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Thursday, November 3rd Episode Discussion
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Nov 4 2016, 07:20 AM
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Nov 3 2016, 10:01 PM
IDK anything about AZ and Dena being friends but AZ did say this about Dena during the reset in 2011. This was interesting at the time, because we were hearing a lot about how happy the cast was to have Dena gone. (this was to DR at the HTS sneak peak)

Part of the show reinventing itself was the firing of headwriter Dena Higley. Zucker tells us she always hates to see someone be fired, and she was particularly sad about Higley. “She wrote my character really well. I got spoiled. I appreciate that because for the first 8 years I was on the show, I was written as either comic relief or as a wedge between somebody. She gave Nicole her own story, and I am very grateful for that.”


Meanwhile, I think Dena and Judi Evans might be friends. One of Dena's daughters has a pic of herself with the two of them with the caption "Some of my favorite people."
I've seen nothing to suggest they're friends outside of work, but if they are I don't think it reflects negatively on Ari as has been implied several times in this thread. Every writer has their favorites that they like to write for, I don't think that gives those actors the power to dictate their storylines. Several actors have benefitted from the change from Josh to Dena......JE, BD, WK, MR, JR to name some, I won't even include Ari in that list because I don't feel she has gained much as of yet. Josh had his "pets" and those actors dominated the show for months while he was in control. I'm glad that so far Dena/Ryan have a much more balanced show.

Dena wrote some great stuff for Ari/Nicole in the baby switch storyline, so I can see Ari speaking about her during that time in a positive way.
About Dena being good about giving some other characters a story, I have a few thoughts. I think the show is slightly more balanced now (although very vet heavy during the villains) but not nearly as one sided as it was during Josh.

That being said, Lucas and Adrianne and Justin have had like two episodes setting up this big triangle for a November sweeps wedding. Giving recurring characters that big a story when you don't plan on really using them doesn't do the characters or the story justice. I feel the same way about Abe's stuff. JR is on contract but his guarantee can't possible be enough that this isn't spotty the way it has been.

Lastly about Nicole. I don't think Dena's done her a lot of favors so far. Especially if she takes Deimos back. She's looked foolish enough already and now there's more daniel wailing coming.
I agree about the lack of set-up for this Justin/Adrienne/annoying finance story. I think that's what is so frustrating to me is that it's a total filler story. We should have had a lot more set-up after the two annoying lovebirds got engaged. But there was a huge gap between that. And we should have gotten Justin's reaction when he learned about the engagement. Hell, I wanted to see Adrienne waver on the whole thing, and showed more of Justin's feelings about his ex-wife. The pacing of it all sucks. If they really wanted to make this a big for Novemeber, the set-up should have been a lot better, but we taking about Dena and Ryan here, why should I be surprised this story is all jacked up. But as fan of Wally(Justin) and Justin/Adrienne- I sadly have to take what I can. I don't understand why they were put on contract and then taken off last year? That still boggles my mind. I blame that on Josh for not wanting to write for my favs.

I also agree, that it does seem to be more balanced now than it was a year ago. That's a plus lol.
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About Dena being good about giving some other characters a story, I have a few thoughts. I think the show is slightly more balanced now (although very vet heavy during the villains) but not nearly as one sided as it was during Josh.

That being said, Lucas and Adrianne and Justin have had like two episodes setting up this big triangle for a November sweeps wedding. Giving recurring characters that big a story when you don't plan on really using them doesn't do the characters or the story justice. I feel the same way about Abe's stuff. JR is on contract but his guarantee can't possible be enough that this isn't spotty the way it has been.

Lastly about Nicole. I don't think Dena's done her a lot of favors so far. Especially if she takes Deimos back. She's looked foolish enough already and now there's more daniel wailing coming.
I agree about the lack of set-up for this Justin/Adrienne/annoying finance story. I think that's what is so frustrating to me is that it's a total filler story. We should have had a lot more set-up after the two annoying lovebirds got engaged. But there was a huge gap between that. And we should have gotten Justin's reaction when he learned about the engagement. Hell, I wanted to see Adrienne waver on the whole thing, and showed more of Justin's feelings about his ex-wife. The pacing of it all sucks. If they really wanted to make this a big for Novemeber, the set-up should have been a lot better, but we taking about Dena and Ryan here, why should I be surprised this story is all jacked up. But as fan of Wally(Justin) and Justin/Adrienne- I sadly have to take what I can. I don't understand why they were put on contract and then taken off last year? That still boggles my mind. I blame that on Josh for not wanting to write for my favs.

