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Wednesday, November 9th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Nov 8 2016, 05:51 PM (7,781 Views)
DrewHamilton
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Sonny should be walking Adrienne down the aisle. Philip should be Lucas' best man. Or even JJ.
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concerned
Nov 9 2016, 07:12 PM
HoritaFan
Nov 9 2016, 05:24 PM
Rosebud
Nov 9 2016, 01:49 PM

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Why not? Paul still obsessed with Sonny after their little No Tell Motel Low Rent Romance from 5 or 6 years ago....makes perfect sense. LMAO
I thought Sonny had wanted to marry Paul but Paul wasn't prepared to out himself.

The relationship sounded a lot more intense than a No Tell Motel Low Rent Romance.
Sonny and Paul were together for almost two years and they were in love so much so that Sonny asked him to marry him so I think it was a lot more serious than a Low rent romance.
Edited by Nanalora, Nov 9 2016, 08:12 PM.
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DrewHamilton
Nov 9 2016, 08:08 PM
Sonny should be walking Adrienne down the aisle. Philip should be Lucas' best man. Or even JJ.
I thought the same thing :shrug:
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DrewHamilton
Nov 9 2016, 08:08 PM
Sonny should be walking Adrienne down the aisle. Philip should be Lucas' best man. Or even JJ.
I'd prefer it were Steve. Sonny is Justin's son, it's great that he supports his mother, but walking her down the aisle is too much IMO.
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Also. I liked the Hope/Marlena scene, but they really should have referenced the fact that Marlena has been in the same position as Hope before. And it was weird that Marlena referred to Justin as "your lawyer."
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Nanalora
Nov 9 2016, 08:09 PM
concerned
Nov 9 2016, 07:12 PM
HoritaFan
Nov 9 2016, 05:24 PM

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I thought Sonny had wanted to marry Paul but Paul wasn't prepared to out himself.

The relationship sounded a lot more intense than a No Tell Motel Low Rent Romance.
Sonny and Paul were together for almost two years and they were in love so much so that Sonny asked him to marry him so I think it was a lot more serious than a Low rent romance.
That tacked-on plot point was ridiculous.

1. When Sonny proposed to Will (long AFTER Paul) it was because the Supreme Court finally made the ruling and they could FINALLY marry (not true either. at that time gy marriage was only legal in a handful of states) which means...

2. When Sonny supposedly proposed to Paul, gay marriage was only legal in 3 or 4 states. WHy then would he be proposing to Paul (or any other man for that matter) when it wasn't even legal then? I mean...remember that scene?

Sonny: "I have a crazy idea..." (you know, since it's not legal or anything and you're a closet case who will only see me alone in cheap hotels)... "let's get married."
Paul: "You're right. That is crazy."

So romantic....lol

It was contrived and forced when they tried it. Didn't buy it then, not buying it now.
Edited by HoritaFan, Nov 9 2016, 08:42 PM.
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I'm over this Theresa story. But I did like Brady talking to Marlena. Anything is better than him and Maggie. And in this case he reached out to her.

I liked Marlena Hope too. It annoys me hope never cares how she is but I do like that relationship.

Outside of hope the rest of the people today wandered in and out. Adrienne was on once.

Charles Shaughnessy looks great.
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DrewHamilton
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The tune that always plays during Sonny/Paul/Derrick scenes sounds like something heard on Barney & Friends.
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I really wish they would fill up cups with actual liquid when the scene calls for it. It's very obvious the cup Hope is holding is empty, despite her sipping from it.
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Lovejm
Nov 9 2016, 08:28 PM
I'm over this Theresa story. But I did like Brady talking to Marlena. Anything is better than him and Maggie. And in this case he reached out to her.

I liked Marlena Hope too. It annoys me hope never cares how she is but I do like that relationship.

Outside of hope the rest of the people today wandered in and out. Adrienne was on once.

Charles Shaughnessy looks great.
I wonder if Brady would have had that scene with John if Drake had been taping.
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thepadange
Nov 9 2016, 08:31 PM
Lovejm
Nov 9 2016, 08:28 PM
I'm over this Theresa story. But I did like Brady talking to Marlena. Anything is better than him and Maggie. And in this case he reached out to her.

