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Tuesday, November 1st Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Oct 31 2016, 06:38 PM (14,751 Views)
PetrovaSalvatore
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

lysie
Nov 1 2016, 06:42 PM
Amy1970
Nov 1 2016, 06:41 PM
Kinay
Nov 1 2016, 06:21 PM

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I guess I am confusing pity with justice. Hope deserves to be punished because Stefano was not threatening her at the time. His misdeeds although many did not come to play in this instance. He was a weak man in a wheel chair that she shot.

I feel sorry for Hope because of all the hell Stefano put her through the years but as another poster on this board always states the bad guys always win. Stefano did win in the end, he repeatedly destroyed her life along with Marlena's, Roman's, John's and never spent more than a nano-second in jail. Andre hired an Aiden look a like to try and kill her but since it can't be proven, he gets to skip merrily along his way to continue to wreak havoc.

As for the comparison to Abby, why didn't Abby call the police before she tried to light him on fire? Wasn't Ben tied up and no threat at that point. Abby snapped under the strain. Somewhat similar.
Because she was batshit crazy.
Well you could argue that Hope was batshit crazy when she shot Stefano, look at all things she had gone through? Her newfound husband tries to kill her, she's saved by her ex-husband and love of her life who reveals he was imprisoned for 2 yrs and he dies in her arms!! later she discovers that her worst and sworn enemy who had terrorized her for YEARS and YEARS, literally 3 decades, a man who they were never able to nail, who slithered away like a cockroach from every single time they though they had the goods on him and rose from the ashes every time they believed he'd died was the one responsible for Bo's imprisonment and insulted her, insulted Bo's memory and was goaded her.. In her mind, that piece of scum was still alive, sitting there, practically admitting it and Bo Brady, her husband, father of her children, one of the best people in Salem, one of their greatest hero was dead!!! She snapped and it was completely understandable!

However if they wanted to write as PTSD or temporary insanity they should've written it that way. Instead they used what could've been a great story into a story propping Rafe and Hope as a couple.
Edited by PetrovaSalvatore, Nov 1 2016, 07:19 PM.
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funone
Nov 1 2016, 05:59 PM
Is it who or whom? Lol
Who refers to people("He who laughs last")
Whom is used when an object of the verb or preposition relevant to a person ("To whom IT may concern")

Simple trick: Replace "Who" with "he" or "she" & "whom" with "him" or "her"

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Nanalora


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Nov 1 2016, 07:08 PM
laurondo
Nov 1 2016, 06:05 PM
The Derrick, Paul and Sonny scenes are so cringeworthy. That time off did Freddie no favors, jeez.
Without Will, the flaws and weaknesses of the Sonny character & the forced pairing of PaulSon are becoming glaringly obvious. Both are so full of holes there's almost nothing there. I'd rather Sonny go back to Paris & they pair up Paul & Derrick ( tho' they'd have to do some work on Derrick)
I actually have wanted Paul and Sonny together from the first time Paul showed up. I wish the writers knew how to write for them better. I think Derrick may be there to push them together. I don't think he will be there long.
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Kinay
Nov 1 2016, 07:06 PM
Tammy
Nov 1 2016, 06:58 PM
Let face it... IMO there is no comparison.

Abby had a mental breakdown caused by a man who tried to kill her, set her on fire and take her baby. It wasn't long after these event's that she tried to kill him... because she lost her mind!

Stefano did torture Hope for YEARS... but she never took revenge AT THE TIME! Hope was facing a man in a wheelchair, who called her a, and I'm paraphrasing, "Predictable Coward... and her dead husband too..." and she shot him.

Hope should go to jail... I just wish she was taking Rafe and Roman with her.