I do understand some people's frustration over the writers focusing more on some of the recurring characters, but i figure it won't last long, and some of the contract players will be back on the screen and my fav will be put back on the shelf for awhile afterwards. I understand the frustration. But as a fan of a recurring character I will take what I can . It sucks, but it's all I can do.

I totally think that Josh was the reason why Wally and Judi got taken off contract, and Greg fired. So glad he is gone!

The show very well may have wanted to put Wally back on contract, I don't know, but I think he'd be wise to stay recurring so that he can do both shows. He's gotten more airtime with Days while not on contract in the past year, and he gets to do GH too.

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About Dena being good about giving some other characters a story, I have a few thoughts. I think the show is slightly more balanced now (although very vet heavy during the villains) but not nearly as one sided as it was during Josh.

That being said, Lucas and Adrianne and Justin have had like two episodes setting up this big triangle for a November sweeps wedding. Giving recurring characters that big a story when you don't plan on really using them doesn't do the characters or the story justice. I feel the same way about Abe's stuff. JR is on contract but his guarantee can't possible be enough that this isn't spotty the way it has been.

Lastly about Nicole. I don't think Dena's done her a lot of favors so far. Especially if she takes Deimos back. She's looked foolish enough already and now there's more daniel wailing coming.
I agree about the lack of set-up for this Justin/Adrienne/annoying finance story. I think that's what is so frustrating to me is that it's a total filler story. We should have had a lot more set-up after the two annoying lovebirds got engaged. But there was a huge gap between that. And we should have gotten Justin's reaction when he learned about the engagement. Hell, I wanted to see Adrienne waver on the whole thing, and showed more of Justin's feelings about his ex-wife. The pacing of it all sucks. If they really wanted to make this a big for Novemeber, the set-up should have been a lot better, but we taking about Dena and Ryan here, why should I be surprised this story is all jacked up. But as fan of Wally(Justin) and Justin/Adrienne- I sadly have to take what I can. I don't understand why they were put on contract and then taken off last year? That still boggles my mind. I blame that on Josh for not wanting to write for my favs.

I also agree, that it does seem to be more balanced now than it was a year ago. That's a plus lol.
Yea Dena clearly wanted to tell this story. She started it last year. But I get your frustration about how spotty it is.
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I agree about the lack of set-up for this Justin/Adrienne/annoying finance story. I think that's what is so frustrating to me is that it's a total filler story. We should have had a lot more set-up after the two annoying lovebirds got engaged. But there was a huge gap between that. And we should have gotten Justin's reaction when he learned about the engagement. Hell, I wanted to see Adrienne waver on the whole thing, and showed more of Justin's feelings about his ex-wife. The pacing of it all sucks. If they really wanted to make this a big for Novemeber, the set-up should have been a lot better, but we taking about Dena and Ryan here, why should I be surprised this story is all jacked up. But as fan of Wally(Justin) and Justin/Adrienne- I sadly have to take what I can. I don't understand why they were put on contract and then taken off last year? That still boggles my mind. I blame that on Josh for not wanting to write for my favs.

I do understand some people's frustration over the writers focusing more on some of the recurring characters, but i figure it won't last long, and some of the contract players will be back on the screen and my fav will be put back on the shelf for awhile afterwards. I understand the frustration. But as a fan of a recurring character I will take what I can . It sucks, but it's all I can do.

I totally think that Josh was the reason why Wally and Judi got taken off contract, and Greg fired. So glad he is gone!

The show very well may have wanted to put Wally back on contract, I don't know, but I think he'd be wise to stay recurring so that he can do both shows. He's gotten more airtime with Days while not on contract in the past year, and he gets to do GH too.

I agree that it was Josh. Why I was happy to see him gone. Yeah, I'm all for Wally doing both shows. That's the main reason I don't want him back on contract.

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It's not really hard for me to believe that AZ may have had some say in this baby storyline. Ryan and Dena have made it very clear they love the character of Nicole and want her front and center. I'm sure they would listen to her ideas. DH and AZ holding hands is just creepy.

I've been getting shady bitch vibes from AZ for a while now. There's been plenty of bts rumblings of her antics. The rumors from last year about her being the one to put a stop to Ericole because she wanted Dicole and then a few years ago the rumors of her trying to get NB fired.

