in love with JJ, not Chad. And it seems pretty obvious that Chad's "attraction" to Gabi is a lot more about being lonely/alone, than about any kind of insta-love or other feelings. That is, it feels to me that Chad wants Gabi around, or to be around Gabi, because it keeps him from being alone, not because he suddenly can't live without her. It might be obvious, but it's also about as standard soap story telling as you can get. And, because it's so standard, it's possible it might be the one thing that Dena can't totally screw up. So, look, bright side. ;) Thanks, I do agree Chad is lonely. Gabi doesn't sound like she's seeking out Chad. It seems to be more on Chad's side. The shipper in me wanted the last scene to only be about Thomas and Abby, but with the flower touch it became about Gabi too, at least a little bit. I just wish Chad would mention Abby more and how much he misses her too. He was all about grieving her when she first died and no, I don't want him miserable. But for the last month or so he really hasn't acted or vocalize that he misses her. When he doesn't talk about her until someone brings her name up and is happy with Gabi, Andre, or whoever my emotional (not rational) reaction is that he is over her and has forgotten her. Maybe it's too painful for him to think about Abby, but I haven't seen any indication of that onscreen. It doesn't sit well with me how fast this is happening after Abby's "death", so that bugs me but I know they wanted to make a story for when Abby comes back (though I think there were other routes they could have taken).
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Oct 27 2016, 12:44 PM
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Oh, I don't necessarily want to see it. And I understand that people who actually have a real attachment to Chad and Abby are upset by it. But, I'd be lying if I pretended this wasn't a "classic" soap story. I mean, has there ever been a situation where a spouse was temporarily "dead" and the other spouse didn't end up in bed with someone just before the "dead" spouse returned? And I'm not talking about the long term "deaths" (i.e. Roman, Hope, Steve). But the shorter ones. I mean, Kim ended up in bed with Cal about two months after Shane "died" and just in time for Shane to come back to town with no memory and see them in bed together. And that was in 1989. So I get people feeling uneasy about the story, particularly because Dena is writing it. But, I guess my point is that this isn't some insult to Chad/Abby fans (or the couple). It's just soaps.
Exactly. I feel like they're setting up a very classic soap story here. One that I've seen many times before. There was no way Abby was going to return after 5 months and Chabby live happily ever after the moment she got back. I knew as soon as they made Chad a widower that they would go in this direction. I really don't want to watch it either but I'm certainly not surprised or feeling insulted as a Chabby fan. I'm just glad they're making it clear why Chad is "moving on" and where Gabi's heart truly lies. And I think the bolded part is really key to the whole story. At their essence, many soap stories are about characters doing unbelievable things for believable reasons. Well, at least good soaps. In this type of story, the important part for the long-term payoff is not Chad and Gabi sleeping together (assuming they do) it's the motivations/emotions behind it.
I have no idea of the actual story, but having watched soaps before, I'm going to guess that Gabi finds out about the secret JJ is keeping and is upset. She goes to/runs into Chad who tries to comfort her. Chad's clearly lonely and sad and that leaves him vulnerable to almost any kind of affection, really. So, in classic soap fashion, one things leads to another. Then, the next day, they realize it was a mistake or at least one of them does.
Flash forward a week or a month and Abby's back and Gabi finds out that JJ's secret wasn't what she thought it was. So, the question is - for fans, and to a lesser degree Abby and JJ - is what Chad and Gabi did ultimately forgiveable? If the motivations/emotions are set up properly, the answer should be yes. If they aren't, then it's much harder. So, my concern for this storyline is much less about Chad and Gabi sleeping together, it's whether the writing will make that mistake understandable/forgivable.
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Oct 27 2016, 12:49 PM
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Chad talking to Thomas, wishes he wasn't raising him alone. I would like that scene if this whole story wasn't so obvious.
I'd actually take a little heart from that scene if I were a Chabby fan. Actually from the whole day. Gabi is still clearly in love with JJ, not Chad. And it seems pretty obvious that Chad's "attraction" to Gabi is a lot more about being lonely/alone, than about any kind of insta-love or other feelings. That is, it feels to me that Chad wants Gabi around, or to be around Gabi, because it keeps him from being alone, not because he suddenly can't live without her. It might be obvious, but it's also about as standard soap story telling as you can get. And, because it's so standard, it's possible it might be the one thing that Dena can't totally screw up. So, look, bright side. ;)
Thanks, I do agree Chad is lonely. Gabi doesn't sound like she's seeking out Chad. It seems to be more on Chad's side. The shipper in me wanted the last scene to only be about Thomas and Abby, but with the flower touch it became about Gabi too, at least a little bit. I just wish Chad would mention Abby more and how much he misses her too. He was all about grieving her when she first died and no, I don't want him miserable. But for the last month or so he really hasn't acted or vocalize that he misses her. When he doesn't talk about her until someone brings her name up and is happy with Gabi, Andre, or whoever my emotional (not rational) reaction is that he is over her and has forgotten her. Maybe it's too painful for him to think about Abby, but I haven't seen any indication of that onscreen. It doesn't sit well with me how fast this is happening after Abby's "death", so that bugs me but I know they wanted to make a story for when Abby comes back (though I think there were other routes they could have taken). How long somebody "mourns" on a soap is a double-edged sword. I mean, I watched Kayla mourn for months - like being sad and teary almost all the time (and some still think it wasn't enough). I was actually relieved when she started coming out of that because it was hard to watch her be that devastated constantly.