And when all is said and done... it should have been John and/or Marlena who killed Stefano when he was a fully functioning psycho! :thumbsup: ;)
He was still a full functioning psycho at the time of his death and this line of Chad's that he was a changed man is BS!
I totally agree, so he changed in the month between hiring the Aiden look a like to try and kill her. He was a psychopath and just because the writers had him wandering around HTS the last few years does not change the heinous crimes he committed over the years.
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PetrovaSalvatore
Nov 1 2016, 07:15 PM
lysie
Nov 1 2016, 06:42 PM
Amy1970
Nov 1 2016, 06:41 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepAs for the comparison to Abby, why didn't Abby call the police before she tried to light him on fire? Wasn't Ben tied up and no threat at that point. Abby snapped under the strain. Somewhat similar.
Because she was batshit crazy.
Well you could argue that Hope was batshit crazy when she shot Stefano, look at all things she had gone through? Her newfound husband tries to kill her, she's saved by her ex-husband and love of her life who reveals he was imprisoned for 2 yrs and he dies in her arms!! later she discovers that her worst and sworn enemy who had terrorized her for YEARS and YEARS, literally 3 decades, a man who they were never able to nail, who slithered away like a cockroach from every single time they though they had the goods on him and rose from the ashes every time they believed he'd died was the one responsible for Bo's imprisonment and insulted her, insulted Bo's memory and was goading her.. In her mind, that piece of scum was still alive, sitting there, practically admitting it and Bo Brady, her husband, father of her children, one of the best people in Salem, one of their greatest hero was dead!!! She snapped and it was completely understandable!

However if they wanted to write as PTSD or temporary insanity they should've written it that way. Instead they used what could've been a great story into a story propping Rafe and Hope as a couple.
You could. I've already acknowledged her own insanity issues. But she wasn't hallucinating, so it wasn't anything to the degree of Abby.

Y'all don't have to keep telling us what all Stefano has done. We're quite aware.
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Lovejm


The issues with quick wrap up aside, Claire and joey should have been somewhere freaking out about Marlena and Kayla. Things like that just never happen on this show. John and Steve and a side of Paul were the only people who knew and cared. Not including Andre. He'll use it for a favor later.
Edited by Lovejm, Nov 1 2016, 07:23 PM.
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Justin91
Nov 1 2016, 07:07 PM
I loved today's episode! Haven't been able to say that in ages.

Great scenes between Hope and Chad. Billy Flynn was wonderful.

DAYS is a show that benefits from action and today is a perfect example of why. These were easily the best scenes Orpheus has been given since his return, and the way it was done was extremely engaging and more believable then it has been in the past.

Rafe is absolutely incredible. He is truly a horrible person. Still a big fat no to Rope... but I love that Hope has been exposed and while I'm sure her and Rafe will win in the end, I like seeing them under much deserved hot water. I still hope that it is revealed that Hope didn't actually kill Stefano and that someone else did. I think that was a huge mistake to turn her into a cold-blooded murder. So out of character.

I even didn't mind the scenes with Sonny, Paul, and Derek. It was light and actually kind of fun. And hot damn did Derek look great in that cowboy costume, not even going to lie.

Overall a great episode. I wish the show could be more consistent in delivering them.
It's Halloween & it was meant to be fun...And it actually was...but...am I the only one that had Village People flashbacks?.....lolol
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Nov 1 2016, 07:08 PM
laurondo
Nov 1 2016, 06:05 PM
The Derrick, Paul and Sonny scenes are so cringeworthy. That time off did Freddie no favors, jeez.
Without Will, the flaws and weaknesses of the Sonny character & the forced pairing of PaulSon are becoming glaringly obvious. Both are so full of holes there's almost nothing there. I'd rather Sonny go back to Paris & they pair up Paul & Derrick ( tho' they'd have to do some work on Derrick)
I disagree that they're a forced pairing. I also think Freddie was fine without having Will (Chandler or Guy) around. I actually ended up preferring him without having Will around, lol. I just think the time off that Freddie took made him really... out of practice.

I dislike Derrick so much I would hate him with Paul.
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Amy1970
Nov 1 2016, 07:18 PM
Kinay
Nov 1 2016, 07:06 PM
Tammy
Nov 1 2016, 06:58 PM
Let face it... IMO there is no comparison.

Abby had a mental breakdown caused by a man who tried to kill her, set her on fire and take her baby. It wasn't long after these event's that she tried to kill him... because she lost her mind!