I liked Marlena Hope too. It annoys me hope never cares how she is but I do like that relationship.

Outside of hope the rest of the people today wandered in and out. Adrienne was on once.

Charles Shaughnessy looks great.
I wonder if Brady would have had that scene with John if Drake had been taping.
Yea it's hard to tell. Because Marlena would have had something else to do today then. I kind of don't think Brady would get Theresa relationship advice from John though. Even this regime had him resistant to their wedding.
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I just can't understand the point of this Theresa story. I think just killing her off would've made much more impact and better story.
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DrewHamilton
Nov 9 2016, 08:40 PM
I just can't understand the point of this Theresa story. I think just killing her off would've made much more impact and better story.
It doesn't feel like an exit story or the end of Thrady, and why I think they have a return in the works, if not with her, a recast.
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DrewHamilton
Nov 9 2016, 08:08 PM
Sonny should be walking Adrienne down the aisle. Philip should be Lucas' best man. Or even JJ.
You would think Allie would come back for her dad's wedding - I mean Lucas doesn't get married that often (unlike her mother).
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Nov 9 2016, 08:42 PM
DrewHamilton
Nov 9 2016, 08:40 PM
I just can't understand the point of this Theresa story. I think just killing her off would've made much more impact and better story.
It doesn't feel like an exit story or the end of Thrady, and why I think they have a return in the works, if not with her, a recast.
The thrady story seems so deplorable I can't even see how it would work with someone more talented and less annoying than JL in the role.
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Nov 9 2016, 08:21 PM
Nanalora
Nov 9 2016, 08:09 PM
concerned
Nov 9 2016, 07:12 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep Sonny had wanted to marry Paul but Paul wasn't prepared to out himself.

The relationship sounded a lot more intense than a No Tell Motel Low Rent Romance.
Sonny and Paul were together for almost two years and they were in love so much so that Sonny asked him to marry him so I think it was a lot more serious than a Low rent romance.
That tacked-on plot point was ridiculous.

1. When Sonny proposed to Will (long AFTER Paul) it was because the Supreme Court finally made the ruling and they could FINALLY marry (not true either. at that time gy marriage was only legal in a handful of states) which means...

2. When Sonny supposedly proposed to Paul, gay marriage was only legal in 3 or 4 states. WHy then would he be proposing to Paul (or any other man for that matter) when it wasn't even legal then? I mean...remember that scene?

Sonny: "I have a crazy idea..." (you know, since it's not legal or anything and you're a closet case who will only see me alone in cheap hotels)... "let's get married."
Paul: "You're right. That is crazy."

So romantic....lol

It was contrived and forced when they tried it. Didn't buy it then, not buying it now.
Maybe he was proposing a civil union rather than marriage.

The first civil unions in the United States were offered by the state of Vermont in 2000. The federal government does not recognize these unions, and under the U.S. Defense of Marriage Act of 1996 (DOMA), other U.S. states are not obligated to recognize them.[citation needed] By the end of 2006, Connecticut and New Jersey had also enacted civil union laws; New Hampshire followed in 2007. Furthermore, California's domestic partnership law had been expanded to the point that it became practically a civil union law, as well. The same might be said for domestic partnership in the District of Columbia, domestic partnership in Washington, and domestic partnership in Oregon.


State laws regarding same-sex unions similar to marriage in the United States1
Domestic partnerships or civil unions granting state privileges of marriage2
Same-sex unions granting limited/enumerated privileges
No same-sex unions similar to marriage
1Not recognized by the federal government. However, same-sex marriage is legal nationwide (excluding some territories and Native American tribal jurisdictions) and is recognized by the federal government. Same-sex unions similar to marriage are provided at the local level in many jurisdictions.
2Domestic partnerships in Washington are only available when at least one of the partners is 62 years of age or older.