It seems like Ari might be taking Ali's crown as the new diva of days. Not a good look Ari.

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I hate this baby storyline, but I really don't understand how it suddenly becomes Ari's fault. Even if she, in some way, suggested the idea (which there is ABSOLUTELY no evidence of), it's still on the writers and/or producers for doing it. Unless there is actual evidence that Ari blackmailed them or something, there is nothing preventing TPTB from simply saying no, that's a horrible idea. Or, more politely, thanks for your suggestion but we've got some other things in the works.

The same applies to the Ericole stuff. I mean, I may not like the idea that Ari wanted Nicole to go in a different direction, but it's still not her fault if the writers bowed to her wishes (again, unless there is evidence that she was blackmailing them in some way). And I felt the same way when people blamed AS for the AS's real-life pregnancy being written in. She may have asked for it, but it's the show's responsibility to say no when it is a bad idea.

None of this is to suggest that you can't dislike Ari because you think she's suggesting/favoring stories you don't like. But it, in no way, lets the writers or producers off the hook. Wanting this storyline (assuming that is even true) makes me question Ari's judgment, but it doesn't make her responsible for it.
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Nov 4 2016, 11:21 AM
I hate this baby storyline, but I really don't understand how it suddenly becomes Ari's fault. Even if she, in some way, suggested the idea (which there is ABSOLUTELY no evidence of), it's still on the writers and/or producers for doing it. Unless there is actual evidence that Ari blackmailed them or something, there is nothing preventing TPTB from simply saying no, that's a horrible idea. Or, more politely, thanks for your suggestion but we've got some other things in the works.

The same applies to the Ericole stuff. I mean, I may not like the idea that Ari wanted Nicole to go in a different direction, but it's still not her fault if the writers bowed to her wishes (again, unless there is evidence that she was blackmailing them in some way). And I felt the same way when people blamed AS for the AS's real-life pregnancy being written in. She may have asked for it, but it's the show's responsibility to say no when it is a bad idea.

None of this is to suggest that you can't dislike Ari because you think she's suggesting/favoring stories you don't like. But it, in no way, lets the writers or producers off the hook. Wanting this storyline (assuming that is even true) makes me question Ari's judgment, but it doesn't make her responsible for it.
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IDK anything about AZ and Dena being friends but AZ did say this about Dena during the reset in 2011. This was interesting at the time, because we were hearing a lot about how happy the cast was to have Dena gone. (this was to DR at the HTS sneak peak)

Part of the show reinventing itself was the firing of headwriter Dena Higley. Zucker tells us she always hates to see someone be fired, and she was particularly sad about Higley. “She wrote my character really well. I got spoiled. I appreciate that because for the first 8 years I was on the show, I was written as either comic relief or as a wedge between somebody. She gave Nicole her own story, and I am very grateful for that.”


Meanwhile, I think Dena and Judi Evans might be friends. One of Dena's daughters has a pic of herself with the two of them with the caption "Some of my favorite people."
Unfortunately, I have to agree with Arianne Zucker about Dena writing her character(Nicole) really well.
As for Dena & Judi Evans(Adrienne) being friends...if it means we'll see more of her and most importantly
more of Justin, Lucas and Jennifer, I'm all for it! These characters have been ignored long enough!


If AZ pushed for the current story, her taste is terrible and her wishes should have been ignored. But the quotes that have been brought up in this thread... that she loves her boyfriend and appreciated her character's signature story... aren't proof positive that she likes the current stuff, let alone authored it.

I don't know AZ's true feelings, but she did mention in SID that she thinks this story might top the the baby switch/Sydnapping story for her. I'm not saying it's her fault, but she seems to like the story.
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If AZ pushed for the current story, her taste is terrible and her wishes should have been ignored. But the quotes that have been brought up in this thread... that she loves her boyfriend and appreciated her character's signature story... aren't proof positive that she likes the current stuff, let alone authored it.

I don't know AZ's true feelings, but she did mention in SID that she thinks this story might top the the baby switch/Sydnapping story for her. I'm not saying it's her fault, but she seems to like the story.
It may be true, or it might be Ari doing her thing and selling a story. If it's true, then - again - I totally question her judgment but she wouldn't be the first actor or actress to love a storyline that I hated. Even my favorites have done that once or twice. What constitutes something challenging or fun for an actor/actress might not always translate to a good story onscreen. But whether she loves it or hates it, it's still on the writers.
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If AZ pushed for the current story, her taste is terrible and her wishes should have been ignored. But the quotes that have been brought up in this thread... that she loves her boyfriend and appreciated her character's signature story... aren't proof positive that she likes the current stuff, let alone authored it.