Stefano did torture Hope for YEARS... but she never took revenge AT THE TIME! Hope was facing a man in a wheelchair, who called her a, and I'm paraphrasing, "Predictable Coward... and her dead husband too..." and she shot him.

Hope should go to jail... I just wish she was taking Rafe and Roman with her.

And when all is said and done... it should have been John and/or Marlena who killed Stefano when he was a fully functioning psycho! :thumbsup: ;)
He was still a full functioning psycho at the time of his death and this line of Chad's that he was a changed man is BS!
I totally agree, so he changed in the month between hiring the Aiden look a like to try and kill her. He was a psychopath and just because the writers had him wandering around HTS the last few years does not change the heinous crimes he committed over the years.
No one's really excusing the things he did in the past.

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Amy1970
Nov 1 2016, 07:18 PM
Kinay
Nov 1 2016, 07:06 PM
Tammy
Nov 1 2016, 06:58 PM
Let face it... IMO there is no comparison.

Abby had a mental breakdown caused by a man who tried to kill her, set her on fire and take her baby. It wasn't long after these event's that she tried to kill him... because she lost her mind!

Stefano did torture Hope for YEARS... but she never took revenge AT THE TIME! Hope was facing a man in a wheelchair, who called her a, and I'm paraphrasing, "Predictable Coward... and her dead husband too..." and she shot him.

Hope should go to jail... I just wish she was taking Rafe and Roman with her.

And when all is said and done... it should have been John and/or Marlena who killed Stefano when he was a fully functioning psycho! :thumbsup: ;)
He was still a full functioning psycho at the time of his death and this line of Chad's that he was a changed man is BS!
I totally agree, so he changed in the month between hiring the Aiden look a like to try and kill her. He was a psychopath and just because the writers had him wandering around HTS the last few years does not change the heinous crimes he committed over the years.
That's right! I've waited years to see that man get what's coming to him and he finally did so no I don't care if whoever did it gets away with it!
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laurondo
Nov 1 2016, 07:39 PM
HoritaFan
Nov 1 2016, 07:08 PM
laurondo
Nov 1 2016, 06:05 PM
The Derrick, Paul and Sonny scenes are so cringeworthy. That time off did Freddie no favors, jeez.
Without Will, the flaws and weaknesses of the Sonny character & the forced pairing of PaulSon are becoming glaringly obvious. Both are so full of holes there's almost nothing there. I'd rather Sonny go back to Paris & they pair up Paul & Derrick ( tho' they'd have to do some work on Derrick)
I disagree that they're a forced pairing. I also think Freddie was fine without having Will (Chandler or Guy) around. I actually ended up preferring him without having Will around, lol. I just think the time off that Freddie took made him really... out of practice.

I dislike Derrick so much I would hate him with Paul.
I don't think they are a force pairing either. I actually ended up preferring Sonny without Will around also. I am really not a fan of Derrick either.
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Marlena shot Stefano right in the stomach once, and he fell off a balcony and was presumed dead. She had a trial and didn't go to prison. The way to make Hope OK again is to revise the story so that Stefano isn't dead; it was a double or he was wearing a bulletproof vest, he escaped from the rubble where they took him, and he's been hiding all this time. I mean I realize the actor is not coming back due to health. The character can be said to be in Europe or wherever, and there is no need to bring the actor back to prove Stefano is alive. But Hope would then be free and the Phoenix would rise again.
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aspidistra
Nov 1 2016, 08:03 PM
Marlena shot Stefano right in the stomach once, and he fell off a balcony and was presumed dead. She had a trial and didn't go to prison. The way to make Hope OK again is to revise the story so that Stefano isn't dead; it was a double or he was wearing a bulletproof vest, he escaped from the rubble where they took him, and he's been hiding all this time. I mean I realize the actor is not coming back due to health. The character can be said to be in Europe or wherever, and there is no need to bring the actor back to prove Stefano is alive. But Hope would then be free and the Phoenix would rise again.
There's a difference. Marlena took responsibility. Not a year later, immediately. Stefano had just tormented her and her family for three years. He had fixated on them, on her. He had killed Roman months earlier, kidnapped her infant twins with the full intent to raise them. He told her he was going to have Roman's family as his family one way or the other, so she could be a part of it or she could be without two of her children. So she took away a persistent and current threat to her family. And then, she was arrested. She didn't run. She took responsibility. And several people, SEVERAL (as in, pretty much everyone except Hart Bennett), hailed her as a hero for it. They accepted, even excused it away. Said she did everyone a favor, that he had tortured them for too long, and that she should get away, if nothing else, on reason of temporary insanity. None of them helped cover it up, and Marlena would not have let them, nor even considered it for a second. Marlena was the one who said "I did it, I'm prepared to take whatever comes." She was terrified of what was going to happen, but she felt she had done what she could do right then to keep Carrie and the twins safe from harm. She was ready for jail.