Laws regarding same-sex partnerships similar to marriage by state, county, and local level in the United States1
Same-sex unions similar to marriage2
Domestic partnership granting limited/enumerated privileges
State grants benefits to state employees
Same-sex unions not provided
1Not recognized by the federal government. However, same-sex marriage is legal in most states and is recognized by the federal government.
2Domestic partnerships in Washington are only available when at least one of the partners is 62 years of age or older.
Jurisdictions in the U.S. that offer civil unions or domestic partnerships granting nearly all of the state-recognized rights of marriage to same-sex couples include:

Domestic partnership in California (2000 – expanded over time)
Domestic partnership in the District of Columbia (1992 law implemented, 2002 became effective – expanded over time)
Civil union in Hawaii (2012)
Civil union in Illinois (2011)
Domestic partnership in Nevada (2009)
Civil union in New Jersey (2007)
Domestic partnership in Oregon (2008)
Civil union in Rhode Island (2011)
Domestic partnership in Washington State (2007 – expanded over time)
States in the U.S. with domestic partnerships or similar status granting some of the rights of marriage include:

Designated beneficiary agreement in Colorado (2009)
Reciprocal beneficiary relationship in Hawaii (1997)
Domestic partnership in Maine (2004)
Domestic partnership in Wisconsin (2009)
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KLK
Nov 9 2016, 07:46 PM
thepadange
Nov 9 2016, 07:42 PM
KLK
Nov 9 2016, 07:38 PM
I keep hearing about Theresa/Vargas and Hope/Vargas but I don't remember watching either. :shrug:

I think I was basically done with the show around that time but was interested in Ericole and watched just their scenes or anything related to them.
There wasn't much of them. Maybe you've forgotten?
That could be?

The way some have talked about Hope/Vargas, it sounded like they shared a lot of scenes.

All I remember about Vargas was the stuff with Eric/Nicole, I thought he was basically brought on for Ericole's story to cause some angst and get Eric to face that he had feelings for Nicole that went beyond that of a friend.
Vargas had scenes with Hope when Nick & Gabi were abducted by that crazy prison escapee who had raped Nick in prison. Sonny and Will followed Nick & Gabi and Jensen to Smith Island. Vargas had been in prison at the same time as Jensen and Nick, but had been paroled. Hope asked Vargas for information on Jensen so she could rescue Nick & Gabi. Jensen shot Will in a struggle for the gun. Hope shot Jensen. Sonny helped Gabi as she went into labor and gave birth to Arianna.

Vargas had been with Nicole when she was working at St. Luke's with Father Eric, and Vargas was part of the prison outreach program they were running helping parolees find jobs after released from prison. Vargas blackmailed Nick for money to keep quiet about his time in prison. Theresa even tried to get with Nick because she thought he had money since he working for Kate. Theresa then hooked up with Vargas because he had a wad of cash (blackmail money from Nick). At the Club opening of Club TBD Vargas got into an altercation with someone and was arrested and Theresa stole his money that he had hidden in his hotel room.
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KLK
Nov 9 2016, 07:25 PM
sbc855
Nov 9 2016, 07:14 PM
KLK
Nov 9 2016, 06:17 PM
I wish Justin would forget about Adrienne and give a relationship with Eve a chance.
Am I the only weirdo that would be curious to see a chemistry test between Justin and Jennifer? I love J/A but if they won't abandon Adrienne and Lucas I want Justin to have something else going. I just was never crazy about him and KDP's Eve.
I'm open to Justin/Jennifer, I'd be open to Justin/Nicole (if Ericole isn't happening), Justin/Hope (even though I hate hope). I really did love him with Eve though.
I want Justin and Adrienne first and foremost, but since it seems that I have to suffer through Adrienne /Lucas, then yes I would be open to Justin/anyone (not hope- I never want to see that again or even tried again, Justin suffered with that crap.). I would love to see Justin/Eve again- I want to see that given a try again with better writing and focus. Justin/Jennifer- now that would be interesting to see. If handled right and respected, I could easily like that. Justin/Nicole has always been a dream of mine, but the way that Nicole
Is written right now, no thanks. Just give this man some love and fun!!
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DrewHamilton
Nov 9 2016, 08:08 PM
Sonny should be walking Adrienne down the aisle. Philip should be Lucas' best man. Or even JJ.
Sonny can't...emotionally. Like he said to mom...don't push it.
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concerned
Nov 9 2016, 09:24 PM
HoritaFan
Nov 9 2016, 08:21 PM
Nanalora
Nov 9 2016, 08:09 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep Sonny had wanted to marry Paul
That tacked-on plot point was ridiculous.