I don't know AZ's true feelings, but she did mention in SID that she thinks this story might top the the baby switch/Sydnapping story for her. I'm not saying it's her fault, but she seems to like the story.
Recently? She said that last year at DoD.

I don't happen to agree that she's had any story that has been better than the baby switch, but I don't fault her for having her own opinion on Nicole's storylines. I think lots of actors are crazy for liking certain stories or pairings that I thought sucked.
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I don't know AZ's true feelings, but she did mention in SID that she thinks this story might top the the baby switch/Sydnapping story for her. I'm not saying it's her fault, but she seems to like the story.
It may be true, or it might be Ari doing her thing and selling a story. If it's true, then - again - I totally question her judgment but she wouldn't be the first actor or actress to love a storyline that I hated. Even my favorites have done that once or twice. What constitutes something challenging or fun for an actor/actress might not always translate to a good story onscreen. But whether she loves it or hates it, it's still on the writers.
Right, I said it wasn't her fault.

KLK, I read it several months ago in an interview Ari did with SID.

I agree she is hardly the only actress/actor to have bad taste and she absolutely has a right to her opinion. The thing for me is that this isn't just once or twice. She has invoked Daniel and Maggie repeatedly in articles. I disagree with what she has said.
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Good or bad, Ari is privy to more story than us due to the tape to air schedule. There may be many haters now who end up lovers of the storyline.
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KLK, I read it several months ago in an interview Ari did with SID.

I agree she is hardly the only actress/actor to have bad taste and she absolutely has a right to her opinion. The thing for me is that this isn't just once or twice. She has invoked Daniel and Maggie repeatedly in articles. I disagree with what she has said.
Thanks, I guess she considers this all part of the same storyline that she started with VI/Deimos a year ago.

Unfortunately he has been in her story for a long time, I wouldn't expect her not to bring him up. And as much as I hate it and them, these idiot writers have written him as the love of her life, at least as of now. If they ever let her completely move on, I would expect her comments to reflect that.

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Aside whose idea was to give Nicole Daniel's baby, who went along with it and who are holding hands, it's really bizarre to give such an irrelevant character a baby(anyone cares about Jonas family?), not to mention to a dead person, who was dead almost an year( to me he was dead the day he groped Chloe). It's like he's popping kids left and right, even Sami can not top this.
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Aside whose idea was to give Nicole Daniel's baby, who went along with it and who are holding hands, it's really bizarre to give such an irrelevant character a baby(anyone cares about Jonas family?), not to mention to a dead person, who was dead almost a year( to me he was dead the day he groped Chloe). It's like he's popping the kids left and right, even Sami can not top this.
I don't believe that Daniel is the father, I've never believed that this baby (if it was indeed Nicole's), would be Daniel's.

Multiple people from Days have said that there are lots of twists and turns with this story.
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TBH, I have less of an issue with the fact that Daniel is the father than I do with the story itself. If this were something they had actually set up last fall, fine. I don't care for the retcon of it (or anything really) and I wouldn't like it no matter who the father is...which is why changing it to Eric or Brady or whoever else also wouldn't really help it for me. I'm definitely not thrilled about having to see Daniel's face again or having to hear even more about Saint Daniel and his amazing love for Nicole, but even without that, this story is AWFUL. Chloe should have been talking to another human being. Maggie/Deimos was dreadful. I regularly want to just pummel Nicole in the face.

Meanwhile, Theresa's story would have actually been a relatively decent backstory if it had been what they'd done originally. But it doesn't really jive with what we already know, they're jumping into it way too quickly, and ...JL just can't pull it off. Victor's sudden change of heart today made NO sense, and I just don't care enough about Theresa to excuse any of that. Plus I don't believe for a second that anyone that's ever met her would want her back. Also it made me laugh that Mateo got into the super safe Kiriakis fortress.

I'm good with Jennifer and The Spectator, but I just can't with Adrienne. And Justin's tantrum was annoying.
I won't even go there with Chloe's baby story, I won't watch for sure.

Now about Justin and Adrienne, I am "All IN" for sure, can't wait. It is about time that these two actors will be given a story. They can still push each other's buttons, that's love baby, can't wait for their passionate scenes that will erupt with their ongoing story.