While I hate that Hope got to kill Stefano, my issue is less that she did it and more with the aftermath. The act can be explained, the handling of it and her behavior after the fact cannot IMO. Not if she's going to remain the heroine they show tries to portray her as. And I have just as many issues with Rafe and RoRo about it. So even having him be alive wouldn't take away how Hope acted after it.
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Holy crap that was a ridiculously disjointed episode. I was certain we just wouldn't see John. Then we see him in a couple random scenes. No Marlena/John reunion. And Orpheus is just dead again?

You have to wonder what this all was supposed to look like really.

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Thank you JCP.

I wish someone could tell us what the original rescue was suppose to look like.

Bo wanted Victor to go after the people that did it to him and make them pay. He wanted Hope to go on with her life and be happy. Hope imagined that ghost Bo wanted revenge.
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I love the tone Chad used with Hope. He didn't yell or scream. He listened. He was fair. He even understood that years of enduring Stefano's treatment was a big factor in her actions. But he didn't excuse her. What she did ISN'T okay. He nailed her on all of her actions, and he did a good job of it.

He wasn't cruel or vicious or demanding retribution, but he told it like it was. He was really terrific.
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I actually really enjoyed the Chad and Hope scene. They can both act, and it comes through. Chad was really, very nice.

I'm enjoying Paul being a go-to for our heroes. A new hero in the making! Maybe. He's at least not an idiot.

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aspidistra
Nov 1 2016, 08:03 PM
Marlena shot Stefano right in the stomach once, and he fell off a balcony and was presumed dead. She had a trial and didn't go to prison. The way to make Hope OK again is to revise the story so that Stefano isn't dead; it was a double or he was wearing a bulletproof vest, he escaped from the rubble where they took him, and he's been hiding all this time. I mean I realize the actor is not coming back due to health. The character can be said to be in Europe or wherever, and there is no need to bring the actor back to prove Stefano is alive. But Hope would then be free and the Phoenix would rise again.
I think they accidentally have a decent set-up for making it a set-up (I can't word that any better) from Stefano. That doesn't help how they handled the aftermath, but it does kind of negate it in general.
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aspidistra
Nov 1 2016, 08:03 PM
Marlena shot Stefano right in the stomach once, and he fell off a balcony and was presumed dead. She had a trial and didn't go to prison. The way to make Hope OK again is to revise the story so that Stefano isn't dead; it was a double or he was wearing a bulletproof vest, he escaped from the rubble where they took him, and he's been hiding all this time. I mean I realize the actor is not coming back due to health. The character can be said to be in Europe or wherever, and there is no need to bring the actor back to prove Stefano is alive. But Hope would then be free and the Phoenix would rise again.
I think she's still guilty of attempted murder. The person being alive doesn't actually mitigate trying to kill them.

Hope covered up the crime - Stefano turning up alive and well - doesn't redeem her character.
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Heroines don't murder a old man then cover it up with help from the police department. She was smug at times afterwards. I do not buy her PTSD BS...Rafe is a corrupt POS but in the end she chose to go along with it all. Even if Stefano was alive..she could never be redeemed for me..and this ROPE crap makes me hate her and Rafe even more.
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