1. When Sonny proposed to Will (long AFTER Paul) it was because the Supreme Court finally made the ruling and they could FINALLY marry (not true either. at that time gy marriage was only legal in a handful of states) which means...

2. When Sonny supposedly proposed to Paul, gay marriage was only legal in 3 or 4 states. WHy then would he be proposing to Paul (or any other man for that matter) when it wasn't even legal then? I mean...remember that scene?

Sonny: "I have a crazy idea..." (you know, since it's not legal or anything and you're a closet case who will only see me alone in cheap hotels)... "let's get married."
Paul: "You're right. That is crazy."

So romantic....lol

It was contrived and forced when they tried it. Didn't buy it then, not buying it now.
Maybe he was proposing a civil union rather than marriage.

The first civil unions in the United States were offered by the state of Vermont in 2000. The federal government does not recognize these unions, and under the U.S. Defense of Marriage Act of 1996 (DOMA), other U.S. states are not obligated to recognize them.[citation needed] By the end of 2006, Connecticut and New Jersey had also enacted civil union laws; New Hampshire followed in 2007. Furthermore, California's domestic partnership law had been expanded to the point that it became practically a civil union law, as well. The same might be said for domestic partnership in the District of Columbia, domestic partnership in Washington, and domestic partnership in Oregon.


State laws regarding same-sex unions similar to marriage in the United States1
Domestic partnerships or civil unions granting state privileges of marriage2
Same-sex unions granting limited/enumerated privileges
No same-sex unions similar to marriage
1Not recognized by the federal government. However, same-sex marriage is legal nationwide (excluding some territories and Native American tribal jurisdictions) and is recognized by the federal government. Same-sex unions similar to marriage are provided at the local level in many jurisdictions.
2Domestic partnerships in Washington are only available when at least one of the partners is 62 years of age or older.

Laws regarding same-sex partnerships similar to marriage by state, county, and local level in the United States1
Same-sex unions similar to marriage2
Domestic partnership granting limited/enumerated privileges
State grants benefits to state employees
Same-sex unions not provided
1Not recognized by the federal government. However, same-sex marriage is legal in most states and is recognized by the federal government.
2Domestic partnerships in Washington are only available when at least one of the partners is 62 years of age or older.
Jurisdictions in the U.S. that offer civil unions or domestic partnerships granting nearly all of the state-recognized rights of marriage to same-sex couples include:

Domestic partnership in California (2000 – expanded over time)
Domestic partnership in the District of Columbia (1992 law implemented, 2002 became effective – expanded over time)
Civil union in Hawaii (2012)
Civil union in Illinois (2011)
Domestic partnership in Nevada (2009)
Civil union in New Jersey (2007)
Domestic partnership in Oregon (2008)
Civil union in Rhode Island (2011)
Domestic partnership in Washington State (2007 – expanded over time)
States in the U.S. with domestic partnerships or similar status granting some of the rights of marriage include:

Designated beneficiary agreement in Colorado (2009)
Reciprocal beneficiary relationship in Hawaii (1997)
Domestic partnership in Maine (2004)
Domestic partnership in Wisconsin (2009)
for more years than most of this says same sex partners have been having simple "marriage" ceremonies.

Sonny wanted to make their relationship...long term and recognized by others. Paul was too in the closet, to make that step. Sonny pushed and they broke up. For Paul, it was his career and not a lack of love, not to mention his fear that his family would never understand and be ok with him.

Frankly I think Paul came out because of Will, Sonny was always comfortable with himself. Will came out late, and didn't feel comfortable and had some family issues but everyone decided they loved him no matter what. I think Paul saw Will as brave, and decided he wanted to live his life more open.

I wished we could get more backdrop of their past relationship. We know where they met. We know that they must have to went to something like batting cages because they made comments about Sonny being better at hitting the ball. They went to comic con.. still they lack more back story.
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