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TBH, I have less of an issue with the fact that Daniel is the father than I do with the story itself. If this were something they had actually set up last fall, fine. I don't care for the retcon of it (or anything really) and I wouldn't like it no matter who the father is...which is why changing it to Eric or Brady or whoever else also wouldn't really help it for me. I'm definitely not thrilled about having to see Daniel's face again or having to hear even more about Saint Daniel and his amazing love for Nicole, but even without that, this story is AWFUL. Chloe should have been talking to another human being. Maggie/Deimos was dreadful. I regularly want to just pummel Nicole in the face.

Meanwhile, Theresa's story would have actually been a relatively decent backstory if it had been what they'd done originally. But it doesn't really jive with what we already know, they're jumping into it way too quickly, and ...JL just can't pull it off. Victor's sudden change of heart today made NO sense, and I just don't care enough about Theresa to excuse any of that. Plus I don't believe for a second that anyone that's ever met her would want her back. Also it made me laugh that Mateo got into the super safe Kiriakis fortress.

I'm good with Jennifer and The Spectator, but I just can't with Adrienne. And Justin's tantrum was annoying.
I won't even go there with Chloe's baby story, I won't watch for sure.

Now about Justin and Adrienne, I am "All IN" for sure, can't wait. It is about time that these two actors will be given a story. They can still push each other's buttons, that's love baby, can't wait for their passionate scenes that will erupt with their ongoing story.



But that's the thing...they don't really have a story. They have a couple of scenes every now and then. Adrienne has, like, three things happening - which is bizarre because she's not on enough for them to give any focus to any of those three things. I don't like Adrienne, so that's not exactly a complaint, but what's the point of even starting this stuff if they're not going to actually give it the time it needs to play out?
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I agree about the lack of set-up for this Justin/Adrienne/annoying finance story. I think that's what is so frustrating to me is that it's a total filler story. We should have had a lot more set-up after the two annoying lovebirds got engaged. But there was a huge gap between that. And we should have gotten Justin's reaction when he learned about the engagement. Hell, I wanted to see Adrienne waver on the whole thing, and showed more of Justin's feelings about his ex-wife. The pacing of it all sucks. If they really wanted to make this a big for Novemeber, the set-up should have been a lot better, but we taking about Dena and Ryan here, why should I be surprised this story is all jacked up. But as fan of Wally(Justin) and Justin/Adrienne- I sadly have to take what I can. I don't understand why they were put on contract and then taken off last year? That still boggles my mind. I blame that on Josh for not wanting to write for my favs.

I also agree, that it does seem to be more balanced now than it was a year ago. That's a plus lol.
Yea Dena clearly wanted to tell this story. She started it last year. But I get your frustration about how spotty it is.
My opinion is that the characters of Justin and Adrienne Kiriakis should be a front burner couple.

I agree with you and I feel cheated that we were not given any set-up to J/A and L's upcoming story long before and after Lucas & Adrienne got engaged (as ridiculous as it was). Your right that J & A had only two episodes setting up this November triangle, while I was so disappointed, at the same time the writers haven't been fair to J/A and L and to their loyal fans who really love and care about these three long-standing characters. We want to see a compelling story now.

Why not show Justin's reaction to hearing about Adrienne's engagement, come on why not? I wanted to see reactions from J & A too about their feelings about what may transpire in their lives. I don't get it when so many beats have been left out. We see everything pertaining to Hope's story, redundant conversations and flashbacks over and over again, that I need to say favoritism is rampant. I hope this is not going to be just a filler story but it probably will be.

I love Justin and Adrienne, my favorites, and want to see them become one again in a great story, this shouldn't be too much to ask for.
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Well, I've finally seen this episode.

Congrats to all the fans who called it months ago, that Chloe was carrying Daniel and Nicole's miracle baby. When I saw all the speculations, at first I thought "no way!" and then I started to believe it. I'm glad I was prepared, actually I think I had already accepted it before today. It is what it is.

The think I didn't expect is that Shawn Christian would be back on screen regularly. This sucks! Now I'm worried the show will find a way to put him back on contract, either by resurrecting Daniel or by giving him a twin/lookalike.
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The thought of Jennifer working at the newspaper again makes me happy . . . although I don't expect it to go anywhere with Higley writing.

I haven't watched in a couple of months now, nothing else is making sense to me reading the recap . . .
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