But, I do agree that the writing has probably missed the boat a little on showing Chad still missing her. But those are subtle touches that this show doesn't do well, so I guess I'd say not to take it as meaning anything, really. Unless you are Daniel, you are kind of forgotten after the whole death thing. ;)
And yeah, they could have gone other directions, I'm sure. But I still contend that if you have to have Dena as you're writer, going in another direction is far scarier. :)
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Oct 27 2016, 12:57 PM
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Sadly for me apathy has set in with Days right now. I just wished I could feel more of a connection between characters on this show. I like Chad, just not interested in his so-called story right now. Maybe that will pick up once he starts to suspect his wife is alive. I really wish they would pair Eduardo will someone I liked because AM has always been a actor I've liked.
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Oct 27 2016, 12:58 PM
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Thanks, I do agree Chad is lonely. Gabi doesn't sound like she's seeking out Chad. It seems to be more on Chad's side. The shipper in me wanted the last scene to only be about Thomas and Abby, but with the flower touch it became about Gabi too, at least a little bit. I just wish Chad would mention Abby more and how much he misses her too. He was all about grieving her when she first died and no, I don't want him miserable. But for the last month or so he really hasn't acted or vocalize that he misses her. When he doesn't talk about her until someone brings her name up and is happy with Gabi, Andre, or whoever my emotional (not rational) reaction is that he is over her and has forgotten her. Maybe it's too painful for him to think about Abby, but I haven't seen any indication of that onscreen. It doesn't sit well with me how fast this is happening after Abby's "death", so that bugs me but I know they wanted to make a story for when Abby comes back (though I think there were other routes they could have taken).
How long somebody "mourns" on a soap is a double-edged sword. I mean, I watched Kayla mourn for months - like being sad and teary almost all the time (and some still think it wasn't enough). I was actually relieved when she started coming out of that because it was hard to watch her be that devastated constantly. But, I do agree that the writing has probably missed the boat a little on showing Chad still missing her. But those are subtle touches that this show doesn't do well, so I guess I'd say not to take it as meaning anything, really. Unless you are Daniel, you are kind of forgotten after the whole death thing. ;)And yeah, they could have gone other directions, I'm sure. But I still contend that if you have to have Dena as you're writer, going in another direction is far scarier. :) I hate the timing. They rushed together the 'Abby is dead', wrapped the Ciara stuff and jumped into Chad Gabi all to meet the deadline of Abby's return. Which will end up being like barely two months from when she died.
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Oct 27 2016, 01:04 PM
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How long somebody "mourns" on a soap is a double-edged sword. I mean, I watched Kayla mourn for months - like being sad and teary almost all the time (and some still think it wasn't enough). I was actually relieved when she started coming out of that because it was hard to watch her be that devastated constantly. But, I do agree that the writing has probably missed the boat a little on showing Chad still missing her. But those are subtle touches that this show doesn't do well, so I guess I'd say not to take it as meaning anything, really. Unless you are Daniel, you are kind of forgotten after the whole death thing. ;)And yeah, they could have gone other directions, I'm sure. But I still contend that if you have to have Dena as you're writer, going in another direction is far scarier. :)
I hate the timing. They rushed together the 'Abby is dead', wrapped the Ciara stuff and jumped into Chad Gabi all to meet the deadline of Abby's return. Which will end up being like barely two months from when she died. Oh, I agree. Don't mistake my posts for contending that this is a "good" storyline. I mean, I think it has elements that could be good, but there are a lot of not so good things about it too. One is how fast they are pushing this, although I still don't know if Abby's return is when everybody finds out Abby is alive, or whether that drags out further. If they drag the actual reveal to the characters out further (thereby dragging out when Chad and Gabi actually do "something"), then the timing might be a little less of an issue.
It also suffers from the failure to really set up JJ and Gabi as a committed couple. A few scenes here and there after months of pretty much nothing don't really do that. And that makes Gabi's friendship with Chad feel more like a flirtation/attraction than I believe it was really intended to be.
And, lastly, it suffers from knowing that Abby really is alive, IMO. If we had no idea (which is kind of an impossibility in this day and age) and really thought she was gone, I think Chad's actions/feelings would get a little more sympathy, or at least understanding.
So yeah, the timing is not good and it's not nearly as well developed as it could be.
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